Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Wait, you can say how others should play but complain when others are saying how you should play? Seriously? Same goes to you it seems. I want a dual spec. You don't need to learn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Then ask for them... of course, you're not actually talking about an analogous situation to dual spec. So, tired of strawmanning people, and now you're going for an argument by gibberish fallacy, eh? I know that it sometimes is discomforting to see what your arguments actually are. You want to change the game to be how you want it to play and scoff when the same ability is asked for but just happens to be about something you personally don't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Wait, you can say how others should play but complain when others are saying how you should play? Seriously? yeah you cant be taken seriously i read everything you said so far it added up to be nothing relevant to the matter you are making up more arguments on top of more if dual spec doesnt hurt you why are you here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Where did he tell you how you should play? You said my wants were no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolil Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Same goes to you it seems. I want a dual spec. You don't need to learn it. Don't waste your time. As soon as you make the point that a properly implemented duel spec system would have no impact on someone who doesn't want it, his argument falls flat and he moves on to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I guess my points and comments were too sensible and hit too close to the mark, because now you've left all realm of reasonable discussion behind. The people arguing for Dual Spec actually want to play the game, in groups, with their friends, on their characters. Why is it you have a problem with that? People should play with whomever they want. The lack of dual-spec doesn't not prevent this. But that was a pretty weak straw-man, in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 So what if all the DPSers suddenly decide they want to have a shot at healing? Who are you to say they can't? Duel specs lead to 1. People that you expect to know their role having the chance to not no one thing about how to do their role. (that guy has heroic raid gear lets get him because he has to know what hes doing, even though he got it as DPS and never healed before in his life) 2. It makes it harder for you to find people at your skill level that would help your group succeed. 3. It just adds thread of like people need to L2P. I got a healing in my flashpoint earlier today that had no clue what he was doing and the group ended up breaking up because of that, so I wasted 30 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 yeah you cant be taken seriously i read everything you said so far it added up to be nothing relevant to the matter you are making up more arguments on top of more if dual spec doesnt hurt you why are you here? Oh oops... Have we a nice definition of someone who want the attention? He still ignore my ratio argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 You said my wants were no good. actually i told you how much of the game would be altered if you can have ability to get gear with out trying or hit instant 50 sounds like you want to play a private server or something. dual spec hardly even changes the game but once again dual spec doesnt do anything to YOU why are you here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Don't waste your time. As soon as you make the point that a properly implemented duel spec system would have no impact on someone who doesn't want it, his argument falls flat and he moves on to something else. Not really. It's not even an effective point. That you keep regurgitating it over and over doesn't make it more valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Duel specs lead to 1. People that you expect to know their role having the chance to not no one thing about how to do their role. (that guy has heroic raid gear lets get him because he has to know what hes doing, even though he got it as DPS and never healed before in his life) 2. It makes it harder for you to find people at your skill level that would help your group succeed. 3. It just adds thread of like people need to L2P. I got a healing in my flashpoint earlier today that had no clue what he was doing and the group ended up breaking up because of that, so I wasted 30 mins. Still you need 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps in a flashpoint. You need 1 tank, 2 healers, 5 dps in a 8 man. So in other word one tank need to respec. That mean he won't know his offspec as well as main one. Same for the dual spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Not really. It's not even an effective point. That you keep regurgitating it over and over doesn't make it more valid. What about the ratio? Edited February 5, 2012 by Guzul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 actually i told you how much of the game would be altered if you can have ability to get gear with out trying or hit instant 50 sounds like you want to play a private server or something. dual spec hardly even changes the game but once again dual spec doesnt do anything to YOU why are you here? Allowing someone to skip levels or get automaticaly doesn't hurt you either. Why are you complaining about it? Heck, allowing Advance Class changes would hurt you but here you are, in a thread, that all about denying that option to folks. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolil Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Duel specs lead to 1. People that you expect to know their role having the chance to not no one thing about how to do their role. (that guy has heroic raid gear lets get him because he has to know what hes doing, even though he got it as DPS and never healed before in his life) 2. It makes it harder for you to find people at your skill level that would help your group succeed. 3. It just adds thread of like people need to L2P. I got a healing in my flashpoint earlier today that had no clue what he was doing and the group ended up breaking up because of that, so I wasted 30 mins. Again, the argument that people shouldn't play a role they aren't familiar with. Get off your high horse and let people play what they want to play. Until someone else starts paying for my monthly sub, I'll play whatever role I enjoy. It's up to you to decide wether or not you think I'm good enough to group with again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Duel specs lead to 1. People that you expect to know their role having the chance to not no one thing about how to do their role. (that guy has heroic raid gear lets get him because he has to know what hes doing, even though he got it as DPS and never healed before in his life) 2. It makes it harder for you to find people at your skill level that would help your group succeed. 3. It just adds thread of like people need to L2P. I got a healing in my flashpoint earlier today that had no clue what he was doing and the group ended up breaking up because of that, so I wasted 30 mins. people not knowing their class can happen with or without dual spec....... i know people that went to school to repair computers and i know people that havent seen a text book for college a day in their life know more than them. just because you leveled and put time into your character doesnt mean anything people learn things faster than others it is human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Still you need 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps in a flashpoint. No you don't. It may be the optimal (min/max) but you can do it with other class combinations. It may speed up or slow down the run or force a different set of tactics but it is not a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolil Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Not really. It's not even an effective point. That you keep regurgitating it over and over doesn't make it more valid. So make an argument against it. Allowing duel specs would have a negative effect because... Edited February 5, 2012 by Tolil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) people not knowing their class can happen with or without dual spec....... i know people that went to school to repair computers and i know people that havent seen a text book for college a day in their life know more than them. just because you leveled and put time into your character doesnt mean anything people learn things faster than others it is human nature. Some ppl don't even know to play there spec even if they played it since the level 1. I leveled myt alt as a dps and I respected healer when I hit the lvl 50. Took me 1 Flashpoint to understand how it works. No wipe. Edited February 5, 2012 by Guzul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 So make an argument against it. It's not needed. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Allowing someone to skip levels or get automaticaly doesn't hurt you either. Why are you complaining about it? Heck, allowing Advance Class changes would hurt you but here you are, in a thread, that all about denying that option to folks. Why? what? dual spec is not about AC change go get your head checked or better yet READ THE THREAD TITLE. you are in here deny for a feature that does nothing to hurt you it is like you are complaining about people that pay for gas with a credit card because you want them to use cash instead of their credit card because they are too lazy to go to the bank and get money and come back. that is how you sound right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolil Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 It's not needed. /thread And there we have it. Duel spec should not be in the game because you don't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) It's not needed. /thread /facepalm. That mean you don't have any. Good to know. We said it's needed and give a lot of arguments about it. You: "It's not needed becasue it's not needed /threat" No argument just wow... My main argument, it's needed because of the ratio between the flashpoint and the operative. The ratio might change in every boss fight in the operative. You didn't say a word on this yet. Edited February 5, 2012 by Guzul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 what? dual spec is not about AC change go get your head checked or better yet READ THE THREAD TITLE. I think you mis-understood my point. you are in here deny for a feature that does nothing to hurt you How would AC changes hurt you? it is like you are complaining about people that pay for gas with a credit card because you want them to use cash instead of their credit card because they are too lazy to go to the bank and get money and come back. Folks should pay cash as it is saves them a pretty decent chunk of change per gallon. Cash prices is cheaper than the credit price (at least in CA). that is how you sound right now. Not really but to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 so time = easy in your logic these dual spec arguments are so weak. if a boss fight is hard i dont see how dual spec can possible make it EASY. I told you how it would be easier. Lets not add that if you had duel spec you would have an advantage over someone who didnt have duel spec. Now here comes the well he can have duel spec no one is stopping him from having it right. well no one is stopping you from rolling an alt to do another spec either. But no that would involve you playing the game more instead of just clicking a button and being a healer or a dps or a tank. Fanboiz response to players saying there is no end game. Level an alt and all is well Fanboiz response to being told to level an alt to have 2 specs I want to play my main and not level an alt. So its ok when there is no engame content for many players that they have to roll an alt but when you have to roll an alt then there is a problem. Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) And there we have it. Duel spec should not be in the game because you don't want it. I know, it's soooo differen that your "dual spec should be in the game because you do want it!" Edited February 5, 2012 by Surakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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