[Crafting Changes Coming in December (6.0.2)]

See this thread for clarification: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=971484

 

And you might be interested in these as well: http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/11142019/game-update-6.0.1

 

Thanks looks like i'm heading back to eso in a couple days .

[Crafting Changes Coming in December (6.0.2)]

Soo crafting is the only thing that is going to be in 6.0.2 patch ?

or will other changes also be included?

[Maintenance: November 12th]

lol Dude you need to chill. Didn't even read all that rambling.

 

All I see is someone trying their best to be pro-dev at the expense of everyone else. Unless they paying you for it, chillax mate.

 

pro-dev

 

yes because i'm actually being reasonable im prodev lol

 

at the expense of everyone else

 

LOL LOL LOL LOL omg yes ...you and the other ranting inthe post are have been wrong so grievously it unimaginable ....how on earth do you survive ?????

 

its more reasonable to assume that both my latest posts in this thread logical and reasonable as a result completely destroyed your argument..

 

sooooo this failed attempt at a comeback is the best response you could come up with .

 

like the last poster all you succeed in doing is proving to everyone reading just how

 

" unreasonable Im a customer and that justifies any rant entitled attitude. and as someone who has a is entitled enough to blatantly state what is proper and when as well as is of the opinion that the devs need to answer to and explain and justify all their their decision to them again for the whole reason of " i'm a customer and therefore entitled to it "

 

well hope you all the other ranter whining over 0.020 cent worth of lost value manage to find a way to survive this terrible wrong that has been done to you. LOL ...

 

AWWWW oohh i almost forgot you didn't finish your raid ....omg i bet that has ruined your entire week . LOL

[Maintenance: November 12th]

So why are you sucking up to the devs? Is this what you do in real life when your boss or a store clerk screws you? Some of us pay money to spend time in this game. It would be nice to be appreciated is all. And yes, I found something else to do. It seems like we shouldn't just accept it when we are not treated well.

 

i'm not sucking up i am just being reasonable. this also just proves people perceptions of "not treated well" or "being screwed" can also be completely ridiculous if you are even going to try to compare it to a boss or store screwing you .

 

yes ...i can just imagine what kind of thing you rage at offline .it actually makes me laugh

 

LOL losing a few hours or and EVEN AN ENTIRE DAY time perhaps even more due to some unexpected maintenance I would not freak out about money being lost is negligible . ...you realize the the subscription on a per day basis ..is only around

 

.5us cent a day it's just a video game and life is not going to end.

 

In this case since the down time was only an hour you actually only lost approximately 0.020 cents worth of value....if that is enough for you to rage then ...wow ...just wow

 

I paid for subscription to multiple games and have not even logged into one of them before yes people do play more than one game . shocking isn't it . (inb4 well you must be rich then because normal people who work don't do that lol)

 

that's what a reasonable person does ...ohh unscheduled maintenance ok no worries i'll go for a walk ..watch some tv ..go play another game .......not rage because

 

OMG i lost an hour i paid for ...you completely screwed me i lost my progress / wasn't able to play when i came home !!!! you treated me soooo bad I demand compensation for my lost hour because im a CUSTOMER an i paid for this service and i'm ENTITLED to it . .

 

if you think that entitles you to "compensation " because you are being screw ....seriously....there are no words that would give that justice ...facepalm doesn't even come close

 

LOL FYI all of us are spending money to play the game if we are posting here sooo really.. ....i don't know what you were trying to prove there because like the rest of your argument completely failed but did go further to proven the " unreasonably entitled customer " point,

[Thank you Devs for the difficulty bump - overall, it feels just right finally.]

You can keep saying things over and over again, but that doesn't make it true.

 

Just because you say over and over again the population is doing better than previous expansions doesn't make it true. The fleet is at half the size it was three weeks ago, which is pretty much par for the course over the past few expansions.

 

You can say over and over again this is about solo players not feeling catered to, but that doesn't make it true when you have OPs players and Solo players both upset over the changes in scaling (the root cause of the difficulty bump). You act like there are solo players on here upset they can't solo MM FPs when that's never been the discussion. You say solo players have things for them, like heroics. Heroics are the thing solo players are mostly discussing. So the fact that you keep trying to change this into "Oh solo players don't feel catered to" is disingenuous at best. If you want to point to some examples of solo players upset about not being able to solo MM FPs or OPs be my guest because from what I've seen its people upset about the spike in difficulty in solo content (eg. Heroics).

 

You can say over and over again that these changes make the game more of an MMO again, but that doesn't make it true when no one is actually forming more groups to tackle the things that are being discussed here (such as heroics). In fact pretty much the only groups being formed are for RR and HS.

 

You've yet to explain why so many people have made complaints about the OPs scaling, Vet FPs being scaled poorly for groups, etc. on this thread (to a small extent) and on numerous threads. You've yet to show how "solo players are upset they aren't being catered to" when what people are upset about is the difficulty spike in content that was soloable before 6.0. All you do is say the same thing over and over again, acting like if you say it enough it will make it true.

 

this ^^^^ good post

 

Just because you say over and over again the population is doing better than previous expansions doesn't make it true

 

the scary part is i think they actually believe everything they post and they think if they keep repeating the same thing ..that other will believe it ... the truth is they are starting to sound like a broken record .

 

and your right no matter how much they spew their doctrine tis not going to be any more true.

[Thank you Devs for the difficulty bump - overall, it feels just right finally.]

Not seeing that on Satele Shan, at least not so far as operations, flashpoints, conquest and PVP goes.

 

Then again, those are also the areas the gear grind is focusing people into.

 

If you want to make the argument that dailies have been left behind, I could easily see that. I could also see that to a lesser degree with heroics but heroics still have a place in terms of grinding out credits.

 

I know I've gotten some flack for simply pointing out my observations, but that doesn't mean I don't think solo play shouldn't be rewarded either in areas where it's appropriate.

 

I'd love to see the gear grind come to all dailies instead of just Onderon, and heroics to have their gear beefed up a little as well. Would also love to see tech fragments offered as rewards for completing these.

 

I do however think that solo play should cut out at blue tier mods, with one notable exception.

 

I think the eternal championship should offer purple and gold tier mods and set bonuses, as well as tech fragments.

 

do you actually read the stuff you write

just one example out of that whole mess

 

do however think that solo play should cut out at blue tier mods, with one notable exception.

 

your rhetoric is getting boring ... your as fanatical as they come .....as is your "theories" that swtors woes are do to a lack of group / hard mode play . or increase because of it in 60 with no credible evidence other than i see more people ..... Do you track all those people ?

 

despite what keither and the cult of grouping and hardmode says ..6.0 has been a disaster in many ways .

 

At least what i propose benefits everyone ...EVERYTHING should be solo friendly and pay out the same regardless difficulty. You are simply an elitist that is spinning the story the way that benefits you most as explained here but you blatantly ignored.

 

Companion should be boosted like they were when they had item stats and you could do veteran FP solo .

which wouldn't be necessary if everyone was treated the same and go the same and could genuinely play their way no matter if its story mode or master.

 

Everything should be solo with group "options" and there is enough ways to adjust your gear ,companion and abilities for anyone to make it as hard as they want without affecting everyone else.

 

 

And how do you know this is not just because of other factors other than difficulty and group

 

honestly imo this is just more MMO = group cult propaganda.

 

IMO there are a term for people with your position ...vocal minority as I also believe ( and have just as much statistics as you do for your claims none ) that the hardcore content , raiders etc are just a small niche faction of the overall population compared with soloing store driven easy mode players.

 

Honestly as i said in my long unsubbed post to keith http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=971484&page=3

 

If you really wanna see what your demographics are ... make everything equal ... give the solo easy mode the raids and other group content but keep the loot table the same no matter what you do.

 

My OPINION is that the "hard content" and "group" crowd is artificially inflated with people who don't really want to but feel they have to due to design and if given the chance to get the same rewards and the same contest solo I think the vast majority would do so.

 

YOU would then also see people whine about group ques not popping ...which would mean ..that the

 

people who want to group would actually have to put in effort to find others that did since the people being forced to would not be there anymore.

 

and then that group would be whining and unsubbing on the forums ....I have been here long enough to see the raiders and hard core poele complaining about too easy . not enough ops ops not hard enough

 

even when multiple people try to give them suggestion on how to make the content harder for them filling up the forums

 

just like the solo er are doing now .

 

So since you make all these posts with demands for communication , solutions for their serves and pats on the back for the rise in difficulty maybe you can start giving suggestions on how to make the game easier ...how someone can solo contented now without having to go to a 20 hour course on how to "git gud"

 

I did not have to "learn" anything before i just used stuff i thought was cool and mashed buttons ...I could just have fun how I wanted to have fun....

 

please since you seem to like to make posts on behalf of the community and try to give suggestion about everything else . give me some tips on how I can play the way I want to play like solo player have given tips on how to make the game harder for people who wanted it .

 

Or is it a case of as long as you're happy nothing else matters ?

 

honestly i read though some of you posts and i can't find anything I can actually agree with including what i thought was very entitled post DEMANDING communication. no suggesting , not asking ...Demanding.

 

It's their game when they have something to communicate they will tell us when THEY feel it's the right time and that is a perfectly legitimate right. regardless of what "other " devs teams do...

 

but let me guess ...Your a "CUSTOMER" and are "ENTITLED" to "DEMAND" to information when "YOU" want it because "CUSTOMER " right?

[Maintenance: November 12th]

Well I'm NA but it was annoying as we had just started an HM Ops when we got the notice. So now have a 2nd to LBLO because group couldn't finish in time due to random maintenance on something that YES could have been patched Thurs.

 

Unless the Devs state otherwise, there was nothing game breaking about Season 12 starting & it counting right now. All they had to do was make the announcement, like they did, and even put in the launcher a message if they wanted & voila ratings reset Thurs & Season turned back off.

It's just PvP/Elo, not Season rewards. Hence why I don't understand why they "emergency patched" it.

 

" YES could have been patched Thurs"

omg the arrogance.

 

"Hence why I don't understand why they "emergency patched"

 

you don't need to? andthe fact that you think you do speak volumes

 

i have to give you credit at least you didn't think you deserved compensation for your "inconvenience"

 

so jsut to recap now .......according to you and other ranters in here devs need to justify and ask permission before doing something they feel is important at the time they feel it needs to be done.

 

ok........yea ..sure.... **facepalm**

 

...thanks for proving my above point about some players entitlement issues i never said the EU had cornered the market on it .

 

 

Again the part you cut out was in the middle of something too...but omg ..you were "raiding" a omg got inconvenienced. and of course that is more important than what i was doing .

[Maintenance: November 12th]

lol chill...... it was only an hour ........

 

you got to love forum communities .. any of you really think that if it could wait till thursday they would have done that

 

*****News Flash****

NA company working on NA times

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Soo yes EU can possible get more down times than others.. .that's just how it is ... oohh but again "other games "

 

I know this may come as a shock to some but really EU is not the center of the universe not EVERYTHING can be scheduled around "EU" .... and compensation ?? seriously ????.....wow definition of entitlement

 

I am not exactly happy with bioware right now in fact I just unsubbed

...nor am i a pvper

but I was busy doing stuff in game so it's not just EU that got screwed Everyone did .

 

The difference is some of us are actually reasonable even when not happy with them and realize this stuff happens just used the time to do other things..not immediately log in and rage and demand compensation.

 

Seriously rage over an hour maintenance for something that need to be fixed now is just unreal... and completely unreasonable .

[What would you like to see in the next expansion?]

1 LI content

2 story

3 companion buff charter buff .. and major world nerfs

[Thank you Devs for the difficulty bump - overall, it feels just right finally.]

And yet - the servers say differently.

 

Look, I get the frustration. BUT.

 

Its not like every outgoing group doesn't do the whole "AND BIOWARE WILL RUE THE DAY THEY CROSSED ME! RUE! FOR THEY ARE DOOMED, DOOMED I TELL YA, BY THEIR MISBEGOTTEN PLANS! RUUUUUEEEE!!!!" routine.

 

And they are still here. And the servers are still more filled than I have seen them in quite some time, not to mention by this point after an expansion, we normally would be seeing a decrease in server numbers, whereas going by what I've been seeing, the servers, at least Satele Shan, has remained steady and perhaps even INCREASED in activity.

 

So yeah. I think they won't be regretting this decision.

 

And how do you know this is not just because of other factors other than difficulty and group

 

honestly imo this is just more MMO = group cult propaganda.

 

IMO there are a term for people with your position ...vocal minority as I also believe ( and have just as much statistics as you do for your claims none ) that the hardcore content , raiders etc are just a small niche faction of the overall population compared with soloing store driven easy mode players.

 

Honestly as i said in my long unsubbed post to keith http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=971484&page=3

 

If you really wanna see what your demographics are ... make everything equal ... give the solo easy mode the raids and other group content but keep the loot table the same no matter what you do.

 

My OPINION is that the "hard content" and "group" crowd is artificially inflated with people who don't really want to but feel they have to due to design and if given the chance to get the same rewards and the same contest solo I think the vast majority would do so.

 

YOU would then also see people whine about group ques not popping ...which would mean ..that the

 

people who want to group would actually have to put in effort to find others that did since the people being forced to would not be there anymore.

 

and then that group would be whining and unsubbing on the forums ....I have been here long enough to see the raiders and hard core poele complaining about too easy . not enough ops ops not hard enough

 

even when multiple people try to give them suggestion on how to make the content harder for them filling up the forums

 

just like the solo er are doing now .

 

So since you make all these posts with demands for communication , solutions for their serves and pats on the back for the rise in difficulty maybe you can start giving suggestions on how to make the game easier ...how someone can solo contented now without having to go to a 20 hour course on how to "git gud"

 

I did not have to "learn" anything before i just used stuff i thought was cool and mashed buttons ...I could just have fun how I wanted to have fun....

 

please since you seem to like to make posts on behalf of the community and try to give suggestion about everything else . give me some tips on how I can play the way I want to play like solo player have given tips on how to make the game harder for people who wanted it .

 

Or is it a case of as long as you're happy nothing else matters ?

 

honestly i read though some of you posts and i can't find anything I can actually agree with including what i thought was very entitled post DEMANDING communication. no suggesting , not asking ...Demanding.

 

It's their game when they have something to communicate they will tell us when THEY feel it's the right time and that is a perfectly legitimate right. regardless of what "other " devs teams do...

 

but let me guess ...Your a "CUSTOMER" and are "ENTITLED" to "DEMAND" to information when "YOU" want it because "CUSTOMER " right?

[Checking In!]

Hey everyone,

 

 

Let’s talk about Onslaught! Like many of you, I have been really enjoying the expansion and all the changes we made for gearing. I now have quite a few toons up to level 75 and virtually all of them are at Item Rating 306. I’m spending time changing stats of individual items, playing around with amplifiers, and seeing what changes will make me feel OP. What feels good is being able to play anything in the game and benefiting from the new gearing system. I also have read many comments over the past couple weeks about areas you’d like to see changed, and as you’ll see starting with next week’s patch, we are addressing them and will continue refinements over the coming months. Keep the posts coming as they’ve been very helpful to the team.

 

We are extremely pleased with the launch of the expansion.

 

 

Happy Holidays,

 

Keith

 

Hi Keith

 

I unsubbed because I WAS NOT happy with what you did in 6.0.

 

I assume you are part of the "like challenge" "niche " camp because that is the only way you could have enjoyed this.

 

In case you didn't see it I have copy and pasted the long version of unsub feedback form as I had to cut a lot out 2000 characters was not enough to fully express my disdain even though I gave you credit for 2 things that I was happy about the cons completely outweigh the pros.

 

**Side note **

I remember the days when Kira could fight anything and destroy ...the most fun I had in swtor was soloing a heroic 4 or flash point and letting Kira just destroy everything while I just sat back and healed her then you took away their item stats.

 

then came level sync which basically prevents you from being op down to just being able to survive.

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So yes keith there have been several times someone in SWTOR has stopped me from " playing my way" and having fun

 

Also worth mentioning ,,

"harder challenge people can do alot to make the game harder "

easy mode people can't do anything to make it easier

 

Here is the long version of unsub report below

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First I will start of by saying you did 2 things right and I do appreciate it .

 

1. Kira is finally back.

for a moment ..then back to...no interaction.

 

2. No story content locked behind group / pvp play

 

I am still unscribing because you got Two deal breaker things majorly wrong which was also described by a fellow posters

 

1 The biggest things is not enough companion / li interaction as someone else has pointed out as well

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=970768

 

and other threads like it

 

To make me happy personally the minimum of these points would have to happen..

• every expansion should have as much flirts, affection cutscenes and conversation as the original class stories did.
   
  
• they should also have comments when talking to quest npc as well like in the class story
   
  
• in a perfect world they would have have a repeatable cutscene and "affection" tab as well ( mass effect 2 end game cabin type)
  

 

2 you make diametrically opposed statement statements like "play your way " and ...harder content get better rewards ....

 

Logically Risk / reward effort /reward should not be a factor in a "play your own way system"

 

If someone finds their primary source of "fun" in content that takes "strategy" "knowing how to play " knowing mechanics" and 60 min of smashing buttons to clear one piece of content

 

.... why are they any better or deserve "better rewards" than people who don't??

 

The Motivation should NOT be "better loot" the PRIMARY reason they should be doing is because they enjoy doing it because that is the way they "Choose to play"

 

Level sync defeats the whole purpose of gear because you can never be "overpowered" anymore and raising difficulty content in a broad you are basically saying..." your fun is wrong if you don't like "challenge and want reward without "effort and "risk"

 

Why are you discriminating against someone who like to feel like they are a powerful unstoppable hero and can clear a veteran FP just solo with their companion smashing everything into oblivion without out every mob taking 5 min or the flash points IN STORY MODE taking 30 min or more to complete.

 

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IoNonSoEVero

10.28.2019 , 02:55 PM | #9

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*shrug* to each their own. I just know I'm not even bothering with daily areas and heroics anymore because they are no longer fun or worth doing. I'm playing through Onslaught on my characters and have already unsubscribed. I have nothing to do with my main anymore. She can't do the daily areas like Section X because the H4s have been returned, the veteran flashpoints she did for fun are no longer doable, and I find no fun in "danger" in taking three times as long to see a mob go down or watching my health bar decrease.

 

The change has also made it easier for players to be harassed and ninjaed by others since you can no longer click the objective first and then fight if you want to live, so anyone can swoop in and steal it.

 

As a solo player they have sent a very strong message that players like me are no longer welcome in the game

 

I have read through some of IoNonSoEVero post and generally agree with the ones that I have read and consider them to be a poster of high quality.

 

So there you have it Keith one players personal opinion ( and a quote from another ) of 6.0 you literally took one step forward with the main story being soloable ....but you took 2 steps back with the other points that I mentioned.

 

The game is simply not fun for me .. if you want an example of a fun MMO ESO would be a game to look at there are higher level stuff that you need to group for but ...with no companion...I am to a point now where I can clear some group content completely solo.. just smash though...that's fun and its the type of fun I had once upon a time in swtor

 

please fix both points and maybe if you do it right you will get me back as a regular sub.

 

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INB4 ** REEEEE** MMO means group ..i joined a mmo not single player game

 

LOL I see the MMO = group people are still alive and well.....one of the reasons i left this forms . Iseem to do better solo in ESO without a companion than i do here.....is ESO not a MMO ?..MMO means multiple people can play in the same environment at the same time ...it does not mean players MUST play together for it to be a "MMO" as I stated with my ESO example

 

INB4 REEEE harder group content deserves better loot because effort /risk reward etc

 

harder content and raids are niche and the PRIMARY you should be doing such content because you enjoy it ..not because there is better loot... if you don't dont hard content because it "pays" the same as easy content ..then you are proving my point ...you are not doing it for "fun and challenge " you are doing it for better loot.

 

Ib4 REEEE "group ques would die if everything could be done easy /solo"

 

1. that statement itself proves my point completely .. like harder content it would simply show what people are doing for other reason than "enjoyment"

 

2. if you want to do such que instead of forcing people to do it for reason other than enjoyment ..the onus should be on the players to put the work in to find other player who have the same interests and not really on a que in the first place

 

IB4 REEE swtor is not a dating sim......

 

i guess you haven't played the class stories or any bioware game ...im a m just asking for continuation on what defines most of biowares games.

 

I know i probably missed a lot of the reeee and flames form certain niche factions of this form this post will attract but those are my response to the major onesI think will pop up

[Lack of Interaction with Your LI in expansions.]

you are definitely not alone in fact this is one of the 2 major reason why I unsubbed tired of Bioware not putting any effort into it. 20 days left

https://ibb.co/sVsmNyp

[Thank you Devs for the difficulty bump - overall, it feels just right finally.]

The idea may have been based on a solo perspective, but the game that launched was definitely an MMO designed for group play.

 

LOL I see the MMO = group people are still alive and well.....one of the reasons i left this forms . Iseem to do better solo in ESO without a companion than i do here.....is ESO not a MMO ?..MMO means multiple people can play in the same environment at the same time ...it does not mean players MUST play together for it to be a "MMO" as I stated with my ESO example

 

I dont pvp in this game but still your "learn to play" (PVP and PVE) comments remind me of people raging in LOL for various petty reasons yet they still join random ques instead of forming their own teams....ever consider some just like running around hitting things and having fun while playing ....the outcome (win/loss) being a secondary aspect?

 

just something to consider.

[Thank you Devs for the difficulty bump - overall, it feels just right finally.]

*shrug* to each their own. I just know I'm not even bothering with daily areas and heroics anymore because they are no longer fun or worth doing. I'm playing through Onslaught on my characters and have already unsubscribed. I have nothing to do with my main anymore. She can't do the daily areas like Section X because the H4s have been retuned, the veteran flashpoints she did for fun are no longer doable, and I find no fun in "danger" in taking three times as long to see a mob go down or watching my health bar decrease.

 

The change has also made it easier for players to be harassed and ninjaed by others since you can no longer click the objective first and then fight if you want to live, so anyone can swoop in and steal it.

 

As a solo player they have sent a very strong message that players like me are no longer welcome in the game.

 

+ 1 to all of this posters comments .

 

Also ...UNSUBBED...have 20 days left.

 

https://ibb.co/sVsmNyp

[Stop forcing Group content]

I'll play the board game Monopoly

 

Also, has anyone else noticed that the OP hasn't responded in four pages? Sounds like we were all caught by the troll.

 

I have not responded because it's pointless to... just like you whole argument... completely pointless...your examples are pure facepalm material. Really comparing a board game that does not function without 2 players and painting which is actual work..not a video game. .... you completely proved earlier my point about elitism and bribing people to play / join certain thing they normally would not as well... IMO of course

 

TBH i wasn't going to even respond to the initial responses because experience has taught it's not worthwhile to....The game is not the only thing i gave up on this forum as well. Getting into a discussion with the "hardcores" or the MMO =group is like a broken record....i have already proven with fact that its not by definition true.

 

but for some reason i did ...just like i am wasting my time to respond to you.

 

I quit subbing ages ago when they started this new storyline ..got rid of all companions and started "forcing" which companion I had to have in my party at any given time

 

Thankfully sub runs out sometime today or tomorrow so don't expect any more responses I only sub once a year now if that ... 15.00 per year for all the content is still only very barely worth it . The only good thing about this game if you sub for one month you get everything you missed ( other than the bonus dlc) ( which i want interested in any way would never use them) no matter how long you have been unsubbed.

 

this was a message for bioware not the public since CS team refused to forward it...

 

since bioware does not have any private feedback options that i am aware of other then when you cancel your sub.

 

This game died for me for the most part at the end of the class stories IMO.

[Stop forcing Group content]

Believe what you want dude, but your idea of a MMO is very different from what most players believes a MMO is.

 

I stopped taking your post seriously after your claim that you wanted the same rewards for less work or difficulty level.

 

Nice troll post.

 

nice troll response...sorry but it doesn't matter what you "believe" ...if you want to believe red is white ...that is you right ..doesn't make it fact.

[Stop forcing Group content]

Yeah stop forcing people to group up in an MMO....

 

LOL that's the best you could come up with ....?.......obviously my above points were too much for you.

[Stop forcing Group content]

Actually MMO means Massive Multiplayer Online ... so yeah it kinda does, nulliifying your whole point. MULTIPLAYER. Get used to being forced to play group content, if you can't or don't want to, well that's to bad but that means you don't have access to everything, but that is your choice.

 

Multiplayer does not mean group....you take every bit of group contented out of swtor it is still by definition a MMO because multiple people are accessing the same environment in real time. That is the only requirement for a massively multiplayer game.

 

.. take second like it has no raids or pvp or even story of its own it's still a mmo .

 

"Second Life is an online virtual world, developed and owned by the San Francisco-based firm ...... 2006, former Governor of Virginia Mark Warner became the first politician to appear in a MMO when he gave a speech in Second Life"

 

Soo you are very wrong.

[Stop forcing Group content]

I was sympathetic to you, since I don't like solo storylines leading into group content and operations you can't remove from your mission log - BUT - you want to have the same rewards for group content and a solo alternative? No, just no.

 

Request a solo alternative to group content to see the storylines, that would be fine, but to get the same the rewards as people who did the harder content is not fine.

 

Shadow of Revan is done right - you can go solo, or do the operation. The story is finished by doing either, but the rewards are different because the content and difficulty level is not the same.

 

Why do harder level deserve inherently deserve more? that is a very elitist comment...what makes your preference of play better than the others?

 

...You are supposed to do harder levels because you Enjoy doing harder levels ...not because you are paid more.

 

If you say that you would not do harder levels if you were "paid" the same as weasy levels ...then you have just proved my point I made inthe image. You are not doing it because you enjoy it but because you want more loot..

 

That's why Bioware does it. its also way they hide things like M1 4X companion in pvp and making raids part ofthe story and undroppable, give bonuses to joining a guild........they have to "bribe" people because the player base is to small for group activities that they need to artificially inflate it.

 

The fact that both of you are arguing against my point....of "freedom of choice" and letting very play mode stand on its own merits and seeing which survive .

 

How can either of you argue against pure freedom of choice ..unless there is some merit to what post said?

[Stop forcing Group content]

If you want access to everything in the game, then *play* everything in the game.

 

You bought an MMO knowing it's an MMO and now you want everything to be single player. Single player should *never* be the focus of any MMO and should *always* be limited.

 

Ok, I want all the PvP rewards by crafting stuff. I mean, you say everything should be equal regardless of play style, right?

 

I have a better suggestion for you: don't buy MMOs.

 

I disagree with you ...mmo does not mean group especially in SWTOR MMO is simply a platform where multiple people access the same content in real time. it's not inherently about guild raids pvp or any of that those are simply aspects of the game.

 

As I said give everyone freedom of choice...if the group ques / pvp dies ..the play base has spoken.

[Stop forcing Group content]

Message in Image

 

screenshot of cs ticket

[KotFE Community Assessment]

Please don't hijack this thread. Thank you.

 

My apologies again it was someone of the "group" mentality that hijacked it originally I was merely praising someone for standing up to them and cautioning them on repeated attempts to do so. Due to their zealous mindset and beliefs. Your correct I should have taken my own advice on my second comment and apologies for feeding them further.

 

I can assure you I will take my advice from now on won't feed them any more

[KotFE Community Assessment]

Pot meet Kettle.

 

Now back to our regularly scheduled OP assessment.

 

I should take my own advice and not bother responding to this comment but this is easy to disprove and you just gave my post validation with your comment .

 

This will be the only comment you get

 

As referenced by the example comment they respond to

 

what i state is not an opinion but fact there is a difference. Its not "mandatory" to have raids, or any other organized group content to be classified a multiplayer online game .

 

All you need is a platform that allows multiple people to log on to the same environment in real time .

 

Which Swtor does so when i say that if you take out all of the organized group activities Swtor and all games like it would still be classified as MMO that is a fact not an opinion.

 

so your comment is not only completely wrong but again proves everything i said regarding the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning to champion a cause

[KotFE Community Assessment]

What makes you think you're entitled to judge someone by how they play the game, or try to publicly shame them for honestly answering a questionnaire? They pay for it, they're entitled to play however they want and share that experience.

 

You're not the arbiter of the proper way to enjoy anything, okay?

 

Going through this and saw your response wanted to say you answered that perfectly.

 

People who use terms like they did and others like "if there isn't raids its a "single player game" not a mmo"." MMO means grouping" "group content is the "core" of the MMO and try to ram that down other peoples throats as actual "fact" are not worth dealing with . Especially in a thread like this where everyone is simply answering questions based on their own opinion.

 

Its simply because they have a Zealous self centered belief and use invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning to champion their cause an example of this is in the very quote you commented on.

 

There is enough evidence on the factual definition of a mmo and even evidence in SWTOR from the start of the game there has been more solo content available to qualify as the "core" of the game and Bioware is even adding to the amount that is already there .

 

The evidence is clear just in this game alone group content has been a supplementary addition played by the niche group of a loud vocal minority. ( nothing wrong with that my point is that its not the core of the game . Swtor would still be a MMO without it )

 

Anyways personally I just ignore such comments now, I wasted enough of my time on them trying to reason with them that statements like above regarding group content are factually invalid , that group content is "not a mandatory requirement " to be classified as a mmo and the simple fact that playing a mmo like SWTOR /WOW /GW2 and many others "solo" is actually more common than they would like to believe .

 

This is just a suggestion If I was you I would do the same from now on as you will never get them to see actual logic and reason and its really not worth wasting the time on them do to their closed minds and zealous beliefs

[Is this lack of communication normal?]

Why is this thread even still open? The gang is out in full force with their strong arm tactics and abrasiveness. Lock this sucker down, there's no reasonable discussion going on here apart from the gangs usual circle jerk.

 

I second that mods if your listening this Thread should have been shut down ages ago.