arnoldlol Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Hah, until TOR gets a population closer to wow, we do have to be sort of nice to each other. After that point though, **** all you guys! <3 Edited January 9, 2012 by arnoldlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artacks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Hah, until TOR gets a population closer to wow, we do have to be sort of nice to each other. After that point though, **** all you guys! <3 I want a divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 so about that Soa NMM. Lol. Thats all i have to say, Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoldlol Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Bioware dev 1: How can we make up for gharj pylons and council being a joke? Bioware dev 2: Mind Traps!!!! trollolol Edited January 9, 2012 by arnoldlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Bioware dev 1: How can we make up for gharj pylons and council being a joke? Bioware dev 2: Mind Traps!!!! trollolol and invisible lightning balls. Those things are the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoldlol Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) and invisible lightning balls. Those things are the worst. Mind traps on the jump transition! Edited January 9, 2012 by arnoldlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessen Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You don't have to give the solution, but a SI shielded person, on full health, who gets the red reticule, runs away from the group and gets one shotted by it. Are you saying that's avoidable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FtenEQ Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Hey guys, wanted to ask what spec your Juggernaught was, was he a full tank spec or was he using the hybrid build that is very popular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artacks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Does no one play DPS jugg? No wonder I get so much gear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Hey guys, wanted to ask what spec your Juggernaught was, was he a full tank spec or was he using the hybrid build that is very popular? I was full tank spec. edit: first ive heard of a hybrid spec? care to elaborate? edit2: im playing dps jugg tonight! its fun Edited January 9, 2012 by gramz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artacks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I was full tank spec. edit: first ive heard of a hybrid spec? care to elaborate? edit2: im playing dps jugg tonight! its fun If you need any advice, ive been playing one since beta. DPS sucks, but I've managed to hit around 330k in a warzone /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FtenEQ Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I was full tank spec. edit: first ive heard of a hybrid spec? care to elaborate? edit2: im playing dps jugg tonight! its fun Heya! Yeah so at least on the Republic side, many of the tanky Guards have been promoting this spec: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500rMG0uMzZhGrMMhzzM.1 What we trade is a few less-than useful skills in the top tier of defense(though I'm not going to lie I haven't used this spec), for Protector, Unremitting and Overhead Slash has been mathed out to be more TPS than Guardian Slash. So you gain 20% flat damage reduction every time you force leap, and you gain 20% damage reduction every time you use Guardian leap. So once you get used to using Guardian leap mid-fight, and using force leap before a tank swap, and you gain aggro generation and the frequency in which you get Blade Storm's shield. So yeah, thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Heya! Yeah so at least on the Republic side, many of the tanky Guards have been promoting this spec: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500rMG0uMzZhGrMMhzzM.1 What we trade is a few less-than useful skills in the top tier of defense(though I'm not going to lie I haven't used this spec), for Protector, Unremitting and Overhead Slash has been mathed out to be more TPS than Guardian Slash. So you gain 20% flat damage reduction every time you force leap, and you gain 20% damage reduction every time you use Guardian leap. So once you get used to using Guardian leap mid-fight, and using force leap before a tank swap, and you gain aggro generation and the frequency in which you get Blade Storm's shield. So yeah, thoughts? Interesting, I cant say I've had much issue with threat, other than in AOE situations. However, i agree on the less than useful skills on the top of our tier. But, some of the things you trade off seem like big losses (2% shield chance, un channeled force choke) and atleast in the spec you linked, the talent to get a shield from blade storm/force scream isnt taken. I've never been a HUGE fan of hybrid specs, but I'll give it a shot next week i guess. Edited January 9, 2012 by gramz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 If you need any advice, ive been playing one since beta. DPS sucks, but I've managed to hit around 330k in a warzone /shrug Its pretty straight forward as far as I can tell, keep impale/shatter on CD use scream on savagery procs (i kinda just use it on CD atm) and use ravage on CD (when sunder is on CD with no rage for impale/shatter) I feel like i have infinite rage and just need to find the optimal rotation but, its no where near the DPS marauders put out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artacks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Its pretty straight forward as far as I can tell, keep impale/shatter on CD use scream on savagery procs (i kinda just use it on CD atm) and use ravage on CD (when sunder is on CD with no rage for impale/shatter) I feel like i have infinite rage and just need to find the optimal rotation but, its no where near the DPS marauders put out. I dropped shatter. I'm in a weird spec right now, half veng / rage. Its a lot more damage if you utilize your charge correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 about that hybrid build. http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Immortal-Defense-Compendium-A-Tank-s-Guide-To-The-Galaxy?page=8 Read the very long (and very informative post) about it, turns out 31/10/0 is better for threat/survivability by his math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FtenEQ Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Oh! I saw that thread last week and was waiting for him to do the math on that! Awesome, looks like that's pretty much that then. Thanks for the input anyway, definitely wanted to know what spec you were using to begin with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artacks Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) about that hybrid build. http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Immortal-Defense-Compendium-A-Tank-s-Guide-To-The-Galaxy?page=8 Read the very long (and very informative post) about it, turns out 31/10/0 is better for threat/survivability by his math. That math makes 0 sense without a combat log. Its not based of actual data, but a compendium of "formulas" from other sites that aren't quite right... it adds up to like 37 dps overall if you look at his numbers, that's absolutely terrible. Not to mention that he "test it on ev" which means he was wiping over and over and over... sounds like a terrible spec if you ask me... Based of what I've tried, the hybrid build works just as good. It all depends on your playstyle of tanking. All the numbers in the world don't make a good tank. Edited January 9, 2012 by Artacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 That math makes 0 sense without a combat log. Its not based of actual data, but a compendium of "formulas" from other sites that aren't quite right... it adds up to like 37 dps overall if you look at his numbers, that's absolutely terrible. Not to mention that he "test it on ev" which means he was wiping over and over and over... sounds like a terrible spec if you ask me... Based of what I've tried, the hybrid build works just as good. It all depends on your playstyle of tanking. All the numbers in the world don't make a good tank. Which is also why I am hesitant to believe the hybrid spec has been "shown with math to have more damage/threat" I'm sticking with my 31/10/0 spec until I get some actual proof on either end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gramz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) I just watched your guys kill video. Your members WERE getting hit by the reticule/missile barrage/rocket burst/whatever you want to call it throughout the fight. @0:55, one of your melee (you yourself Gramz, in fact) is hit by a missile and launched to the side, brought down to about 25% @1:40 one of your ranged is hit and launched into the right turret, brought down to ~5-10% health. We are clearly talking about different mechanics as, if there were a way to completely avoid it as you are claiming, then your own members certainly would have on your kill. The bug we're talking about is that the missiles that were nearly killing your members are consistently critting to deal twice that damage, hence our references to RNG (and the patch notes citing it as a fix as well). I just watched the video again and when the missile hits me it only brings me to ~70%.. not 25% Edited January 9, 2012 by gramz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohnoto Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Congratz Nox Imperius on the kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killowatt Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 ITT poopsockers gathered together to see who has filled their sock the most.. TLDRWho Cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xandire Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I may have missed it but is anyone posting pics of the gear that has been dropping in these so that we can actually see the stats, etc.? It would be cool to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoldlol Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I may have missed it but is anyone posting pics of the gear that has been dropping in these so that we can actually see the stats, etc.? It would be cool to see. You can see stats on vendors, since tokens are what drop which you trade in for gear. Look for your classes Rakata vendor in the Supplies section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoldlol Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 ITT poopsockers gathered together to see who has filled their sock the most.. TLDR Who Cares?You cared enough to stop by and post, thanks for the support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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