Labradoraki Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Operatives have been nerfed completely, the concealment spec is too weak... You can barely kill clothies and automatically lose vs heavy armored opponents... You are weak an others know it so since you are melee you are one of the first targets for noob tracer spam Edited February 4, 2012 by Ellvaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vimm Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I disagree, the class is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gvts Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 your crazy these guys are still almost one shotting me and im in almost full pvp/comumi gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defang Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 A petition on a game forum is absolutely stupid. I'm sorry that you feel operatives are worthless now or something like that, but the reality is that killing a geared 50 in 3 attacks because you used adrenals and trinkets is not balanced. Bioware obviously had lots of data that we don't have access to, when they made these changes. It's not like us where we can only see from the perspective of 1 to 2 classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitescorpion Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is a L2P issue... cuz i had an operative stun me and kill me in my champ/bm sorc with 16k hp... Not much u can do when stunned and then hit 4 times for 4k+ each and dead.... So ops are pretty good still! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakks Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 My scoundrel was 39 when the nerf hit, so I didn't even have flechette yet -- got it after, feels fine. I can still wreck people one on one. I can only imagine how mindlessly easy it was prior to the nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labradoraki Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 A petition on a game forum is absolutely stupid. I'm sorry that you feel operatives are worthless now or something like that, but the reality is that killing a geared 50 in 3 attacks because you used adrenals and trinkets is not balanced. Bioware obviously had lots of data that we don't have access to, when they made these changes. It's not like us where we can only see from the perspective of 1 to 2 classes. And what happens when you dont use those... your absolutely worthless... Balance should be about a class and not CLASS+PROFESSION!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betraymodex Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This class is strong enough, certainly does not need a buff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gvts Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 And what happens when you dont use those... your absolutely worthless... Balance should be about a class and not CLASS+PROFESSION!!! what happens? ... you be a noob lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestunhi Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 And what happens when you dont use those... your absolutely worthless... Balance should be about a class and not CLASS+PROFESSION!!! "trinkets" I assume to be relics - available to all. Adrenals are also available to all and the latest dev post(s) on the PTR forum discuss nerfing the effect biochem has on pvp (as well as making other trade skills more useful). Either way, anything but the top tier adrenals are also available regardless of your crafting skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gvts Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 hell i say they need another freaking nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangerascal Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 My scoundrel says ... yes please. My Sage says no ... decisions, decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallywaffles Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 And what happens when you dont use those... your absolutely worthless... Balance should be about a class and not CLASS+PROFESSION!!! What he said has nothing to do with professions. Trinkets are useable by anyone, and some of the best adrenals for PvP are the warzone adrenals (+15% damage/damage reduction/healing). I feel that operatives are fine, sure it's easy to get ganked by a group if you come out in the wrong spot, but if you stealth behind and know what you're doing you should be killing most classes 1v1. I know I've been killed by an Operative post-patch, and I've also killed one. That's the way it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VertisReaper Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 tbh i think they need more nerfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorwinOfAmber Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The only petition i would sign is renaming OPs to Undercower Provocateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamboodel Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 what kind of drugs are you taking ? I need some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il-jumper Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 please lets trade your operative with my sniper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikihiro Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 post nerf Smuggler out of stealth dps without opener is higher than shadow's infiltration spec 2/31/8 http://ru.justin.tv/computerlame/b/307206920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cempa Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Concealment today is powerful and one of the best, if not THE best melee PvP build in the game. It may not be for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepy Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) OPS does not require damage Buff... But yes a utility Buffs, do not know if anyone noticed but the OPS/Scoun are the ONLY classes in the game without any kind of "knockback" or a ability to enter in "close range" with your target... I never understood all the QQ of Sorcs to the OPS, if we only play Huttball and is NEAR imposible to kill someone in Huttball as a OPS, Everyone knockback you from the plataforms and you need to run around like a retard everytime, even the Snipers/GS have a knockback... And is not only that we are the ONLY class of the 16° ones who does not have ANY MOVILITY ability, No spring, Jumps, Push or anything and people still QQ... Edited February 2, 2012 by Paralassa insults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McHenry Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 My first level 50 was a scoundrel / scrapper and he was beyond OP. Almost guaranteed to win in one on one fights. I've been playing a trooper and loving that, but it sounds like they just took away the smug /op win button. My impressions on reading the patch notes was that smugs and ops can't go lone wolf in warzones anymore, but actually need to use team work to take down opponents... Just like everybody else. I believe the phrase is "working as intended." Besides, I think we all know these things are always in flux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestunhi Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) OPS does not require damage Buff... But yes a utility Buffs, do not know if anyone noticed but the OPS/Scoun are the ONLY classes in the game without any kind of "knockback" or a ability to enter in "close range" with your target... I never understood all the QQ of Sorcs to the OPS, if we only play Huttball and is NEAR imposible to kill someone in Huttball as a OPS, Everyone knockback you from the plataforms and you need to run around like a retard everytime, even the Snipers/GS have a knockback... And is not only that we are the ONLY class of the 16° ones who does not have ANY MOVILITY ability, No spring, Jumps, Push or anything and people still QQ... Doesn't stealth give you the ability to enter into close range? Edited February 2, 2012 by Paralassa insults quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmeseReb Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 please lets trade your operative with my sniper? I would do it in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfatherxx Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Disagree. OP need to L2P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Operatives have been nerfed completely, the concealment spec is too weak... You can barely kill clothies and automatically lose vs heavy armored opponents... You are weak an others know it so since you are melee you are one of the first targets for noob tracer spam L2P, Ops/Smugglers are fine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=undHHGrk7p4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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