VoidSpectre Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Do you think they are too fast? My friends and I have been having this conversation. Like all things, sometimes I love it, and sometimes I hate it. When I have it a few of us can literally hold off a whole team. When I am fighting other players we can kill them over and over only to be shutdown by insta-side-speeder rezzers. After much thinking I have come to the conclusion that I feel they might be too fast. What do you think? Either way I feel like this is strangely an issue unmentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Philar Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I've found that most player don't even know that the side speeders are fast or that they take you to the side points. Nine times out of ten I watch people take the slow middle speeder even when we have a fast speeder available (hint, taking the fast speeder and running to middle or the other side is FASTER than taking the middle speeder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidSpectre Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 I've found that most player don't even know that the side speeders are fast or that they take you to the side points. Nine times out of ten I watch people take the slow middle speeder even when we have a fast speeder available (hint, taking the fast speeder and running to middle or the other side is FASTER than taking the middle speeder). yeah that is crazy. but how do you feel about it when people do know about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltankhsd Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think their speed can be toned down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComeAndSee Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 They're too good... they make taking those points exceptionally harder. You can kill somebody and they'll be back in under 20 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lushbits Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 /signed. Too fast. I don't really see the need for them in the first place. Maybe make the middle one faster and remove the sides ones all together? There would be more "dynamic" outcome of matches then, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingleHell Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Nah, they're not bad. Yeah, they give a defensive advantage, but I think the idea is to promote tactical team play. The fast defense spawn on the sides means the team that's down might need to stop, take a breath, think for a half second, and do something functional. It also negates some of the advantage of an offensive zerg, which is an annoying sort of thing that happens far too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComeAndSee Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 It also negates some of the advantage of an offensive zerg, which is an annoying sort of thing that happens far too often. The defensive advantage is too high at the points. If team b zergs the left then team a just has to move a few guys over (keep a few at another point) and the quantitative advantage of being able to get back in under 20s after death gives them a big advantage. It can be 8v4, but the defense still has an edge. All it takes is one person (once other 3 people at dead) to keep them delayed for a few seconds from capping before the others arrive. Zerging is stupid, but tactically moving around the map is problematic. The sides have such a big advantage that it makes trying to split forces to cap separate points simultaneously almost pointless. I hate Alderan because of these reasons. Void Star is balanced for attackers because of the stupidly long respawn times and Huttball is a 3 dimensional map where zerging can be negated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalnar Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 It just requires tactic and COORDINATION, no wonder people hate it. The map is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidSpectre Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) The defensive advantage is too high at the points. If team b zergs the left then team a just has to move a few guys over (keep a few at another point) and the quantitative advantage of being able to get back in under 20s after death gives them a big advantage. It can be 8v4, but the defense still has an edge. All it takes is one person (once other 3 people at dead) to keep them delayed for a few seconds from capping before the others arrive. Zerging is stupid, but tactically moving around the map is problematic. The sides have such a big advantage that it makes trying to split forces to cap separate points simultaneously almost pointless. I hate Alderan because of these reasons. Void Star is balanced for attackers because of the stupidly long respawn times and Huttball is a 3 dimensional map where zerging can be negated. Yeah I feel like many games become a who-capped-the-side-first kind of game. especially if each side has tanks and heals. by the time any tank or healer dies they can be easily back before the caps... regardless of the actual outcome of the fight it's not like I don't want it to be fair. but the initial capper winning is all i normally see Edited February 3, 2012 by VoidSpectre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazzuk Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Seriously, this is a purely L2P issue, They are fine as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidSpectre Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 Seriously, this is a purely L2P issue, They are fine as is. explain? lest you are trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidSpectre Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'm not sure if it's good or bad... but capping first is feeling like a victory takes the strategy out of it. Taking 4-6 to take down 2-3 because they have side speeders feels insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardya Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'm not sure if it's good or bad... but capping first is feeling like a victory takes the strategy out of it. Taking 4-6 to take down 2-3 because they have side speeders feels insane The game is designed that each side has an advantage for a side turret. It's closer. Get that turret and the fight should be over middle. Every variation is strategy and counter strategy. GET YOUR SIDE TURRET OR ELSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComeAndSee Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) it's not like I don't want it to be fair. but the initial capper winning is all i normally see The closest comparison to this map is Arathi Basin from WoW, but AB was more about positioning. You had five points and needed to control three points. Whatever three points completely changed how you rotated between points and it was far easier to lose points because of distance. You also spawned on different parts of the map. The map was balanced with defenders having 30s respawn times. Civil War is more or less dying and asking -- okay, which bike do I take? Oh, okay I'll take the left one cause they need help. It's a dumbed down version of AB and is more like whack a mole. Edited February 3, 2012 by ComeAndSee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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