Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Can we get some more ways to earn social points please? I really don't see why grinding group PvE quests is the ONLY way to earn some of that cool looking gear. How about a way to get social points through real "social" interaction rather than just talking to NPCs? On a side note.... Why do I need social III to use outfits I buy with space coms? The two types of game play have nothing to do with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) On a side note.... Why do I need social III to use outfits I buy with space coms? The two types of game play have nothing to do with each other. Edited January 22, 2012 by Spymaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kheld Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Yes I agree. Ive run a lot of FPs since Day 1 of early access & im nowhere near social rank 1 yet (gametime split over various characters). My friend who adventures with his misses is at Social Rank II already. Its gonna take me months if not years to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcalusine Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Its not the only way. You just dont like the other way. Which is to group and participate in dialogs with others. Flashpoint grinding IS a pain. Grouping and leveling the game with others is fun. If you choose not to play the game in groups (dare i say, socially) then well I suppose "grinding" boring stuff over and over is all you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcalusine Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Yes I agree. Ive run a lot of FPs since Day 1 of early access & im nowhere near social rank 1 yet (gametime split over various characters). My friend who adventures with his misses is at Social Rank II already. Its gonna take me months if not years to get there. one toon Im social 4 at lv 37 playing with 1 other at all times another toon im social 4 at lv 29 playing with 2 others at all times This is not a "it works for me so your wrong" post I just want to say that when you do what the game wants you to do to get social points, they come easily and fast. With no "grinding" whatsoever. If you truly have no friends or just hate grouping.. well then I personally don't believe you deserve "social" points Edited January 22, 2012 by tcalusine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Its not the only way. You just dont like the other way. Which is to group and participate in dialogs with others. Flashpoint grinding IS a pain. Grouping and leveling the game with others is fun. That's not two different ways. It's the same thing. Some people like group based PvE, some don't. If you choose not to play the game in groups (dare i say, socially) then well I suppose "grinding" boring stuff over and over is all you got. What I'm asking for is an actual "social" way to earn these points, so what you're saying here doesn't really make sense. These points are about forcing people to do group based PvE... which has very little if anything to do with being social. Edited January 22, 2012 by Spymaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodaOfYoda Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 They need to scrap the social system altogether. Until that time, I'll wait for them to allow transfers and open up a few new accounts to box my own group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipMalice Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Im social 4 at lv 37 playing with 1 other at all times im social 4 at lv 29 playing with 2 others at all times This is not a "it works for me so your wrong" post I just want to say that when you do what the game wants you to do to get social points, they come easily and fast. With no "grinding" whatsoever. Except this is wrong. I leveled up fast because I wanted to hit 50 fast. I was going to do the Social stuff after 50. Except here is the kicker. All level 50 content has been bugged since pre-release and you can't get any social or dark/light points. So basically if you have done all the quests already you are SOL until BW decides to get off their butt and fix this. Sitting at 97 social points total doing almost every Hard Mode daily for the last 2 weeks. Pretty fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 I just want to say that when you do what the game wants you to do to get social points, they come easily and fast. With no "grinding" whatsoever. Games that make you play the way "it wants you to play" instead of the way you enjoy playing is the type of game people end up quitting after the first month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syylara Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 The problem here is that being in a group doing PvE content does not necessarily mean you are socializing. At the same time, there are ways to socialize that don't involve being grouped together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 If you truly have no friends or just hate grouping.. well then I personally don't believe you deserve "social" points You seem to have made the same odd mistake the Devs have made, in which you confuse group based PvE with being "social". Honestly, that's just kind of sad. PvE doesn't = being social. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcalusine Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 That's not two different ways. It's the same thing. What I'm asking for is an actual "social" way to earn these points, so what you're saying here doesn't really make sense. These points are about forcing people to do group based PvE... which has very little if anything to do with being social. here we go again.... They are two diff things... one is playing through the pve, just like you would but with others.. Dont have to do same quest twice EVER. just play the game and earn points along the way without grinding. the other is doing the same flashpoint over and over and over till you get upset and write a thread like this. Honest Question please answer: If they were called group conversation points would you still be upset? because right now you feel you are being social. Maybe you are, who am i to say. But you are not meeting the requirements of the game to give points. simple as that. no matter what they are called. they want you to participate in group dialogs.. you do - points you dont - no points I dont expect to get anything without working at it. I may hate pvp but i dont expect to get valor unless i do wat the game wants me to do to get it. also i made a thread in suggestions that i think can help relieve this a little. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=218136 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Its not the only way. You just dont like the other way. Which is to group and participate in dialogs with others. Flashpoint grinding IS a pain. Grouping and leveling the game with others is fun. If you choose not to play the game in groups (dare i say, socially) then well I suppose "grinding" boring stuff over and over is all you got. Doesn't mean the way to get social points doesn't need work. A lot of the flashpoints have very little dialogue cut-scenes, not nearly as much as you have in Esseles and Black Talon, for example. A lot of the heroics don't even have much dialogue options where you can earn social points. So even if you run flashpoints and heroics, you don't get THAT many social points after the lower level stuff. Also, because the return contact for a heroic is often on the other end of the zone or even in another zone, I end up having a lot of people quit the group after we're done fighting but before we turn in the quest so I end up having to turn the quest in by myself and can't get any social points for the final convos. So just because people run flashpoints and group up for heroics and other content, doesn't mean they'll be swimming in social points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetooman Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 That's not two different ways. It's the same thing. Some people like group based PvE, some don't. What I'm asking for is an actual "social" way to earn these points, so what you're saying here doesn't really make sense. These points are about forcing people to do group based PvE... which has very little if anything to do with being social. I don't understand what you want. What is an "actual social way to earn points"? The game defines "social" as grouping with other players. Please provide examples of what besides grouping should earn you social points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notebene Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 This is a pet peeve of mine as well. 'Mostly' because when I hit BT, I assumed the whole system was a clever 'hook' to get you to flashpoint more. Much like Wintergrasp hooked me into PvP and Darkness Falls hooked me into RvR. After BT? Wonk wonk wonk wonnnnnk. Now, granted, I've only seen 4 of the flashpoints since then, but I think they each, 'maybe' have one chance for social points 'inside' them. Other than that, you either have to ask everyone to abandon the quest and pick it up again 'together', and/or convince them to stick around after the flashpoint during the turn in before the quick 'k thx bye', or you get nothing...and like it. My idea is to spruce up the Flashpoints with more conversations. And I'm sure that'd make Timmy McGoNowHatzorsConvoBad angry, but he can just hit 'space'...and if everyone has seen it, 'everyone' can hit space to get to the choices, which everyone will do at some point, no harm, no foul. But the conversations can be like the computer thing in HS, where's it's just a bracketed description. [Everyone argues about how best to proceed] (choices w/ your stock voices...there's plenty...and it's not like they already don't re-use those over and over and over again in the quests, and they don't already not match up to 'exactly' what you are saying, and we realize this, and have accepted it...so we're all good to go) [Jimmy McNugget says it doesn't concern him...and you argue some more. Tina throws a chair at Mitch] (a. You think a lot of yourself don't you.) (b. This doesn't concern me.) (c. etc) The tools are there, just sneak in some more of those little cutscenes, add some flair to the story, why we're there, why there's a big ol' asteroid being flung at planets. Heck, put an NPC out on the thing the first time you come across it with a dark/light choice to let it plow over the guy and carry him out into space! They can be initiated with recorders on the ground, computers, other objects, dead bodies, or trip wires. There. Mo' flashpoints; mo' social points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcalusine Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 PvE doesn't = being social. everybody likes to think im starting a flame war or something but I am simply trying to state the facts... I dont care if its called "social points" or "group dialog points" or "bioware troll you points" its just a title what matters is the requirement and the requirements are participating in group dialogs. Fact / not arguable Bioware put these points in not just to get to talk to each other. That happens naturally. They point these points in place to get people to play through the story and leveling experiance (which is considered the bread and butter of this game) with others in groups. It is an incentive to play the game in groups. No trolling... what is not to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) here we go again.... They are two diff things... one is playing through the pve, just like you would but with others.. Dont have to do same quest twice EVER. just play the game and earn points along the way without grinding. the other is doing the same flashpoint over and over and over till you get upset and write a thread like this. Sorry, but to me it's exactly the same thing. I consider group based PvE for points to be a grind, whether it's flashpoints of not doesn't change that. Honest Question please answer: If they were called group conversation points would you still be upset? Yes, but at least it wouldn't be as hypocritical. because right now you feel you are being social. Maybe you are, who am i to say. But you are not meeting the requirements of the game to give points. simple as that. no matter what they are called. Thus: this thread. I dont expect to get anything without working at it. I may hate pvp but i dont expect to get valor unless i do wat the game wants me to do to get it. I don't expect to get anything without working at it either, but I expect the game to allow me to put work in such a way that I enjoy playing. Again... Thus: This thread. Your PvP analogy is bad because if you don't PvP you have no need for valor at all. It'a a purely PvP stat. Social gear can be used and enjoyed by anyone no matter how they play the game, and so they should have more than one way to earn it. also i made a thread in suggestions that i think can help relieve this a little. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=218136 Don't see the connection really. Edited January 22, 2012 by Spymaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notebene Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I don't understand what you want. What is an "actual social way to earn points"? The game defines "social" as grouping with other players. Please provide examples of what besides grouping should earn you social points. In my opinion, the cart is ahead of the horse. If you introduced social points in, say, EQ or even early LotRO when 'most' of the great quest lines ended with group content. If there were social points to be earned in LotRO back then, it'd be kinda cool. Now days, questing is largely a solo process. Something you do to level your character up, to get into different PvP war fronts and to advance to dungeons. You expect group content in dungeons and PvP. Questing? Honestly? I gave up on that a 'long' time ago. At the 'most', I maybe have a character that I play exclusively with a friend, but my main? I'm not going to sit around and keep LFG in chat to do quests. I'd be sitting there all day. And typing that without a response in chat for hours doesn't make me social. Demented and sad, but 'not' social'. Now...Heriocs? You bet! That is content that is specifically designed for more people. Do I do it that much? No. Would I do it if there were 7-10 opportunities 'per daily heroic quest' to get social points for losing each roll, and double for winning? Yes, yes I would. But the ones I've seen, here again, have 'no' opportunity within the quest. Again, we're back to talking everyone into dropping it for 'maybe' 1-2 rolls to start, and 'maybe' a roll on turn-in. Woo-(choose your favorite explitive)-hoo! I LOVE the system! I wish they'd use it properly. In my opinion, and yes, it's my opinion, I'm not going to stand here and defend it as truth, there are more opportunities to get it grouping for solo content, but not enough for content that is 'clearly' social content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 I don't understand what you want. What is an "actual social way to earn points"? The game defines "social" as grouping with other players. Please provide examples of what besides grouping should earn you social points. Social interaction. Player run events, cantina mini games, visiting other player's in their ships, helping players with questions they might have etc. etc. Anything would be better that PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcalusine Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Bioware never inteded you to grind Flashpoints to get social points. At least not as the PRIMARY way to get them. Sure they there but its not the most efficient way of getting them. Most people who play flashpoints arent interested as much in tons of dialog anyways. And putting more dialog in (repeatable) flashpoints that people skip after the first time anyways would be a move in the wrong direction. It wouldn't make people group any more then before. And getting people to group and experience STORY together is the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) its just a title what matters is the requirement and the requirements are participating in group dialogs. Fact / not arguable You're missing the point. The title of the points is what makes it dishonest and hypocritical, but forcing people to do group PvE for what is actually role play gear, is bad regardless. No trolling... what is not to get? It's not that I don't "get it".... I do. I just think it's stupid for the game to try and make people play a certain way if they don't enjoy playing that way, especially through restricting Role Play gear to PvE players. Edited January 22, 2012 by Spymaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormey Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 On a side note.... Why do I need social III to use outfits I buy with space coms? The two types of game play have nothing to do with each other. This is my biggest issue with social. Do PvPers require social tiers to buy their commendation gear? Apparently grinding a large amount of space missions for the fleet commendations isn't enough for Bioware. In regard to the lack of points i've gotten over my 8 toons, i'd actually like to see the legacy system grant you the ability to combine your social points across all toons. Some of my toons i group a lot but most i don't group at all, and whenever i do group it gets put together after the first convo and disbanded before the last one so even with flashpoints i get none. In the end it seems less of a 'social' system and more of a 'ingame conversation' system. I talk to friends and socialise with others plenty ingame, but i don't get a single point for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spymaster Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Bioware never inteded..... I really don't care what they intended or what they want me to do. They (and you) need to wake up and realize that trying to make people do things they'd rather not do in the game is not going to keep people playing, but drive them away instead. How many flop MMOs have to come and go before people get this? Edited January 22, 2012 by Spymaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evray Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 one toon Im social 4 at lv 37 playing with 1 other at all times another toon im social 4 at lv 29 playing with 2 others at all times This is not a "it works for me so your wrong" post I just want to say that when you do what the game wants you to do to get social points, they come easily and fast. With no "grinding" whatsoever. If you truly have no friends or just hate grouping.. well then I personally don't believe you deserve "social" points I'm level 50 and have completed every flash point multiple times, as well as hard modes and heroic quests as well. I am only Social II. Your full of bantha fodder, there is no way you have a 29 and a 37 with Social 4 unless you were grinding flashpoints and group quests for the points the second you hit level 10. Don't make up B.S numbers to support your side when you are just making stuff up, it destroys competent conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thargrim Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Yep, the whole social points system is one big pain in the butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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