^^ This sums it up An yes we should have two sets of gear. Pvp gear and pve gear. Makes since to do so an give a nice time sink for devs. Though in don't think it's long enough for the amateurs at BW. Takes them months to toss in minor fixes so, ya.

Two things I'd like to say BW should of done a long time ago. 1- allow players to be able to exchange gear back in for a refund of the required badges with in a reasonable amount of time (2hrs). 2- when players get disconnected during a war zone (even rated) they should be able to log back in an pop right back in that same match. These 2 alone really blow my mind as to why the hell they have not done this kind of stuff yet. Then again BW is gaining a rep of being a piss poor liar. We was suppose to have content monthly according to them. Still has not happened. Bug fixes are a big fail an are not addressed often enough nor responded to. They need to communicat 10x better an inform the community on issues an things to come with a date in reason. The word "soon" is getting very old. They really need to man up an perform like they want a SUB base of players or they will lose more this coming fall

First I'd like to say the arena should of done this before rated war zones. As someone's said above the game can't handle large scale battles in its current state. Second I want to point out that 1v1 is an will always be a dumb idea. NO GAME is balanced around a 1v1. In fact most mmo are balanced around a group. In this case I think TOR is balanced around 4v4 an up. IMO 2v2 3v3 and 4v4 with 3-4 arena types with the ability to LoS on arena maps would of helped the game far more then the rates by far. Now I don't think you should get better gear. But really cool fluff or armor shells that provide a different look or color. While I know some of you do not like arenas at all, an could enjoy world pvp more. But when I hear people complain about word pvp, I laugh for a few min. World pvp takes players to want to join in a area to fight. An I always chuckle when those same players say they need forts an objectives to conquer. Correct me if I am wrong. It isn't that a war zone? I mean world pvp is about large scale battles not the an giving low end toons a hard time. Not give me something to fight over. IMO you need something to fight over because people will NOT just go out in a zone to pvp. But give them something to bring them out. World pvp doesn't seem to be as popular as those who claim it is. If it was it would be going on right now with or without an objective. Now I do agree BW did screw illum up but at least you can still go to it an perform open world pvp (or planet). At least I can say this much IF arenas was put in. More if not a lot more players would have played it, an que times (when severs combined) would have been a lot better then the rated war zones. A proper rating system an bam players would be sucked in. Still cring about op classes, but at least then BW could get really good data on which AC lack to perform well in a 4v4 and which classes shine to much (dmg-cc-survivablity). My 2c Edit: using my iPhone which doesn't like some of my term use an puts in different words from time to time

All I can think about is a few things. DE saying they've got content ready to be pushed out. You can do this an that or be this crafted that can be the only one on the sever to craft something. A lot of what they intended to do (or lied about) was not delivered at all. The game has a lot of flaws in it at this point. Still some haven't been addressed and not to mention devs are not even speaking about crap because they need something to present at a convention. I'm sorry but at this point BW has screwed up by allowing the f2p people go from 1-50 in which they can complete the main core of the game. Class story. Should of allowed them to go to level 24. Get them hooked on it so they sub up or spend money. WoW in it's first year didn't have crap to do when you maxed out levels. No warzones no raids maybe a few instances? What the problem is BW went with this idea of let's cater to casuals. Bad idea. An I'm sure some of you will disagree with that. But as you look at wow it still has some of the best hardcore hard modes for this players. I mean hell those same players stuck around for almost a year doing alts or hardmodes in raids without an update before cataclism. They dumbed the game down a bit so the more casual player can achieve some of that. But that stuff comes later in patches, not right away. Let's tor launches rated war zones. Bad idea. Start with arenas 2-2 3-3 4-4. An make a arena (a few map). Players have a hard time with ques even with sever jammed together. This I blame on the casual gamers. Stick to you're xboxes n ps3. Then again I can say I knew some hardcore raiders that only spend 3-4 hours gaming those raids one time a week. That IMO is very casual. But it seems casual again say things like they don't got time to do this an that. But in wow I seem hardmode raids only play 4 hours during raid night in the best of best gear. F2p with boost numbers for a while. When those casual players do story an then eff off the numbers will drop. Community will be split due to well f2p players won't have access to areas of the game. Then eventually the company's will say hmm how do we get sub players to spend some real $$ plus sub. Well we toss up armor n weapons and so on. Maybe with not mods. But down further in the vendor. O look mods armoring an so on. I'm am sadden by the way they are handling things. What will happen is WoW and GW2 will drop this fall an snag more of tor's player base sub wise an then what? Offer more cartel coins for playing or goodies on vendor. IMO its sad to say that if they don't start pumping out major amounts of content that isn't finished in 4 hours or with in a week it will sink an sink fast. Make no mistake about that. Content an raiding/pvp is what can make the game better an they keep dropping the ball on it. F2p will roll just like EA Does on console. You watch, not at start but in will slowly creep in My 2c anyhow

Funny that you say this. Only thing BW did was move dmg around a bit. Thus making the class no longer a one trick poney. They still have exceptional damage but poor 1v1 survival skills

ok this is the only think you are total false on. PVE AND PVP go hand an hand. A game will not survive good numbers without each other. Only a fool would think other wise.

That won't help the players paying the subs. Those f2p players won't be able to do all the warzones nor any end game content. Now let's say the number of subs drop in this game. An when you log on an cant play other warzone types because a majority of the players at that time are f2p. An after they used up their warzone play time maybe you get a 5m waits the not. Might end up waiting 20m for a match. Who knows right. That would go for end game ops to. Sad part of it all is they still haven't managed to correct the issues the game has now but plan on pushing more content and adding in a f2P option. That say a lot on how much they care on the current state of the game is

It's a fail an will split what community you have. F2p people will join play single player story an leave. Pvp will suffer due to the fact that f2p people will be limited. Pve will suffer because they can't recruit f2p players Depending on how many players are on a mmo determines weather it's a fail or success. Everyone views it different. Lotr was a fail. If future mmo absorbs this type of format the so be it. I for one do not like these formats an can careless if they all go this way. Eventually it will all go back to a sub format because players will not enjoy paying for the fluff an or expanding content that should of been a given. I for one will not be around to watch it go belly up. Though I'll be watching the crys while I'm at work on forums.

Lol your funny. F2p means getting EVERYONE including sub payers to buy crap off that vendor. If you think that stuff will be cheap on that vendor you will be kidding yourself. So what you get a small amount of coin monthly that could amount to 2$ or 5$. But in order to buy item X you need 3000 cartel coins yet you earn 150 a month. GL with that's. Also when a game claims to push out content an such before an some what after launch an does do it. Yes players get bitter. Now they use a lot of man power in doing this f2p model BS an the game is flooded with issues bugs an game play ability an is that fix? Nope still runs the same with lack of attention. Don't for see any fast development work being done working the issues out. EA screwed the pooch on this. The game could of been more but they failed to deliver. I'm glad you like the idea of it. It's your opinion an I'm not tring to sway it. But you should at least open your eyes to the bigger picture of what ea is going to try an do. Also think of this for a sec. If f2p players are eh say half to pop on a sever an you need people to do ops or rated warzones. Those people that are f2p can not help unless they sub up or buy the ability to be able to. Now how does this method help a community when tring to form guilds an or pvp groups? Heck if I'm not mistaken they could very well be limited on what kind of items they can aquire which leaves less auction house selling. Idk. Maybe I fail to see it be good maybe I don't. Time will tell the tail but I for one think that f2p players will hinder a community of pvp and pve by not being able to find players to perform task in the game.

I cancelled my sub today. I am not going to gw2. I do find tor worth 15$ a month an wish I could continue to play an enjoy the game. However, learning that they are preparing to launch f2p very soon and knowing all the bugs an mechanic issues are still in game, I for one don't for see any of that getting fixed as fast as they should be. They are going to be adding in new content in which will add to the wraith of issues they have failed to correct. Personally I wish they would of added in cross sever, arenas, and bigger warzones that held 25-40 people per side. Now I know some disliked the arena system in wow. But you know what? WoW arena game is played in around the world in tournaments. It is very successful regardless of who likes it or not. The rated warzones tor put in are a joke an fail. If they added in arenas of 2s 3s and 4s at least they could of balanced the game around a 4m group. Took the time got the numbers an seen what classes lacked or was unable to perform well at a high rating. I personally believe the maps cater to certain class in swtor right now. Thus give a few classes a label of op. I have seen all the classes perform well dmg wise and healing wise. Not saying some very minor adjustments aren't needed. I for see this game (ToR) subs drop an accounts climb in the first 6 months after f2p. At the year mark I personally believe that those numbers will fall below 500k. I for one do not want a game taking my money an making me pay real life money for a in game curence just to be able to buy an item of a vendor. Yes I get it you earn them MONTHLY, but the prices I bet will be high enough it would take you 2 to 3 months to aquire. The idea behind the model they are going to push out is to get everyone to buy something of that vendor. If 750k people spend one dollar in one day they made a lot of money right? But to a sub player shouldn't have to spend a dime nor have to wait a month to aquire a coin that can't be earned else where I the game. However this is my 2c. Like it hate idc it's a choice you can make. Btw warhammer was a crappy game. It's all in a matter of opinion but I said it a long time ago before this game launched that those devs from warhammer had to go. Sad thing is they maybe gone now, but the damage is already done.

My guess is people click threw to be done with the game an didn't care about what they picked Some perhaps picked it because it's the truth. While those that did unsub complained about lack of content an game mechanic not being fixed. An among other stuff Today the game still has a lack of content and the game engine is still not fixed. By now they should of the game at least like a hot knife threw butter. The game as of right now has many issues from major to minor. Are they fixed yet? Have they pumped out content yet like they claim they can do? Does everyone play the game with out any serious issues? I fail to see this stuff happening when f2p happens. Adding more content to the game will cause it to suffer more issues. If they can't correct the current ones, f2p most certainly won't fix it and apparently BW/ea won't either

While I agree with you I think the op misunderstands that if they are pushing out more content the it be like sto with a 30m quest line an that's it. Wait till next weeks episode. That was very lame an I can see the fluff being a majority of the content with very little actual story lines that last at least 8 hours

Give it a few months an you can buy it with some real money to look cool. At least ea/BW hope to suck more money out of you

I agree with this. Also to the OP I'm not sure of your live style or anything, but I have a wife an kids myself an still have plenty of time to play 20+ hours during the week an maybe 16 on the weekend. An that includes cooking for my kids cleaning an all that other stuff that comes as a home owner and farther. I personally find your excuse to be sad an lame. Thus from a reading stand point of view an not knowing you personally. However if that's how you feel, that is fine it's your right. No bashing or down grading you I'm just expressing from what I read.

I like you Glad someone gets it

Lol p2w huh?? I knew them bastards had a trick up the sleeve. No seriously I can see it happening slowly of a course of a year

If I'm not mistaken a few of the games have gotten p2w type stuff going on. Not really my taste in game style.

You can say what you want about the f2p an applaud ea/BW for it. The game will grow for one reason. So people can play the single player aspect. They will come in an do that only an then leave. Say what you want on my remarks idc but that will happen an subs will drop. After a yr after this f2p goes live you will see far less number of subs of less then 500k

When stop putting effort into quality of the game as in make the game play smoother and correcting bugs in which are still here today then I can not blame those you cancelled their sub. As far as them coming back to a f2p format I highly dought that. I'm not certain how ea/BW even expects players who come in f2p wise to handle the current bs that's broken. The lag is getting really bad an out of hand when in warzones. The most disappointing thing to me is they are failing hard. An it seems to be worse the swg IMO. Damn shame to because I like StarWars an Syfy an it will be a long time before a company will invest into a Syfy game IMO. Shame on ea for the bs decisions they've made. They can truly fuk a good company up

Mark my words. In the coming months after the f2p goes live numbers will go up. Those players will level an enjoy a single player type aspect of the game. 6 months later number will drop some. At the one year mark the number will have dropped below the 500k mark. F2p is going to allow those who like the aspects an ideas of the story to play that part of it an then they will be happy an move on.

If they can't afford 15$ a month then how is it they can afford the Internet let a lone a powerful enough pc to handle this game. Sorry to say that those that dislike subs are funny. Play the Xbox an spend 50$ for the access then another 60$ for the game and after all that you buy maps an small amount of content which becomes way more $$$ then a 15$ monthly sub. Btw guild wars 2 is a joke just like the first one. I'd rather play WoW again in mist of pandora then put up with time being spent on designing fluff then fix the game an all that needs done

If I can't get every single item on that vendor the first day it drops as a paying customer since launch, then IMO they failed to inform me that I didn't get total access. Why I say this is because I am a paying customer an I shouldnt have to wait a month to earn things. I don't got to wait a month now to earn what I want in the game. I just put some effort into it am I earn it with in a weeks time or less depending on what I am tring to get. I'd much rather get a full refund on all the months paid and for my box copy. Enjoy your new Cartel Coin

They aren't gonna balance crap. All they are gonna do is focus on this f2p bs an expect the remaining subs to put up with what ever crap that is bug or screwed up with the game until they get around to it. Here have a Cartel Coin for your troubles.

Sad thing is I paid for the game an all those months an what do I get?? Cartel coins. Really??? Here some coins to a vendor that we will give every month because you pay monthly. Doesn't sound like a fair trade off. This will be the beginning to the end. Should of focused on fixing what is work an make the game play run like hot knife threw butter. Instead of blaming players an the machine they are on. The game could of been something else of it was correct, but now it's going to be about making fluff items an less content. Such a shame

^^^. This an what you quoted on. I'm highly agree. How the game plays an performs on my machine determines weather or not I will keep paying to play. I am very disappointed in BW for not fixing the game to run like a hot knife threw butter. Time will tell the tail, but for me, it's sad to say that "Mist of Pandora" (wow) is in the mirror catching up with speed