You got nothing, that's exactly what I thought.

LOL you fundamentally don't understand how things work and ignore the totality of the circumstances. You are trying to set up a straw man argument which won't work against someone like me. Please tell me that you do understand that most MMOs take a rock/paper/scissors approach to PvP balance. Assuming you are aware of the common knowledge you would know that Sorc/Sages might be the paper to a tanks rock. Now HMMMMMM I wonder who the scissors would be. Sniper perhaps? Lets take a look at some abilities here. The quintessential Sorc ability is force lightning right? Per Torhead they list that ability as doing 4011 energy damage during the duration which is 4s (one tick on cast and then once each second after). In what can a sniper do in 4 seconds? Snipe (1.5s cast each) twice and Followthrough (instant) once which is 2917 energy damage x 2 + 1532 damage totalling 7366 energy damage. So in the same amount of time the sniper using attacks that can be shielded does more raw DPS than the sorc whose attacks aren't shielded. Lets do some more math shall we? The sorc in 4s uses a Force attack which does 4011 energy damage. The Sniper does 7366 energy damage which can be shielded. Now lets assume that they both attack me and for simplicity sake since this is about shields we ignore armor. The sorc would hit me for 4011 damage. Now if I were to shield the snipers attack and I have 40% mitigation then he does 4420 energy damage. Now that is already higher than the sorc by 409 damage. Here's the thing though, I WON'T shield EVERY attack from that sniper so over time with that same rotation they would do a lot more damage to me than the Sorc would. How do you like them apples?

Except that is incorrect. The abilities with the highest DPS are Melee/Ranged abilities. And I'm not referring to the free level 1 ones.

I like how you presume to know the rotations of every class and every spec in the game. Can you divine my winning lottery numbers too? And once again if you had read through the other thread you would also know that the more things that mitigate an ability the higher base damage it generally does. So an ability that does weapon damage to you would if shielded do up to 50% less damage than without the shields. You have to have insane gear to get to 50% however. I myself have around 40% absorb. Base Damage: Mitigated by everything >by Armor > by nothing So you go right ahead and neglect your shields and I will unload blasters and rail shot your butt right off your body.

Agree. As a Shield Tech (Tank spec) Powertech it can be hard to take down some of the healer ones because they can usually get a heal off at least once between my stuns and interrupts but I knock them way low and take their focus off of whoever else they were healing before and usually it's enough to get someone to come push them over with me. If they are DPS however I eat them up since they have puny heals.

To people who don't understand game mechanics. Look, in the other thread I posted a list of 44 Empire side attacks that are triggered by Shields. Because of this thread I went through and counted all Force/Tech attacks which don't trigger shields. There were 55 of them give or take one since I didn't feel like going through and counting again to double check my numbers. 18 of those 55 are internal or elemental damage which are mitigated by nothing naturally leaving 37 Force/Tech attacks that aren't affected by shields but are affected by armor. So: 44 Empire attacks mitigated by everything. 37 Empire attacks mitigated by armor only. 18 Empire attacks mitigated by nothing. Yeah shields are sooo worthless lol.

Oh look it's this thread again. Apparently getting shot down repeatedly with facts and actual in game numbers was too much to continue the other thread.

So let me get this straight; you make up an assumption of total number of attacks and then round to 100 and then say 40% instead of 44% and then do math based on those number to try and tear down my argument. That people is what we call a straw man argument. Sorry but your example fails. Until you can use actual in game numbers then I stand by my findings. After all I did use actual in game numbers for my research.

I posted a list of 44 Empire side attacks on I think page 76 which are affected by shields. If you think that having the shields work vs 44 different attacks is useless then more power to you. I will also add that by and large the attacks that are affected by shields tend to have the highest base damage (explained on page 50) so if you want to get your butt torn off by snipers and marauders where you would normally be mitigating more of their damage then by all means go for it. The fact remains that shields are viable against a wide variety of attacks. Whether or not you think that makes them worth taking is an opinion and not indicative to a problem with how shields work.

I'm pretty sure it just defaults to whoever joined the warzone first for your team.

No problem exists that needs fixing. That is why BW isn't responding. It's a made up problem by the OP bumped by people who have a severe lack of understanding of how the game mechanics work. The only possible thing I can see that might need to be looked at is if crits do indeed bypass and if they should bypass, shields/defense even if they are from Ranged/Melee class attacks. Precluding that there is no issue that needs to be addressed aside from the issue of people's critical thinking skills.

This is one of those threads that reminds me of the quote: "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

Pretty much what he said. I'm a Shield Tech Powertech. I don't do flashy crits like some of the classes do but with someone to throw me an occasional heal I'm pretty beastly because I can last a long time, and I feel like I have good mobility with Jet Charge and lastly grapple to save teamates ot to pull huttball carriers is pretty great.

Not always true. I tend to consistently be in the top 3 medal winners no matter the warzone and I always play to win the match, not to farm medals. Anyway if it's not QQing about voting for the person with the most medals it's QQing about voting for guildmates. Where does the QQ end?

Jedi wear simple homespun robes because it says that they don't need fancy clothes because they are cloaked in the force. That being said however there is precedent for them wearing flashier stuff in some of the books I've read.

/cares

I skipped some of the bonus series quests since I was tired of the planet and wanted a change of scenery, otherwise no.

Just an FYI, that's a Red Herring. Straw Man and Red Herring are both Logical Fallacies. Anyway hopefully this ability lag and apparent FPS fix will help me out since I have experienced both issues.

lol I can't believe people are STILL bumping this. So gullible.

I stopped reading there.

Huttball: 8 since I like the layout and obstacles and team strategy can really shine here. Voidstar: 7 It's good but there have been times that I will arm/disarm and my progress bar will finish and half a second later someone will hit me and I won't get credit for arming/disarming. Alderaan: 6 It would be a better warzone if my fps didn't suck most of the time in there. And it's not my rig, see the Horrid FPS thread in customer service forums.

I agree with the OP. There's still a lot of tears but it's more like a river of tears now than an ocean.

I've been noticing the same thing. A lot more Civil War and Voidstar matches lately and a lot more Huttball vs Republic matches.

I started BT hardmore with around 17-18k health due to having a lot of centurion and champ gear from the PvP dailies and it was fairly easy with maybe one or two hairy moments.

Considering I don't have a multitude of 50s at my disposal to test with it's not lazy, hence why I asked for confirmation from other players genius. The trend however IS there and I have yet to see ANYONE post numbers to the contrary.