SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 So a common scenario is developing for me in world PvP. I'm in a fight with a jedi shadow and winning, when suddenly they disappear and combat ends. I wait and figure w/e ability they are using has a limited duration and they will reappear soon. They never reappear. I see these guys the most since I imagine people who play them like to PvP since they are the rogue class. But seriously, am I just the world's worst hide and seek player or is something fishy going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcake Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 if you DoT them and they dont remove it they will lose stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnggernaut Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's called stealth. It ends when they want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's called stealth. It ends when they want it to. Well call me old fashioned, but if I recall in my WoW days as a rogue I couldn't just decide hmmm combat over and just decide to be stealthed from now on. I had a very temporary stealth that ended combat that wouldn't be lasting very long. Can Shadows/Assassins just stealth out of combat and stay stealthed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcake Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) if they dont take damage while stealthed, yes, thats why you have to DoT stealth classes. Edited January 17, 2012 by Shortcake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 if they dont take damage while stealthed, yes, thats why you have to DoT stealth classes. So if you don't have DoT...you can't kill a character with stealth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcake Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 you can... if their vanish skill is on cooldown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKDArtagnan Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well call me old fashioned, but if I recall in my WoW days as a rogue I couldn't just decide hmmm combat over and just decide to be stealthed from now on. I had a very temporary stealth that ended combat that wouldn't be lasting very long. Can Shadows/Assassins just stealth out of combat and stay stealthed? They took most things from WoW, and this includes the "Vanish" equivalent ability. Yes, Vanish removed you from PvP combat in WoW - and it even used to remove you from PvE raid combat. But they changed the latter part at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackBurden Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 You can also throw some AoEs immediately after they entered stealth. If they take damage, they'll exit stealth. Also, being close to them will allow you to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlaid Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's identical to the WoW rogue equivelant. Places you in stealth for a short duration, any dots will still break you out of stealth. However they have a semi-long cd that removes all debuffs and what not (cloak of shadow esqueue) that if they use at the same time will basically place them back in stealth as if they hadn't broken stealth yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooshee Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'm playing as a shadow myself and whenever i'm fighting against other shadows/assasins/whatever stealthclass and they disappear into stealth, I instantly run into the direction i think they're going and pull out some AOEs. Most of the times I hit them with my AOE knockback on my first try. This isn't a guaranteed method of course. And if my opponent hits the debuff removal+stealth+force speed it's very unlikely that I can break his stealth but it's always worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's b/s is what it is. I'm tired of these a-holes attacking me, and then stealthing away when the fight didn't go the way they wanted it to. And don't these classes also have that skill that removes DoTs? So can't they just remove your DoTs and THEN stealth? If you decide to attack another player you shouldn't be able to ***** out afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaniWes Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well call me old fashioned, but if I recall in my WoW days as a rogue I couldn't just decide hmmm combat over and just decide to be stealthed from now on. I had a very temporary stealth that ended combat that wouldn't be lasting very long. Can Shadows/Assassins just stealth out of combat and stay stealthed? You recalled wrong. Rogues have had vanish since day one. And yes shadows/assassins have it and operatives/scoundrels too, it's on a 3 minute cooldown, but can be shorter depending on talent spec. Aoe spells or dots will remove stealth, falling damage will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'm playing as a shadow myself and whenever i'm fighting against other shadows/assasins/whatever stealthclass and they disappear into stealth, I instantly run into the direction i think they're going and pull out some AOEs. Most of the times I hit them with my AOE knockback on my first try. This isn't a guaranteed method of course. And if my opponent hits the debuff removal+stealth+force speed it's very unlikely that I can break his stealth but it's always worth a shot. Its still a unfair get of jail free card. It means they can basically grief players and basically get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimsonak Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its still a unfair get of jail free card. It means they can basically grief players and basically get away with it. Not at all, there are several things you can do about it, if you can't DoT them, you can control them when they're low enough to burst down. You can even attempt to bring them out of stealth immediately after they stealth by guesstimating where they are and using an AoE ability. It is an escape ability, but not a free get out of jail card because there are ways to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 You recalled wrong. Rogues have had vanish since day one. And yes shadows/assassins have it and operatives/scoundrels too, it's on a 3 minute cooldown, but can be shorter depending on talent spec. Aoe spells or dots will remove stealth, falling damage will not. Yea but you couldn't full stealth once you were vanished, and even with the speed increase in stealth mode you weren't gonna be getting very far. If you got caught by a player as a rogue Vanish wasn't gonna save you unless you were lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Not at all, there are several things you can do about it, if you can't DoT them, you can control them when they're low enough to burst down. You can even attempt to bring them out of stealth immediately after they stealth by guesstimating where they are and using an AoE ability. It is an escape ability, but not a free get out of jail card because there are ways to stop it. Yea but here's the pattern I see Stun Remove DoTs Force Speed F'ing GONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mufutiz Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well call me old fashioned, but if I recall in my WoW days as a rogue I couldn't just decide hmmm combat over and just decide to be stealthed from now on. I had a very temporary stealth that ended combat that wouldn't be lasting very long. You don't remember a rogue ability called 'vanish'? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 You don't remember a rogue ability called 'vanish'? No? Aka temporary stealth that ended combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlaid Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 When an assassin vanishes on me, unless I'm sleepy/tired or stunned, I stealth scan them out almost every time. The radius on stealth scan is pretty huge. Half the time when I miss with it I still unstealth someone because people still underestimate how big the effective radius actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 When an assassin vanishes on me, unless I'm sleepy/tired or stunned, I stealth scan them out almost every time. The radius on stealth scan is pretty huge. Half the time when I miss with it I still unstealth someone because people still underestimate how big the effective radius actually is. What classes get that? Most of this complaining is from my perspective as a Sith Sorcerer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kudesnik Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 When an assassin vanishes on me, unless I'm sleepy/tired or stunned, I stealth scan them out almost every time. The radius on stealth scan is pretty huge. Half the time when I miss with it I still unstealth someone because people still underestimate how big the effective radius actually is. Only BH/trooper got that skill and it can hardly catch shadow/assassin with speed buff as they can get out of it's range in under one sec <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiters Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Yea but you couldn't full stealth once you were vanished, and even with the speed increase in stealth mode you weren't gonna be getting very far. If you got caught by a player as a rogue Vanish wasn't gonna save you unless you were lucky. Vanish is a "full" stealth in fact its an improved stealth which makes it even harder to detect them. plus rogues in wow have even more beastly moves now, shileds, LOS cloud, health regen in combat, many more ccs than assassins. Idk why you think vanish is a ****** small time move but its bread and butter to rogues nowadays. kinda like the cherry on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delezar Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What classes get that? Most of this complaining is from my perspective as a Sith Sorcerer. Amazing what a Sith Sorcerer has to complain about. Anyway, I do play a Jedi Shadow and a lot opponents are quite adapt in breaking my stealth. That includes Sorcerers by the way, so I do not really see a reason for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Vanish is a "full" stealth in fact its an improved stealth which makes it even harder to detect them. plus rogues in wow have even more beastly moves now, shileds, LOS cloud, health regen in combat, many more ccs than assassins. Idk why you think vanish is a ****** small time move but its bread and butter to rogues nowadays. kinda like the cherry on top. I dunno, maybe its cuz of the flying mounts, but Vanish never helped me much in PvP situations. They're gonna find you again, and they will kill you. Here you will not be catching them unless you're lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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