NineInchNinja Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Just wondering if people have added this up. 7 commendations per bag. Chance of an item dropping is estimated at 5%, which with the possibility of getting duplicate items, is essentially negligible. Number of commendations needed for armour and relics: 635 (relics x2 = 48, belt and arms = 88, armour pieces x 5 = 335, main hand 123, offhand 41) Number of commendations needed for implants and ear piece: (36x3) 108 total for full champ set: 743 It's not perfect math, but let's remove 5% of that for the random drops. -38= 705. Divide by 7 commendations per bag = 101 bags. Assuming you're not a casual player, and can complete both dailies and both weeklies every week, you're collecting 20 bags per week. Add 5 bags from commendations, and you have 25 bags per week. So, for a fairly committed player, it will take 4 full weeks of doing dailies and weeklies to get a full champion set. I am semi casual, and spend a fair amount of my gaming time doing PvE with my guild, so I probably represent a typical casual player. If I'm lucky I get 10 dailies done and 1 weekly done each week, and maybe 3 commendation bags a week. 16 bags a week means around 6 weeks of slog to get champion gear. Why do I bring this up? I just don't think this is the best way to reward players who have gotten themselves to level 50. When you reach level 50, you should feel powerful, but in this system it will take at least 3 weeks of being slaughtered in 3 hits before you start to feel like you're on par with your opponents. Many people, especially casual players, will and do give up on PvP with this sort of mechanic. As I've mentioned in another post, in my guild of 8 people, most casual players, I am the only one left doing war zones regularly. I wrote a post on this here, describing why I'm confused and frustrated with this system, and why I don't believe tier based systems work, if you're interested. Otherwise, does anyone have ideas for a better system than this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reveillere Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 It's good, it's WAY better than before which most of us others had to go through (I have 18 duplicates, and it took me more than 4 weeks to get full champion set) + if you're not having fun doing dailys/warzones, why are you playing the game? And at last, you dont need full champion set to be good, + you forgot about centurion commendations. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruxe Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 6 weeks for the second best PvP gear in the game. Not a bad deal, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPagano Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 How about any other gear progression system in any other MMO? It's sort of irksome that a developer who i held in such high regard based on previous products is demonstrating such an acute dementia when it comes to game designs that are fun and effective. At almost every turn, they have completely igored lessons learned from all MMOs before them and have tried to reinvent the wheel as a square. It's' completely amateur. It's even more absurd to me because they spent years in development saying nothing other than "we are taking lessons learned from the industry". Just a bunch of clowns from clownville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitlz Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I did here it is, or what i got seems we are close to same thing. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=297348 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranger_LDR Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) what? Im seeing inflated battlemasters all around me.. I haven't even seen them in wz before. Gear should be obtained MUCH HARDER than it is now. On my server, fresh 50ies imperials go to ilum and farm battlemaster there (cosidering u've been doing pvp before hitting 50 it's pretty damn easy). Then it's a matter of 1-2 weeks to get decently geared. And it's not the way it should be... Battlemaster gear, every noob wears now, should be somewhere around rank 80-90. And ilum should be shut down permanently. Edited February 23, 2012 by Stranger_LDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerdoc Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Your math is so incorrect that I don't even have a strength to facepalm. The 5% drop should never be substracted from total comms number. It can be 41, it can be 67, it can be 123. And it seems to be more then 5% or I'm the luckies guy in the world as I got 4 unassembled pieces from about 10 bags. Also don't even try to QQ about gearing up speed, its quite hard to point out MMO where its faster then here. Edited February 23, 2012 by Lerdoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitlz Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Just wondering if people have added this up. 7 commendations per bag. Chance of an item dropping is estimated at 5%, which with the possibility of getting duplicate items, is essentially negligible. Number of commendations needed for armour and relics: 635 (relics x2 = 48, belt and arms = 88, armour pieces x 5 = 335, main hand 123, offhand 41) Number of commendations needed for implants and ear piece: (36x3) 108 total for full champ set: 743 It's not perfect math, but let's remove 5% of that for the random drops. -38= 705. Divide by 7 commendations per bag = 101 bags. Assuming you're not a casual player, and can complete both dailies and both weeklies every week, you're collecting 20 bags per week. Add 5 bags from commendations, and you have 25 bags per week. So, for a fairly committed player, it will take 4 full weeks of doing dailies and weeklies to get a full champion set. I am semi casual, and spend a fair amount of my gaming time doing PvE with my guild, so I probably represent a typical casual player. If I'm lucky I get 10 dailies done and 1 weekly done each week, and maybe 3 commendation bags a week. 16 bags a week means around 6 weeks of slog to get champion gear. Why do I bring this up? I just don't think this is the best way to reward players who have gotten themselves to level 50. When you reach level 50, you should feel powerful, but in this system it will take at least 3 weeks of being slaughtered in 3 hits before you start to feel like you're on par with your opponents. Many people, especially casual players, will and do give up on PvP with this sort of mechanic. As I've mentioned in another post, in my guild of 8 people, most casual players, I am the only one left doing war zones regularly. I wrote a post on this here, describing why I'm confused and frustrated with this system, and why I don't believe tier based systems work, if you're interested. Otherwise, does anyone have ideas for a better system than this? Your opinion is not very valid though, because i went from no pvp gear other than level 40 to full centurion in 4 days. A week after that i had 2 pieces of champion and i was far from getting slaughtered. 3 days of slaughtering isnt very accurate. Also to get gear that is onluy 3% below the gear of Battlemaster and get it in 4-5 weeks thats actually too fast in my opinion. I spent months getting pvp gear in other games and had no problem with it. when u hit 50 u shouldnt feel powerful you should feel squishy to the ppl who have been 50 longer than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitsuo Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 PvP up to level 50, makes it about 10x easier. I had 5 bags by level 22 just doing casual PvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirgiI Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Your math is so incorrect that I don't even have a strength to facepalm. The 5% drop should never be substracted from total comms number. It can be 41, it can be 67, it can be 123. And it seems to be more then 5% or I'm the luckies guy in the world as I got 4 unassembled pieces from about 10 bags. You are extremely lucky. I've gotten 25+ bags in a row with 0 pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crujido Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The system now is catered towards casuals. It takes a month to get relativley most of your champion with some pieces of centurian. I've leveled a new toon and 2 weeks in I have full centurian, champion chest, mainhand and leggings. God forbid you have to spend time to get better gear sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nishifumi Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 You'll have some cent gear to fill out the other spots... in 2 weeks you can have a full set of expertise gear. When I hit battlemaster rank 60 I had an orange hat an orange lightsaber and a player made earpiece. I had 2 centurian pieces too. That's very heavy gameplay. I'm valor rank 80 now and have 3 full champ companions where 2 have BM weapons. The other two are fully centurian geared. I have nothing to spend cent comms on now. The new system is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 seeing that i spent over a month prior to the change, knowing that i will be getting gear in less than a month is fine by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancelotOC Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 It's not just 6 weeks.. its six weeks for you and all 5 companions.. 36 weeks for full gear for everyone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'm in 85% Centurion gear that took me less than a 3 days to get and I can easily hold me own vs Champion/Battlemaster players. If Centurion is fine then Champion is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMKSED Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The system now is catered towards casuals. It takes a month to get relativley most of your champion with some pieces of centurian. I've leveled a new toon and 2 weeks in I have full centurian, champion chest, mainhand and leggings. God forbid you have to spend time to get better gear sir. If Cye Gwazi can do it, anyone can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellosandwich Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 PvP up to level 50, makes it about 10x easier. I had 5 bags by level 22 just doing casual PvP No you didn't. Champion bags are unique, you can only possess one before level 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lJustAlexl Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 You're forgetting the time it takes to reach Battlemaster rank and using those bags once you hit 60. If you're able to see strong combat in Ilum, that takes roughly two weeks with occasional warzone queues. After that, acquiring champion gear is effortless. My newest level 50 was there for a week before full centurion and two champion pieces. He's now valor rank 52 and has four champion pieces with another on the way today. If I didn't have other characters to play, he'd be decked out by the third week, tops. Your math is failing to consider far too many considerations. The grind for champion gear practically nonexistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalFinality Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 So, for a fairly committed player, it will take 4 full weeks of doing dailies and weeklies to get a full champion set. Having PvP'd for longer than 4 weeks prior to this and NOT having a full champion set thanks to terrible RNG - shut up, for god's sake. It's so much better now you have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitlz Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 You are extremely lucky. I've gotten 25+ bags in a row with 0 pieces. I went 22 bags with nothing then 23, 24, and 25 all had a piece. So it is what it is, however no one should QQ very much even with no drops u can be fully pvp champ geared in 5 weeks. If 5 weeks is to long to wait people should go play something they can max out in a few days if thats what makes them happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitlz Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 You'll have some cent gear to fill out the other spots... in 2 weeks you can have a full set of expertise gear. When I hit battlemaster rank 60 I had an orange hat an orange lightsaber and a player made earpiece. I had 2 centurian pieces too. That's very heavy gameplay. I'm valor rank 80 now and have 3 full champ companions where 2 have BM weapons. The other two are fully centurian geared. I have nothing to spend cent comms on now. The new system is better. 2 weeks more like 4 days, i hit 50 on thursday and by sunday i was full centurion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitlz Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 No you didn't. Champion bags are unique, you can only possess one before level 50. U can save up 1k merc and 1k warzone commendations which is = to 5 bags. and have that ready when u hit level 50. maybe thats what he was referring to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotardNosef Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'm 30+ bags without a unassembled piece since they changed it, but I did get 2 unassambled pieces in the first 5 bags I opened so I take it as the universe balancing things out. That being said, OP is completely glossing over the fact that within the first week or so you can have a full set of centurion gear and be doing just fine. If you are still having trouble in pvp with a set of cent gear you are doing something wrong. You might not be topping the leaderboards in every category, but you definitely should not be wasting a slot for your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneberry Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Hey OP, what are you doing with all those centurion commendations? You can have a full set of pvp gear in 3-4 days with the current system... Its not the best gear, but it make you a threat and keeps you from getting Rofl stomped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reveillere Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 No you didn't. Champion bags are unique, you can only possess one before level 50. n00b -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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