I mean if you want to get technical debilitate is our only hard stun and both get it, but we can definitely keep somebody in place with concealment long enough to burst them down, something lethality doesn't have the burst dmg to do. It becomes more of a dragged out bout with lethality.

I mean if you want to get technical debilitate is our only hard stun and both get it, but we can definitely keep somebody in place with concealment long enough to burst them down, something lethality doesn't have the burst dmg to do. It becomes more of a dragged out bout with lethality.

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Play lethality op, and your sniper problems will be answered.

In terms of lethality, basically every single ability is useful besides rifle shot. I find this to be the case more so then other classes, also. Make sure your 2 dots are bound somewhere important you'll be using those a lot. Concealment is fine, just boring to play IMO. More people play it though, especially because you can stun, stun, stun win people in pvp. I play both, and all around I perfer lethality in both pve and pvp but many will disagree (especially in terms of pvp)

They are way too busy nerfing an already under performing class to even consider a boost. Be happy if they dont nerf it further and enjoy the fact that nobody else really plays it because it's trash.

I heard somebody from test mention about 150dps, so 2% as stated above sounds about right. Basically in line with concealment, so no real reason to play lethality anymore since it lacks in burst so it's pointless for short fights. Better off playing the burst spec that Is acceptable for short and long fights.

50%? Naw, this simply isn't the case. These changes are definitely happening from what I've heard.... And some of them are justified, but the maurd and lethality nerf is a joke.

It's fine if they want to give us absolutely no ability to AOE even though basically every other class gets something, I'm more annoyed with the fact that our single target DPS doesn't outshine or at least match other classes who actually have AOEs. Instead, they nerf operative single target DPS in the upcoming patch for lethality spec.... and continue to leave concealment at the bottom of the pack. Our Single target DPS is average at best, and only in a very long fight. shorter fights (most fights) we are garbage. Our AOEs are none existence The class isn't really viable to play unless it's something you enjoy. There's simply better options, and that goes for basically every single other option available.

Exactly, seems like people are on the same page.... I'm not trying to complain because it's a NERF against my class, I play other classes too. I play my bounty hunter a lot, and I agree that it should be NERF'd (feels OP, especially in PVP). Cutting down lethality OP when it's already down for the count just seems.... strange.... And for those that say it parses fairly high (11th overall or whatever) and higher then concealment, to them I say: Sure, in a very VERY long fight it can keep up to others with its sustained damage, and that's the ONLY time it can parse like other classes... and that's never needed in pvp, and it's also not always needed in PVE either. Look at lethality parse in the average fight, however, and it will tell a different tale....

Why exactly are they nerfing a discipline that is barely viable in PVE and a joke in PVP? I PVP with lethality, mainly because it's not really preferred in PVE and I enjoy playing it in PVP since nobody else does and it has decent survivability. I struggle in PVP due to lack of burst damage, but it's a fun class to play in PVP so I just suck it up and assume it's a safe bet since it's underpowered and will likely not get nerfed. Or at least I thought.... Shouldn't they be working on making lethality and concealment more viable? Does this nerf make sense to the rest of you?