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the blanket nerf is not lazy, if healing is a problem lets focus more on endurance TTK and lest on HPS ttk hence the blanket nerf, justified by 1 - all healers perform the same in pvp, and they perform fairly well, 5% won't hurt the game, no change wont hurt it either. 2 - pve is a joke in this game and the hardest challenges are on farm mode very early after their release. this taunting thing you describe is not adding to the game it makes an out of gcd spell that has to be used mindfully at the moment become equaully intresting regardless of whom it is thrown upon, it makes the game shallower, not deeper.

@ OP Stupid idea, i vote agsint. blanket nerf heal in both pvp and pve by 5% or something else, this taunting mechanism you speak about just feels ridiculous, I'd hate to se such a thing implemented. there are healing debufs in the game already there could be more, but I certainly don't want taunts to be an ability you can mindlessly throw on anyone everytime it is up.

@deaddogbarking , you are so full of sh.t. you post ins't worth quoting for breakdown point by point disembermend, every sentence , every assertion you make is more ignorant, ridiculous, and incredible than the one preceeding it. Come back to reality, play an operative healer, or whatever spec, I dare you pull even a single one of the tricks you describe.

@DarthRaika That is a very bitter post, you have to understand most premade players including myself and a fair bunch of other I know do solo queue a lot too. but the minute a friend logs in or the instant I get bored of doing things in my corner I ll group with anyone I know and I know plenty cause I run WZ 95% of the time I spend online. no-one ever said , sorry no I don't want to group with you. Point is you and me are the same we have a job, we have a wife, we can't spend 14 h a day online, and even if we could we probably wouldn't, but when we play we do our best, this is the whole point of doing pvp in such a game IMHO, doing your best as an individual and as a team, I have the feeling peope; who go pvp, solo or not, just to get comms don't really want to do their best, they want a bit of challenge but are not ready to step up if the slightest difficulty arise, and they feel compelled to do pvp because their is a carrot ( dailies and weeklies) and they are addicted to carrots. And then they fail a having fun cause they are focused on frustration of being outmatched, and the frustration of the carrot becoming elusive. @Arkerus You are absolutely right, solo players keep the queues alive, and that is the problem, groups of players sharing a common experience and a common goal, mindfull of other's gameplay and fun, synergising and chatting over voice comm or ingame channels should be the ones keeping the queues alive. Hence why I think there should be an incentive to help people say hello to each other and chat and share while doing PVP, there is very little diffrence between a guild base premade and a premade of 4 peope who only barely knew each other 2 hours ago and are now getting to know each others all four on voice comms and trying to work as one. I'dlike the game design to help/push people to socialise and share instead of endorsing/enabling people into more solo selfcentric autosatisfactory multi(lonely)player. I am sorry if you feel the post look like bashing on PUGS, the object is to transform PUGers into Premaders, even if those premades are not fit for ranked, which is another ballgame, even Unranked should be gone to with a teamplay and voluntary mindset, and as said above, 80% of premades even those going to ranked can be taken on by a group of 4 peple willing to do their best, thereis only a tiny minority of players who are individually and teamswise so much above the rest of us others that the match is guarateed lost before it even started and I am sorry as casual gamers we can handle a loss every 5 matches, it keeps us in touch with reality. When you go into a volley ball contest on the seashore during the summer, even if you went alone, you have more fun after you have socialized with other guys in your team and try to serve them best or transform their effort with your efforts into a point instead of ranting in your corner everytimes someone misses a smash a pass a block or a save and the other guys who went as a group of 4 friends have it easier.

. that is a fail opener, 1 - this spe is played all in. if you don't break their neck before they realize what is going on and they put themeselves together, you lose unless you fight a noob, you need to waste their mobility dot and and kite or flashbang heal and prepare a probe+do+acid backstab burst reopening on them or dot and combatrestealth after the opener to keep the ball in your hands, if you already go into last ditch lacerate/shiv spam you are basically only dependant on their skill ( or lack theiroff ) to pull the victory. 2 - even providing you fight a manekin, you are overstacking TAs HS > 1 - Shiv > 2 blablabla Shiv > 3 oops no max stack is 2 one TA wasted. 3 - lacerate,lacerate oops TAs are over, had you popped a corrosive dart earlier in the loop, and you d have a series of 3 sometimes 4 lacerate as a finish spam streak during witch you can shiv for an even longer streak and keep you damage buff up. 4 - why use your explosive probe while enemy is eating the grass in front of you, that is a waste of the mobility control, debilitate offer, debilitate is sued to ensure you can land those melee hits. Burning your explosive probe early in the fight is somewhat good idea for the CD, so it might be up again before the fight is over, but I'd rather save if for later if io want to kite another melee where being in cover will have some nice anti gap closing ability, or if i am being kited to have some punch at 30meters. 5 - (Acid Blade if you can), the only way you can't acid blade when you need it is if you try to use it twice in a row on 2 following GCd and i don't see any reason why this should ever happen. While a much better rotation than the previous one and we have the all in feel into it already, this still aplly. 1 - unless you have extremely high alacrity and popped your stimm there is a gap before your debilitate and you are giving the enemy an opportunity to take control of the fight early without forcing him to pop his stunbreaker. and possibly forcing you to burn yours. 2 - cc, call inc, your later stunlock and control of the fight rythm will be dictated by your ability to delay or work around the time resolves goes away, it works in your rotation cause you restealth but if you want to keep the opportunity to use the other followups efficiently, and save your vanish for later in the fight you might want to avoid filling 80% of his resolve gauge before even starting the fight unless you have the improved sleep dart cause of hybrid spec, in which case you don't have acid blade and i am not sure it is a good tradeoff when fighting a squishy. 3 - why use your explosive probe while enemy is eating the grass in front of you that is a waste of your mobility control. Burning your explosive probe early in the fight is somewhat good idea for the CD it might be up again before the fight is over, but I'd rather save if for later if io want to kite another melee where being in cover will have some nice anti gap closing ability, or if i am being kited to have some punch at 30meters.

As a lethality operative based on best average damage on those abilities in a WZ PVP environment. this breakdown doesn't really work as intended for a PVE lethality agent who will manage his mana and rotation very diffrently. Cull Corrosive grenade corrosive dart the stats that boost your damage most are Good returns ( ~ 1.6-1.8% dps / 100 points ) 1 - Cunning : NO LIMIT 2 - Power / tech power : NO LIMIT 3 - Alacrity : NO LIMIT Fair returns (1.3-1.6% dps / 100 points ) 1 - Surge : until 100-150 points Bad returns (1% dps / 100 points ) 1 - crit rate : best left at 0 if possible, It is very unlikely you have enough alacrity to push alacrity under the 1% / 100 pts returns, and if your surge isn't 300 pts same goes for it. No returns 1 - accuracy : best left at 0, Alternative build, less flat more (unpredictable) burst Note that these stats above are articulated around you playing the wear down card, increasing your average damage output in a reliable fashion in a widespan of situations ranging from group DPS/hps powerstruggle to 1 vs 1 node cap. In a 1v1 situation applying dots fast is less important and hence alacrity interest is slightly moderated, but it is still important to shock people with a stunning fast serie of 2-3 culls and alacrity/stims help here. Also you might want to play the card of unexpected wrecking hits to throw healers off balance/ take them down on a lucky crit every once in a while in which case you will want to stack less alacrity and invest into surge instead. But remember that the damage weight of power and cunning on your damage is going to be twice that of surge once you hit 300-400 surge so it is never a good idea to sacrifice one of these in favor of more surge. also remember that if you are really after performing well in 1v1 concealment when played properly offers more possibilities for it than leathality. Baseline 1 - Cunning : NO LIMIT 2 - Power / tech power : NO LIMIT 3 - Alacrity : NO LIMIT but invested into surge instead Burst boosts 1 - Surge : NO LIMIT 2 - Critrate : 1/4th of your surge rating and no higher than your alacrity rating. Useless 1 - accuracy : best left at 0,

I have a stack of 354 medpacks , i still can't use a second one even if the fight has been going on for 3 minutes, though i still have 353 left. There is no other logic to be found than that devoted to balancing the game.

ouais ben sur BM ca proc comem avant par contre on tombe sur du full outsider, ca fait presque de la peine de gagner, j'ai l'impression de faire du PVE avec des mobs, je préferrais perdre dignement contre les quelques guildes décentes en PvP qu'on avait, que de gagner ces parodies de battleground ou je dézingue des lemmings courrants répititivement les uns derrière les autres vers leur inéluctable décès.

I see this ranked comms drama you have drifted to, And the underlying problem behind that thread becomes more and more obvious. You guys don't care about PvP you care about comms, what spoils the pvp fun in this game is the solo players running after their daylies/weeklies and commendations. They don't try to improve, they don't want to improve, so they sit here in the WZ and expect to win it without even trying but for some reason, they feel compelled to do something they shouldn't ... PVP, So they can get some gear What are they going ot do with that gear I really can't tell, it looks the same as PVE, it underperforms PVE gear in every aspect save openworld PVP, and WZs and in WZs the bonus you get from it is so slim it is not even worth wasting your time on partisan ( and further less conqueror) if you don't really do pvp all day long. What they should do to solve PVP in this game is. 1 - Implement a "Player's Casual PvP Performance Index" or PCPPI, That index would fluctate based solely on Win/Loss in Unranked battleground, depending on your team's PCPPIs and other teams PCPPIs, number of players and time of participation to the WZ. fast and easy math to compute for a server. 2 - Depending on Win or Loss and Who you were matched against you would be given commendation, more for defeating betetr ranked players obviously. 3 - The matchmaking system would take PCPPI into its priority considerations when creating a game to help matching goods with goods in high stakes commendation and valor matches and bads with bads in low stakes and valor blurbs. 4 - The PCPPI would suffer a weekly decay of 2% of its own value ensuring player not competing anymore are losing index 5 - The PCPPI would be displayed on player's PVP panel. Also 4 should be the default group size before entering a Warzone, and not being in a group of 4 should not allow people to complete their dailies/weeklies and reduce comms earned by 10% ( for threes), 20% (for twos), 30% for solos. There would be a group making system similar to the Flashpoint's group gathering tool to help people say hello to one another, before teaming as a four and enter warzones as such. Leaving a batlteground before the end or not joining when prompted should be applied a debuff forbidding enlisting for Warzones for 45 minutes that could be lifted paying commendations according to your PCPPI. Something like, 15 for a lowrank, up to 50 for a highrank, the system would ensure occasionnal connection loss could be manageable for people really intrested in PVP, but counterproductive for people trying to avoid difficult matches or ragequit,. I know it can be harsh for people having jaggy connections, but when you are disconnected from a Warzone, you are not the only one punished, the team you were in also is, and at some point YOU have to solve the problem or out out respect pay your dues to make amend for the trouble your connection causes to others. Ranked warzones should be opened to teams of 4 to be matched with another team of 4 gainst an operation of 8 or 2 other teams of 4. When the default size is going to be 4, we can add 4 vs 4 arenas, 12 vs 12 maps and even 16 vs 16 maps into the RWZ,URWZ map cycles.

I don't see the point in this video, Where is it intresting to see someone, destroying afk players... or people so bad they perform as good as if they were afk. lets assume you are a top player, do you think people would rather see you make a big comeback at someone good, or people see you perfect keyboard turners.

Opeative healer is powerfull, but not more than other 2 healers. All three are virtually unkillable for 95% by a single DPS outside of a few few stunclock rotations, only a few sins, operatives and juggernaughts can pull when luck helps. The game is still okay though, But to ensure WZs rythm keeps its pace I would apply a blanket nerf of 5% to healing in PVP ( and PVe it would help to add some more challenge in those operations/flashpoints) Or better transform the damage reduction buff applied by expertise, into a health point buff of the same amount, that would only gimp TTK when you are healed. Operative are good at keeping someone afloat at 30%, mercs have healing buffs, sorcerrers have burst heal. I don't see any reason to complain about one more than the others.

"They" you ve been using kind of suggest there was already at least 2, to simultaneously stun 2 people twice in a row and cap, is not practical, and if it is done it requires better timing, and coordination than you could ever sport, so I guess you could just accept the fact better players will outmatch you, cause well, they are better. a single good player cannot put the trick you describe on another good player, cause a good solo player defending the node is 1 a stealther himself, 2 located close enough so that he can instantly hit a player capping, but far enough so someone mezzing him cannot start capping right away and finsih before mez is over. when a team can afford to put 2 people on a node to defend they do, cause you never know if the other team is not going to mount a "coup" with a pair of stealther to snatch it from you if you are solo.

What is it? An assassin? Nope. It's an operative Nice. Pops out of stealth and stuns you like an assassin. Then he starts making some nice damage. so you were to lazy to burn (one of) your stunbreaker(s), or maybee you were too lazy to bind it at all. Runs into cover. yes cause he has the second half of your life to burn down and all his damaging abilities are on cooldown, you'd do the same i guess. You try something, first ranged, then you try getting close, but nope. He's immune to all that. so you are being kited by a melee class that does not move, nice concept, says a lot about your proficiency as a player.... he 's immune to you getting close, like what can he somehow root you from 35 meters away ? judging from the opener you are most probably full resolution, so I guess you forgot to put points into some snare removal abilities, cause if he was in cover then he was most definitely not moving, how the hell can't you close in on someone who is not moving when noone can stop you from moving ? Nice. Then he makes some nice damage on you. at 35 meters, that's got to be a measly probe and a normal carbine shot. With instants, while jumping around. and running. So he is not in cover anymore, then you can use all your gap closers, and you can maybee i don't know snare/root so he runs less fast he is not going to finish you ooff with his carbine, and he already used his probe so even a tank can self outheel his long range dps output ... You finally manage to dps him a little bit. What's this? You're stunned again. so you are teling us the duel lasted more than 30 seconds already, you are lucky he was not playing an assasin duel would have finished 20 seconds ago. it is your lucky day. From out of range! What?! Operatives have only one stun and it is 4m, odd are you ve eaten a grenade. He can heal himself back to 100% with one instant! DPS operatives can't template to have a instant heal, it is very high in the healing tree, and it would basically make them heal spec, their dps would be....crap to say the least. so you've got to chose cause you are describing a 21-36 template here and that cannot exist. my guess is he popped a pvp combat stim, shame on you for jumping in a WZ without a stack of 99, like every serious pvper does. Nice. You dps a little, but then you realise you're on 10% HP. Finally you stun him and dps a little. So you wait that the fight is lost to use your stun, nice tactics, you should teach them, it is really avant-garde, look like it works wonderfully. What's this?! He teleports away? you ve got some lag, i've looke twice, and my operative has no teleport spell, played all three trees, never found it, darn, that could sure come in handy, I wish I could find it. You use your speed ability and run after him, but he's much faster than you. yes cause you did not snare him, you know that spell that you never use and that could alone change your record of 100% losses to 80% losses ( yes from that little story we can guess you still have a lot of things to work on) Where is he? Oh here he is, he just popped out of stealth and killed you. did he use vanish or were you unable to hit him for a full 15 seconds and he out of combat restealth, At that point I have to ask the question. Nice. Oh look! He's still on 100% HP! Nice. Yeah he perfected another noob, he must feel so proud of himself, If I were him I may have saved my 2 minutes restealth cooldown for a rainy day cause you clearly didn't deserve the whole shebang. Then, while you're at the respawn, you try to figure out whether this was even a dps specc, or rather a heal specc that just killed you. I guess even a 0/0/0 would have perfected you, cause you know so little about pvp in this game, I wonder how you can come here and laucnh a nerf thread when you know jack sht, learn to play first, leave nerf/buff posts to people who have a clue, like game designers and top RGB teams. P.S. To all who now say l2p: l2p yourself. We did, that is how we can do that to people like you who did not.

Today , 04:15 PM | #20 REPORT POST QUOTE I never said a word about killing operatives. Let's say a warrior is at 30% health, operative is at 100% health. I'm sure electro netting the operative will stop him from healing the warrior. QQ more. so you should be able to kill alone a warrior, healee by an operative, well start by puttin the electronet on the warrior, doopey. you already have in under 3 seconds you can kill anyclass below 50% health and they wont know until it is too late, unless they are healed which puts us into the realm of 1 vs 2 again, It's a huge advantage. Either change how the system works, people sub 30% health can be healed for much higher hps without line of sight or kiting, not really no they can be healed for 60% of the dps a damage merc can pull in the same amount of time, but they can be healed ressources free outside or the ressource of a GCD if you were refferring to the agent, also LOS is needed, and what axactly is the point of kiting the mercs, they have the best range in the game with TEs, you don't kite someone who has higher range in my book. you have enough burst to finish off anything with 50% health oustide of 1 or 2 specialties using their 2minutes defensive cooldown, and it is all channeled so they don't know you are targetting them already and then boom. so lets give everyone an execute, oh wait i have a better idea lets remove all execute moves and reduce everyboody's health pool by 30%. You are a **** merc, stop qqing, DPS mercs are AA bracket, they need to be nerfed back to A bracket like all the others AA class/spé, which include shocknauts, operative heals, all builds of sins, all builds of sorcerers and probably a couple more that slipped my mind.

never seen an operative, stealth, move scamper or whatever under electronet, and electro nets lasts for about thrice the time any remotely decent dps merc needs to melt an operative. The only way a dps merc cannot melt an operative is if said operative can los in under 3 seconds before he loses the second half of his health, which is very unlikely to happen if you electronet is up. Or if you are taunted, operative is under guard, burst healed, someone is dpsing you etc... but in that case we are talking 2 vs 1, i don't think it would be proper design dps mercs can reliably win 1 vs 2 matchups. Scamper is a very usefull talent, electronet is just as usefull, you guys will whine until you can instantly one shoot tanks, which is not far from already being the case.

noone did, the thing is if the gear is the same and it is farmed faster in arenas people will desert the WZ, and queuing time will sky rocket. If farming is faster in WZ people will desert arenas and queing time will be horrible. there is already tatooine for people who want top measure their 1vs1 / 2vs2 / 3 vs 3 or 4 vs 4 *****, there is no loslster there, I don't see people enjoying 4 vs 4 pvp on tatooine. Arenas will come with a carrot to force bads and the average into 4 vs 4 for the the goods to build a rating and have fun, and that carrot is going to be better gear or faster gear, no need to be a prophet to forsee that. Wz are less boring than arenas, always were always will be , you can play CS and never plant the bomb just play permadeath TDM, but at some point objectives make the whole thing more intense and driven. But I can understand that people who are good enough to be good at arena but not good enough to be good at WZs too, enjoy doing Arenas. I have nothing against that, but i fear there is no room for both pvp with the current size of the server's populations, so i fear what devs are going to have to resort to to pushthe little people they have in the player base into the new thing. You obviously know very little about winning a WZ then, those indicate some things, They don't really show how good you denied ennemy kills by healing peopel whoa re really dying, They don't show who is always the first reinforcing the 1/2 men defending and prevented the cap while the other number mongers were sinishing their kills 5 vs 2. They don't show how much a tank prevented damage by applying snares and otehr forms of peeling to the enemy Damage dealers. They don't show who purposedly suicided to bait/drag/snare 3 enemy's who would have otehrwised reinforced def and prevented your team capping. Etc... Medals, numbers, only show one side of the coin,inherently they don't lie, but if you watch only them to forge your opinion on a player's contribution to the team, you are lying to, yourself.

Mercs already have an execute, but contrarily to some other execute moves theirs even work on characters above 30% health. In my book when a class can dish 14 k damage in 3 seconds whenever they want, it is better than if it can only do that if the enemy has less than 30% health. Just my 2 cents, L2P your merc, DPS mercs are AA bracket, like sins, all thre specs of sorcerers, shocknauts and all three healers (merc included), Dps mercs are among the best nukers in the game and have excellent burst even with lowend gear.

That would work if there was only one fotm class, but in 2.0 there are way more than that, you don't need to stack all the same, you just need to stack 3 AA dps ( assassin, shocknaut, dps merc, lighning sorc ) with 1 AA healer First of Wow is maybee the only empirical exemple YOU have at your disposal, but it is not the only one. Second I am sure these alleged and "discrete" overwhelming vitcories, providing you don't exagerate to push your point forward which obviously is false. had nothing to do with said arena player playing exclusively Fotm classes, and being geared a good tier or 2 over whatever the top WZners could put their hands on. Third if so called victories happened as often and irremediably as you say, and also assuming this wasn't due to "gear and classbalance" kind of skill, maybee the team was better, period, there is no proof the Wzers didn't also lost their arenas against the top arena's team, so odds are the arena players you refered to were simply better regardless of the competition disciplin, in no way does it shows that the arena skillset is braoder than the WZ skillset. It cannot, in fact because you can't prove true something that is false , since it is false, and the statement of arena skillset being broader than the Wz skillset is obviously false. to be good in a WZ you need to be good, 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2 , 2 vs 4 , 3 vs 4, 4 vs 4 just like in an arena, but you also need to keep track of what happens in the rest of the WZ, and what is going to happen if you succeed, what is going to happen to the people you kill, if it is better to kill everyone later but altogether or to clip them one by one asap. etc... In an arena you can stick to the be good at 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2 , 2 vs 4 , 3 vs 4, 4 vs 4 and forget all the rest. You merge the concept of permadeath to WZs, nothing says you can't have the metagaming of a WZ and no permadeath, you have it in Counter Strike, and the skillset to play CS well is broader than the skillset required to play halflife teamdeathmatch for the exact same reason above. I 'd be perfectly fine with 8 vs 8 permadeath best of 3 TDM maps included into the WZ rotations ( with the same queues) in both URBG and RBG, I am fine with permadeath TeamDeathMatch. and in a second time if it works, to have 4v4 included to the URBD rotation and a specific 4 vs 4 Ranked arena bracket for the niche people who like it more that the 8 men WZ and want to do that and taht only. 1 - I just don't want to be forced to do only TDM, 2 - I am convinced the game is not ready yet for 4 vs 4 class balance 3 - I don't wan't the pvp community to be split further than it already is, we are split accross servers, we are split between guilds, we are split with 3 URBG and 1 RBG brackets... we don't need 2 more.

what people will play will boil down to what is handed to players as a carrot. If arena gear > Wz gear people will farm arenas and WZ will be deserted, people who don't like arenas will go play somewhere else. the devs will be able to balance arenas and arenas only and they might as well clip regular warzone altogether. If arena gear < WZ gear arena players will come ************ about their hypothetical SkillZ taking as a references superiority of former top geared, fotm team comp of 2-3-5 single handedly facestomping, average players playing as a team of friends their only and undergeared characters. until we either get: them leaving for another game cause it never happens the devs yielding to forum whining pressure and put the game in situation number 1. there is no room at the moment in this game for both arenas and regular warzone. the pvp player base is too small, the itemization is not right, the class balance is not right, the class design needs a very big revamp if it is to fit both WZ playing and Arena playing ( not even factoring PVE) splitting the pvp player base in two (or 3) is not going to acheive anything good at the moment. the only thing We could try at the moment is a pure 8 v 8 team death match with permadeath and best of 3 (5) rounds on small maps, lets test that and include it into the regular WZ maps rotation. If theire are 2 queues, and the designers try to rush the 4 vs 4 or the 3 vs 3 in the game, noone will be happy with the outcome, no matter wether they like 4 vs 4 arenas or 8 vs 8 WZs, or both, cause at least one of the 2 brackets will be flawed and this bracket will desertify. I play WZ 6 hours a day on the average, I am not going to spend that much time in arenas, cause I only enjoy simplistic TDM from time to time. And if Bioware makes the silly mistake of thinking they 'll be able too force me farming my WZ stuff into arenas, I'll just reply to them, Blizzard tried, and They did not keep me.

the arena sytem will not work unless for starters they cut the healing output in arenas to 50% - 30% of what it is now and transfer the emphasis on endurance, so that burst and healing become less dominant and that there is room too for the rest of the gameplay. Arenas are diffrent from PVE and WZ, if they try to balance all three things at the same time they will miserably fail like Blizzard did with 10 folds the staff and money they had. the WZ PVP is okay because the slight ( but meaningfull ) lack of balance between classes is compensated by the intricated metagaming awarness you need to succeed in WZ. In Arenas even 3v3 or 4v4 ( cause smaller brackets are not even worth discusssing) it will boild down to neverending matches with 2 heals and a tank vs 2 heals and a tank, and I mean it is is virtually impossible to finish. Or on the contrary teams stacking 3 of the fotm nuke ability class(es) coordonating it on the same target and matches lasting under a minute with very little more skill involved than voice chan : "click my traget, prepare the nuke sequence 3 - 2 - 1 unleash okay now lets flip a coin and cross our fingers until we can instaclip another one. If these scenarios are all you think pvp is about, then you ll pick an AA class and enjoy mashing heals or mashing nukes, you ll be a happy folk. Arenas could be good, if the game had been designed around it, but bending the current game to fit arenas is a massive amount of work, given how there are still AA class and B classes in pvp is going to be even harder, the chances of even great game designers to manage to pull that trick is so small it is safer to bet it is going to be very flawed. Blizzard tried it, just after a big level cap increase and the introduction of a truckload of new abilities and revamped skilltrees, they tailored the itemization so that even people who like Wz or PVE more had to farm Arenas to be competitive in WZ or PVE instead of doing what they liked, they failed and waste so many ressources trying to solve that unsolvable puzzle that blanacing the classes for SmG PVE, Hish scale PVE, WZ PVp and 3 brackets of arenas. It would be so much simpler and easy to implemnt, to start with 3 maps for 8 people permadeath TDM best of 3 mingled in the WZ random rotation, and see what comes from it, gather data adapt a Arena specific stat bending system and see if the scale can be downsized to 4 V 4 permadeath TDM best of 5 mingled into the unranked WZ rotation, and see what comes from it, gather data and see if the Arena specific stat bending system can be tuned for the thing to go competitive realisticaly. Arenas are being rushed into this game, at a time where game balance is offbalance due to the introduction of new gear, new bolster, new class core abilities, and revamped skilltrees. I don't expect them to be good, other than becoming A - the mainstream PUG thing and ruinign the rest of the game's pvp by extending queing times for WZ tenfold, or B - a fad entertaining people for 4 months and then being deserted by anything but a few hardcore arena players exploiting the select few classes that work for it.

While that sounds meaningfull, and is absolutely right in the terms stating it fundamentally change the equation, for your own awareness, there are e-sports competitive games with respawn wave, They play diffrently, Yes you are right Dying In a WZ is sometimes a better move than surviving cause it helps you move around the bg faster than surviving most of the time, and killing is sometimes a worse move than letting the ennemy live and keep him in the mud for a bit longer. That is just the way it is, diffrent ball games diffrent tricks, diffrent tactics. CS is WZ system with objectives metagame and permadeath, and it is a much more popular E-sport than HL TDM is. Players in Footbal who get tackled are allowed to play again during the match and the sport is still entertaining. Arena's are not the "essence" of pvp, yes the tactics are balanced around some other vertices than the WZ balance, but no it is not superior, it is diffrent. Some good WZ players will never be top arena players, reciprocly some people who are good at Arena just lack something to be good WZ players, people speak about skill, but in fact they should speak about skillS, Being a great player at Street Fighter require a certain set of skills, being a great Starcraft player requires another, some of this skills both disciplins share, some are specific to each game. There is no reason to say great players at SFIV are greater players than great players at Starcraft II (or the other way round) The same goes with SWTOR future arenas and SWTOR WZs, and for some reasons i have the feeling you are implying : Arena players > Wz players. It is obviously false If anything it is the contrary for one and simple obvious reason A crap Arena player will never be anywhere decent a player in Warzones, while a crap WZ player can perfectly perform very decently in Arenas. Most of the skills required to play Arena are required to play in Warzones, WZ players who die on purpose or let ennemy survive on purpose are very well aware of what they do, they wouldn't if they player arena, they would template diffrently, stuff diffrently and play diffrently, Assuming they are subpar pvp players because they are rewarded for being defeated is flawed logic, the objective is to score points and win, if suiciding your character is what it takes to have your team score points it is a valid tactic, and in arena the same logic still stands, surely a great arena player like you can understand it is valid to sacrifice 1 of your teammate to clip 2 in the other team, or even in rarer occasions to sacrifice 2 in your team if it can break the backbone of the other team and break it for good while yours will stay solid and outlast.

moi j'ai testé, et en aucun cas une paire de gants craftés, 54 vert, bleu ou violette ne remplace une paire de gants conquérants, c'est beaucoup moins bien, même sans considérer la chute d'expertise et la perte d'un bonus de set. Je pense que les gens crient au loup pour pas grand chose, et j'ai croisé aucun joueur de pvp digne de ce nom sur ce serveur qui fait du bolster riding avec du vert 54. En revanche le stuff pve HL se marie bien avec le conquérant dans une certaine mesure, et être maxé en expertise n'est pas forcément utile en BG.

C'est le cas de beaucoup de guildes, nous en termes d'effectif ça varie selon les soir entre 2 et 6, donc s'il y à des gens qui se sentent l'envie de faire du pvp sérieusement coté empire ET de s'occuper de battre le rappel dans leur propre guilde pour faire des equipes de RBG a 2-3 guildes pour avoir au moins une equipe de RBG multiguildes alignée tous les soirs, envoyez le nom de vos perso pour ma friendlist ou faites péter le TS en message privé sur le forum et je vous contacterai. Ne soyez pas timides. Scrofule - Scrofula chez Metal Ist Krieg.

I think noone DON'T want them. But they are in my opinion a whole another ball game, well without a ball to be honest. They are sure fun, but they are less fun than the rest, they are to WZ what Hero2+ are to HM Flashpoints. I fear they will compromise the rest to implement that gimmick and that a game which is already hard to maintain balanced will become further less balanced cause billy will come here saying that ability of that class owns everything else which is going to be fairly true, and they will nerf it, then jhonny will come back saying than they never do arenas and the abilities nerf renderd they class subpar in Wz which is also going to be fairly true. I fear it will create one or 2 more brackets, further splitting the already slim community of dedicated pvper. I fear they will give out better gear to arena players than they will to BG players to ensure the bad in casuals/PVE guilds will throw some fresh and free meat in the new grinder they implement, which is the very thing they did at first in WoW, cause being good at 8 players ranked Wz is WAY more difficult than being good at 4 players TDM. I am perfectly capable of stuffing myself in Arenas but why should I farm Flashpoints, Operations or Arenas to stuff myself for BGs when WZs are what I really like to play ? It is like asking peopel to farm WZs 12 hours a day for 6 weeks before they can even think of beating the first boss of a flashpoint, that is the way you push people away, games are played to have fun, my standart for fun is WZs > arena > duel > fashioning my toons > ganking > HM Flashpoints > soloing story mode > 8 operations > 16 opérations. The day I am forced to farm the things I like less in order to be competitive in the things I like most, I 'll be just like anyone else woould, I 'll leave for another F2P/subbed game where I can farm doing what I like, like WAR, or where I don't have to farm at all to do what I like like CS, SFIV or SCII. I can't care less they implement Arena's , but I fear what comes along, and since I don't care very much about them being in the game at all, I had rather have the dev team investing the little time they have into something I care about, instead of letting them dig their grave, and hopelendlessly (patent pending) try to balance the game for everything. Don't blame me for pushing what I like forward at the detriment of the rest, and arenas are part of the rest as far as I am concerned, we all do the same.