Let's talk user reviews and metacritic

[JediMasterRyanW]

All right, I went back and averaged all the ratings. Simple formula: sum(average score*number of reviews on site)/(total number of reviewers). I compensated for reviews out of 5 by multiplying them by two.

 

We get a total of 50959 points/6426 reviewers, or a score of 7.93/10.

 

To reiterate that, that's a score of

 

7.9/10, as rated by 6400 reviewers on 17 different sites.

 

I don't think an average of player reviews is the end-all be-all, but if we're going to argue about it we should at least work with the most realistic/unbiased numbers possible.

 

If somebody wants to check my math, feel free.

Edited February 2, 2012 by JediMasterRyanW

[noctivagus]

I ignore Rotten Tomatoes when I pick which movie to see.

[Kungrah]

cataclysm has better gameplay, story and end-game than swtor

 

/thread

 

fify.

[Hobnobb]

Talk with numbers instead of empty words.

[Hobnobb]

IMDB - 260 ratings - 9.3/10

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1320395/

[Hobnobb]

My calculation of an average score:

 

(27*9.1 + 2375*8.6+126*9.2+303*7.78+121*8.8+139*8.2+23*10+224*8.2+44*8+103*8.6+135*10+186*8+265*10+20*8.8+476*8.1+369*8+260*9.3) / (27+2375+126+303+121+139+23+224+44+103+135+186+265+20+476+369+260)

 

 

245.7 + 20425 + 1159.2 + 2357.34 + 1064.8 + 1139.8 + 230 + 1836.8 + 352 + 885.8 + 1488 + 2650 + 176 + 3855.6 + 2952 + 2418 / 5196

 

43236.04 / 5196 = 8.32

 

8.32 out of 10 based on 5196 user ratings

 

Someone please confirm my calculations.

Edited February 2, 2012 by Hobnobb

[Hobnobb]

Bump to first page for some help.

[Hobnobb]

Bump to first page.

[Hobnobb]

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/star-wars-the-old-republic/10449

 

User score here is even higher than the average of my calculations above.

[Scritty]

*edit 14*

 

My calculation of an average score based on the links below and excluding metacritic:

 

(27*9.1 + 2375*8.6+126*9.2+303*7.78+121*8.8+139*8.2+23*10+22 4*8.2+44*8+103*8.6+135*10+186*8+265*10+20*8.8+476* 8.1+369*8+260*9.3) / (27+2375+126+303+121+139+23+224+44+103+135+186+265 +20+476+369+260)

 

 

245.7 + 20425 + 1159.2 + 2357.34 + 1064.8 + 1139.8 + 230 + 1836.8 + 352 + 885.8 + 1488 + 2650 + 176 + 3855.6 + 2952 + 2418 / 4926

 

 

43236.04 / 5196 = 8.32

 

8.32 out of 10 based on 5196 user ratings

 

Someone please confirm my calculations.

 

 

 

*edit 12* (Thanks to JediMasterRyanW!!!)

 

We get a total of 50959 points/6426 reviewers, or a score of 7.93/10.

 

To reiterate that, that's a score of

 

7.9/10, as rated by 6400 reviewers on 17 different sites.

 

 

Original post follows:

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I see a few threads about user reviews, citing Metacritic as a source that users think SWTOR is a bad game.

 

Let's look at some other user reviews to see if metacritic is full of trolls or not ...

 

User Scores

 

IGN - 27 ratings - 9.1/10

http://pc.ign.com/objects/816/816935.html

 

Game Spot - 2375 ratings - 8.6/10

http://www.gamespot.com/star-wars-the-old-republic/platform/pc/

 

G4TV - 126 ratings - 4.6/5

http://www.g4tv.com/games/pc/61502/star-wars-the-old-republic/review/

 

MMO Reviews - 303 ratings - 3.89/5

http://www.mmoreviews.com/star-wars-the-old-republic/

 

Amazon - 121 ratings - 4.4/5

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Republic-Collectors-Bundle-Pc/product-reviews/B005B8DRVU

 

Let us conclude that metacritic is full of trolls, and that anyone trying to troll using that source in the future should be ridiculed.

 

*edit 1*

Best Buy - 139 ratings - 4.1

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/3039...ews.htm?page=3

 

*edit 2*

Play.com - 23 ratings - 5/5 in average

http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/21619247/-/Product.html

 

*edit 3*

Game Stop - 224 ratings - 8.2

http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/star-wars-the-old-republic-online/88761

 

*edit 4*

Prisjakt.nu (Swedish site) - 44 ratings - 8/10

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?rec=416795

 

*edit 5*

Amazon UK - 103 ratings - 4.3/5

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Kn.../dp/B0000NSZMM

 

*edit 6*

Webhallen.se (Another swedish site) - 135 ratings - 5/5

http://www.webhallen.com/spel/pc/949...e_old_republic

 

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Gamestation.co.uk - 186 ratings - 4/5

http://www.gamestation.co.uk/gs/star...earchTerm=Star Wars: The Old Republic

 

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DVD.co.uk - 265 ratings - 5/5

http://www.dvd.co.uk/buy/catswtorpc/star-wars-the-old-republic-pc.htm

 

*edit 9*

Shopping.com - 20 ratings - 4.4/5

http://www.shopping.com/LucasArts-Star-Wars-Knights-of-the-Old-Republic/info?sb=1

 

*edit 10*

MMOrpg.com - 476 ratings - 8.1/10

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/view/ratings

 

*edit 11* (Thanks ryathal!)

GameFAQ - 369 ratings - 8/10

http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/951199-star-wars-the-old-republic

 

*edit 13*

IMDB - 260 ratings - 9.3/10

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1320395/

 

The only metric that matters to Bio is "How many players are paying for this game"

Perhaps seasoned with the question "Is that figure increasing or decreasing"

 

Metacritic is a de facto industry standard measure. Steam use it, EA use it, Square Enix use it, EVERYONE uses it.

If you've found a fault in it, then best you tell them.

 

OF course we could ask the question "Why aren't you playing...like NOW rather than spending what appears to be alarge amounts of time trying to impress the unimpressable and convert the unconvertable?"

 

By expressing the percieved shortcomings of the game many of us hope to be agents of change...for the better.

 

What are you hoping to be?

Edited February 2, 2012 by Scritty

[Hobnobb]

It took a very small amount of time, and it was not time I could use playing the game.

 

Bump to first page to fight all the empty words.

[Hobnobb]

Be an agent of change by providing actual empirical evidence of what people think instead of just stating things without any backup!

[Kaverf]

While I agree with the overall score of the game, it's important to still keep in mind the things left undone, or things that should not have happened in the first place. Number one being using an engine that was unfinished and bugged heavily to begin with, admitted by the creators of Hero Engine themselves. Because, lets face it. For the most part, the performance is not up there with what a modern game should be like. ( I'm still wondering what "High, Medium, Low" mean in the AA setting as well. :S )

 

The game is good, with a lot of room for improvement IMO. Not great, certainly far from horrible with no redeeming factors what-so-ever. Just good with room for improvement.

[Hobnobb]

There is always room for improvement. I agree completely with that.

[Hobnobb]

Bump to first page. Feel free to post additional user ratings!

[rafter]

 

Metacritic is a de facto industry standard measure. Steam use it, EA use it, Square Enix use it, EVERYONE uses it.

If you've found a fault in it, then best you tell them.

 

OF course we could ask the question "Why aren't you playing...like NOW rather than spending what appears to be alarge amounts of time trying to impress the unimpressable and convert the unconvertable?"

 

By expressing the percieved shortcomings of the game many of us hope to be agents of change...for the better.

 

What are you hoping to be?

 

Metacritic user ratings are NOT used by Steam, EA, Square Enix or any other place, so you're just flat out wrong. Best you learn what you speak of before lecturing the rest of us.

 

If ToR were on Steam right now the rating next to it would be an 85, the critic review score, which is what all of those other sites use. The 5.9 comes from the idiot user reviews which is what the haters want to claim is accurate.

 

As for why we aren't playing, maybe because we don't play 24 hours a day every day of the week? Or maybe we are posting from work? Or maybe we are just reading the forums.

 

What, only haters get to post on the forums?

[Nighthawked]

Can somebody please explain to me how anybody can take that site seriously while the all mighty WoW has 5.1? Or if you look at all the expansions, the highest one is a 7, which is TBC.

 

So, take the fact that the BEST rating on Metacritic for WoW was for The Burning Crusade at 7 and SWTOR at a 5.9, I would say the game is VERY GOOD.

[notebene]

120 hours?

[Drebs]

7.9/10

 

This seems exactly right to me. B+, not quite an A.

 

It's a very good game that falls just short of excellence. It's almost frustrating seeing so much potential tempered with mediocrity, but let's how it improves.

Edited February 2, 2012 by Drebs

[JediMasterRyanW]

7.9/10

 

This seems exactly right to me. B+, not quite an A.

 

It's a very good game that falls just short of excellence. It's almost frustrating seeing so much potential tempered with mediocrity, but let's how it improves.

 

This. Although just about everything about the game that I dislike (or wish were there) can either be fixed or added in the future. I'm happy with where we're going.

 

Also, thanks to the OP for posting my calculations. I do feel that the 7.9 score is a better metric to use because it doesn't ignore anybody's reviews, but if you want to say that everybody other than Metacritic gave it an 8.32, that's fine. Just make sure you don't cherrypick which sites to average and become as bad as the trolls we're trying to fight.

[Hobnobb]

Did you even look at the first page?

 

I have made new calculations that I think are more correct.

[Hobnobb]

REPOST

 

*edit 14*

 

My calculation of an average score based on the links below and excluding metacritic:

 

(27*9.1 + 2375*8.6+126*9.2+303*7.78+121*8.8+139*8.2+23*10+22 4*8.2+44*8+103*8.6+135*10+186*8+265*10+20*8.8+476* 8.1+369*8+260*9.3) / (27+2375+126+303+121+139+23+224+44+103+135+186+265 +20+476+369+260)

 

 

245.7 + 20425 + 1159.2 + 2357.34 + 1064.8 + 1139.8 + 230 + 1836.8 + 352 + 885.8 + 1488 + 2650 + 176 + 3855.6 + 2952 + 2418 / 5196

 

43236.04 / 5196 = 8.32

 

8.32 out of 10 based on 5196 user ratings

 

Someone please confirm my calculations.

[Nicholes]

DVD.co.uk - 265 ratings - 5/5

http://www.dvd.co.uk/buy/catswtorpc/star-wars-the-old-republic-pc.htm

 

Gamestation.co.uk - 186 ratings - 4/5

http://www.gamestation.co.uk/gs/star-wars-the-old-republic-142983?pageSize=21&searchTerm=Star Wars: The Old Republic

 

Wait hold on, I didn't read past these quotes on the thread, but are you getting that 265 rating from the sellers rating? You do realize that's the sellers rating, not the game. It doesn't even list the games rating on that site. (DVD.co.uk)

 

Also you say Metacritic (I'm not a fan of it) can't be trusted, but I can trust Gamestation user rating when I didn't even need to be a member to rate it? All I had to do was click any star and it rated it and added me to the total... seems more easy to manipulate than MC. Hell BW could have easily 100 people go there and click a little blue star.

 

Now I need to check all of your other "user ratings" to see what interesting info I find.

Edited February 3, 2012 by Nicholes

[Sildrin]

And just to show that anyone can show anything they want to prove their point:

 

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-the-old-republic/user-reviews

 

This more fits into how I feel about the game. "MEH"

[Dyraele]

Wel, the critics review on Metacritic (55 critics) gave it an 85 average. That is pretty decent. It's the user reviews that you have to watch out for since they can give it a 1 because they do not like the graphics style or whatever reason they want.