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What a horrible waste of resources to redo something that's not going to be an improvement.
I've not had this feeling since....😂
Imagine redoing the GTN when you're bleeding out your player base. This IMO is just further proof things will only continue to get worse vs. improve. They've not learned from the 7.0 downgrade at all it would seem.
And c'mon they're not gonna listen to any feedback they haven't ever listened to PTS responses. You know this lol.
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1 hour ago, Toraak said:
All of the variations was the issue. while 7.x grind is what most complain about that really isn't much different from 6.x farming HS tho. The difference is doing that was easier for most players. If 6.x dropped all of the armoring, mod and enhancement variations I'd have had no issues with it. That was simply the issue with that gearing system.
Lets face it. 6.x Farm HS, 7.x Farm ev/kp HM. Let's face it that is what will happen when 7.4 comes out, as it was for 7.0. The only difference in gear grind for 7.x is that if you want BiS your forced to actually be a sub, and be able to do Operations now.
Edit: At least they did fix much with the Hyde/Zeek quests. That did fix most of the gearing problem with 7.x. I don't see anywhere near as many complaints since they added that.
To each their own though, the variations were precisely what most of the people I ran with liked the most. Gave us something to do/sense of reward for re-running content. Getting an extra bit mastery or power here and there was a nice bonus anytime you saw a good R series mod.
Never gonna make everyone happy, but 6.0 to me was a near perfect version of the game. Gear/Actually having meaningful loot was part of the reason why.
I respect its not your cup of tea. Some aren't into the loot style systems and hate RNG, I'd of been cool with them making a system to work around that in conjunction.
Now we have the worst of both worlds, no loot & a bad gear token system.
But what do you expect from Devs who don't treat the player base with basic respect.
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On 10/23/2023 at 10:14 PM, Lord_Malganus said:
agree 110%.
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I think its more normal to be concerned with any change at this point, its just paying attention to track record.
Its one thing to modernize your games but they're so far behind on fixing core aspects of the game, its telling that this is an area of focused resources.
Then you add in their low success rate of implementing changes without breaking other things...
Its potentially a disaster, but good news is they've only got about 10k or so players left that will notice.
Just another sign of awful leadership decisions in a long list of them.
Go look at GW2's rest of year roadmap in comparison to this & the livestream. Look at ESO's roadmap compared to it. I mean even Lost Ark is trying various ways to ADDRESS THE PLAYERS CONCERNS.
We got dye announcements & lightning changes, its the epitome of smoke & mirrors to cover for poorly done jobs.
Its embarrassing the way they conduct themselves imo.
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Just now, GeneralGyro said:
imagine my disgust at the livestream chat when they showed the dyes...
"omg take my money, there are no problems in swtor! u are amazing!! take my money!!"
They know the market they haven't alienated yet at least. 😂😂😂
But it is frustrating from all sides seeing them both trying to appeal to and take advantage of players like that.
Rest of us simply have years of experience to know better then to give any benefit of the doubt to this dev team.
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If we could go back to how the game was at various points the population would be 3-4x higher.
They've been downgrading the game visually & mechanically for 3+ years now. From UI to Reward Systems to outdated graphics being made worse...
No one is safe. 😂
Also they're "fixing" lightning in an update so be prepared for all manners of broken things having to do with light lol.
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Everyone: "Address and fix the problems"
Devs: "We're adding Dyes!"
I mean....
We're basically fools for even trying to have adult conversation at this point. Why they want to tank their game for cheap cash grabs instead of having sustained revenue & customer satisfaction is beyond me.
The game is not in an enjoyable state, but hey least we'll be shiny.
Respect for trying to keep pushing logical points of view, but they're just not listening or receiving it at this point.
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Just another announcement of them setting the bar as low as possible. While every other MMO under the sun releases content, overhauls, or expansions.... Swtor is getting Dyes and more of the exact same things it doesn't need.
Didn't have any expectations but this was just another "Swtor is still going to suffer the 7.X era style dev decisions" announcement to me.
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They didn't really say anything which is better then being dishonest lol.
With this being the same Dev team that brought us 7.0 it is very much not a hopeful outlook when comparing Broadsword's other titles.
I would have loved a harsher more critical response that was filled with brutal honesty about Swtor falling short of players expectations in recent years, but I don't know if I would have believed it amount to anything.
This dev team has their work cut out for them to undo about 3 years at least of bad design decisions, destroying the morale of the community, and overall disappointment.
Anything short of "we're sorry for 7.0, here's how we're undoing the biggest mistakes" just feels like further burying their heads in the sand vs. progress.
So we'll see but not optimistic about it at all.
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120ms has become the new normal vs. 30ms.
Its Swtor though so not expecting any fixes or even for it to be addressed. Not exclusive to PvP but does seem extra unstable there, have seen a lot of teleporting/freezing/dc's since the move.
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I feel it, I used to enjoy 30ms or lower.
Haven't been below 100ms since the move.
What can you do though, its basically good enough to do story missions which... Seems to be all they care about.
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On 10/5/2023 at 1:12 AM, Shayddow said:
It is annoying as hell.
That would be most of the UI changes, esp the past 3 years. Break what wasn't broken & making things more difficult then they were before, and not add the requested features.
Welcome to Swtor, has to be the easiest job to have on the planet bc things don't even have to function correctly or make sense.
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10 hours ago, AshleyRuhl said:
Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.
I mean I'm entirely ok with Xalek just occasionally killing people in the background of cutscenes.
(After some thought: same thing for m1-4x)
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On 9/24/2023 at 9:48 AM, Spikanor said:
for me it was more harder to learn it since i have learn it from playing MMORPG game's a lot and not from school.
thats why i have add it in my signature also since i got compleet sick from the complainers each time that there think you need to be MR perfect in anyhing.
You're trying to learn something, that's a good thing. Its never kind to correct people publicly like that unless its asked for or part of the topic of discussion.
Sorry people aren't more understanding or patient about it. Still you're getting there and most don't even try to learn a second language.
If people aren't respectful of it. Just block em and move on. No sense letting strangers on the internet bother you or put you down for trying to grow.
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On 9/21/2023 at 9:02 PM, R-Smith said:
Just recently resubbed to the game with my wife. Was a loyal subscriber for the first five years of the games' history. Then moved on to other games, but got the itch to come back and wife and I resubbed. Wife decided she wanted to do something nice for me and so got the headstrong apprentice armor and a black dye mod that she was going to give me as surprise gift tomorrow - only to realize that we likely can't afford the in-game taxes on the trade for her to gift it to me. We used to trade items between the two of us since she first joined the game about a year after it launched. So now she's stuck with an in-game armor she doesn't want (and can't gift to me) and so it will just sit in her inventory until hell freezes over.
You know what else will not happen until hell freezes over? Either of us buying anything on the cartel market ever again and either of us renewing our subscription at the end of this month.
Let me be clear. We LOVED playing this game together. When we both had extended vacation days, we'd sometimes spend 10+ hours doing story missions with whatever characters we played. When we weren't playing the game, we talked about the game. Made jokes about the game (Your name is Weeznod, nobody's going to take you seriously. "The sith want to destroy the Revanites - but they can't find them unless they take the taxi to the secret Revanite compound on Dromund Kas that nobody's supposed to know about. "Oh, you do have the token!", creepy space children in the sweres of Coruscant, etc. etc.) We laughed so hard sometimes, we cried. It was great. The game was great. The stories were great. The characters were great.
You've killed that.
In an effort to crush a problem YOU created by allowing gold spammers to operate from practically day one, item resellers from reselling items for over-inflated prices (really? items on the GTN for BILLIONS of credits?!!!!). You made it so we didn't have to outfit companions and dumbed down combat (who plays tanks anymore), so crafting became largely pointless, but even then, we were still having fun being back - we played around with our old strongholds, restarted new versions of our favorite characters and started exploring a galaxy far far away all over again.
But now my wife can't even give me a gift in game without you taking your cut?
What's next utility bills if we leave the lights on in our strongholds? You're already charging for fast travel - but how about some ship maintenance fees?
How about GROCERY bills. Bowdaar eats a lot and he's always hanging out in the kitchen of my freighter.
But you've managed to suck whatever nostalgia driven fun my wife and I still had for this game out of us. Congratulations.
So, for what it's worth I guess I should thank you for saving me $15 a month.
If you are on Starforge I will give you and your wife a guild for free, no strings, so you can use the Guild Bank as Trixxie has stated.
Might take a little time for the guild join cooldown but its a solution.
Just shoot me a message if you need it. The community has got your back especially because we know how long it takes for solutions or fixes to these sorts of problems to get addressed.
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55 minutes ago, Whykara said:
I've actually never viewed it like that. I've always assumed that Biosword doesn't want to listen to the players or doesn't care about improving that game all that much. But them actually being unable to hasn't really crossed my mind until now. It makes sense if you think about it. And if Eric Musco is being truthful about the hurdles they're facing for just upscaling a single texture, it seems like there are also big organisational and bureaucratic problems on top of everything else.
Sure we can get into mismanagement of resources and the politics of trying to appease different parties. Those both surely exist as problems, mistakes are always made in these areas.
But as you said a lot of their point of view was simply unknown because of very poor communication & what we did get felt extremely dishonest.
Its not gonna wash all the problems away, and of course they burned a lot of their player base waiting this long to even give a glimpse of this sort of feedback, but I am a firm believer of better late then never.
If Eric can get his team to engage like this vs. the past communications, and then hopefully starts working with the passionate player base...it might not move mountains but it will definitely lead to a more profitable & satisfying experience for both parties.
They would be able to actually have positive discourse & the community would feel respected for a change. I'm not gonna say all is forgiven, but this is a good first step towards earning player trust & respect.
Lets hope they continue to take more steps in this direction.
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On 9/22/2023 at 10:27 AM, EricMusco said:
Hey there,
Ok so first, I super appreciate the enthusiasm in the thread. We always love to hear where folks' heads are at for suggestions or ideas on places to improve the game...
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All that said, keep the suggestions coming! Sometimes there are suggestions that we spot and someone goes “hey we can do that pretty quick” and they are the exceptions we can turn around quickly!
Thanks all.
-eric
Its great to see actual communication for a change versus what we're used to. This was a welcome surprise to see an in-depth breakdown of your team.
It unfortunately doesn't paint your team in the best light in the modern era, as there are plenty of modders and other development teams who do these tasks relatively quickly. Things like upgrading texture assets for example, most of which can be done through automation programs these days.
That being said I'll take this honest position and being realistic with the limitations of your team's skill set & abilities vs. the dishonest & misleading statements of the past.
Its better to be real with the fact we're only going to get small scale improvements vs. Saying something is an expansion or year long celebration when it isn't the case.
Will stay subbed even when taking a break in support if this sort of communication continues. It ain't perfect but it sure beats what we've had for the past few years.
Cheers.
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2 hours ago, TrixxieTriss said:
After you’ve been burnt multiple times squared by these devs, players have had enough. Sure some would return, but I think you’re being overly optimistic if you think thousands of PvP players would return even if BioSword did everything you said & more. It would take a much bigger effort to gain players trust again.
People have very short term memories. There is not a ripe market to offer them what they want. The carrot looks massively appealing when all you've been getting is the stick.
I've seen it so many times in so many various fields, its a very predictable trend imo.
Now add in the fact the MMO market is fluid, they go through the motions to other titles: FFXIV, ESO, GW2, etc. A decent amount of these customers are almost prone to a flavor of the month.
None of the above are Star Wars or have combat that compares. GW2 used to come close but has suffered from the stacking mentality which thankfully is not mandatory for a good chunk of Swtor content.
Introducing simple measures to make the game feel better to play in conjunction with new levels/maps. Perhaps even a good marketing strategy with duel tournaments, extra steps would help.
But if you rebuild trust, provide the consumers wants, and invite them back with fanfare... Its almost a timeless recipe for a renewal of business.
The challenge isn't in attracting consumers back at all, that's actually very easy in pretty even without the above (A sale, promotional event, tie in with popular media, etc) but its more in being able to continue to keep them happy once they've returned.
This would require a complete 180 from what we currently have from them. It'd require community management, engagement, apologies, honesty, and delivering upfront vs. empty promises.
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3 hours ago, krackcommando said:
what color is the sky in your world? ."
Marketing/Expectations dominate the mindset of the average consumer.
Elden Ring won Game of the Year for example, not because it was revolutionary or ground breaking but because it met the expectations of its player base.
If the Devs had effectively communicated the expectations would match the results, thus decreasing dissent.
You're entitled to your own opinion & to draw your own conclusions, but sheer data tends to support image & perceived value is paramount to most. Essentially just be honest & upfront then deliver on said promise.
I'm a former Regional Marketing Manager, this is literally my field of expertise.
(Also not sure why you chose to cherry pick one of the main points and not take it as a whole. Delivering on players basic wants is also important as well. The things listed are commonly stated over and over by the larger player base.)
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Honestly not having depth to the story companions is one of the biggest downfalls of the later game.
The ship has sailed but it would have been amazing to have good writing beyond Chapter 3 that built on the relationships.
If they found a way to just do another time skip and get away from all the mess of a story that was the Alliance to now, and then did class story focused expansions they'd get so many players back so fast.
But its another one of those bad management/development decisions.
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Another major issue needing addressed. The QT system is essentially not fully functional anymore bc of the inability to click the icons.
How this made it into the live game is insane but least they could do is a hotfix.
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This definitely needs to happen, especially because of the lack of in game moderation.
I hate having to guess which form of hate I have to unblock to deal with the newest form of hate.
Its basically "I guess I'll unblock the guy who uses racist slurs because they're not as bad as the guy telling people to off themselves 24/7."
We get the Devs neglect the game & feed the trolls more then anything else, but at least free us up to block out all the hate.
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1 hour ago, Lord_Malganus said:
Politicians is a good analogy. The easiest way to control conversations is to not allow others to speak. It has gotten so bad, gone so far, with such an arrogant disposition, that announcements are locked when posted, so no one can even comment or ask questions. Why even have a forum to discuss the game?
Its baffling to say the least, its defies all logic & business sense. Making your consumer feel appreciated & respected is paramount to sustained success.
And its not like the base hasn't been patient or tried various methods to encourage it. Players have been beyond civil in comparison to forums of other games.
Sure the overwhelming negative feedback is daunting, most of which was preventable of course, but anyone with basic management skills/customer service can see how poor of a strategy this has been for both profit & customer retention/growth.
The negative culture we have they created by negligence & unprofessionalism. Worst is it doesn't take but a tiny bit of effort to fix it and yet...
Head in sand everytime beyond "hey guys we're posting patch 7.X, let us know your feedback." And then somehow make the game worse by ignoring said feedback til we get another identical post regurgitating the same phrases.
AI could do a better job relating to the customers at this point.
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On 9/18/2023 at 7:50 AM, septru said:
All of them would come back. Without question. You'd be surprised how many people love the fundamentals of combat in this game.
Literally all it takes is devs communicating better, putting effort into areas that people actually care about, and admitting to their mistakes.
I'd bet easily at least a couple thousand players would return with just an apology for 7.0 & a decent patch that added things like more maps, matchmaking, and addressed balance concerns.
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Posted · Edited by TheVoyant
I liked 6.0 it was a great time! 😂
There's not a whole lot of upside right now, but I will say I'm a fan of most of the people on the forums these days. Its nice that while the Devs bury head in sand, people articulate well about all the issues/offer solutions. Most MMOs its a dumpster fire, Lost Ark shut off their forums for example.
Its a pretty awesome community despite how badly the Devs treat them, they somehow find a way to optimistic even when all the signs point to more problems, they list issues on PTS even knowing its going to be ignored.
So the best thing about Swtor right now, in my opinion is all of you guys. You deserve so much better but I respect each of you for maintaining composure in the face of such unprofessionalism & someone destroying something you love.
Cheers to all of you who keep trying to make the best of a bad situation, esp one you have no control over. Godspeed out there.