Cosigned. Very beautiful place indeed, especially library's exterior.

...how do you people even understand what it tries to say?

First thing first, I wouldn't call this a story. An intro to a story, perhaps, with breadcrumbs here and there (it's obvious that whoever controls Darth Zombie will have it backfired and that's a good plot for an expansion if there's any). What I really loved is this story-intro's unepicness. After the string of horribly overhyped "The most dangerous persons in the Galaxy OMG!!!!" who all went down like chumps it's really refreshing to find that a bunch of Jedi recluses are growing space potatoes somewhere in the fringe of Galaxy and then the Big Bad Empire arrives to kick their crops in. 'sides, famine actually is a foe more dangerous than the conga line of losers the Outlanders trampled on their way here -- you cannot kill it with a lightsaber for starters. For the Empire run I was all ready to be as mean as possible, but I found almost everyone surprisingly...likeable? Or at very least not annoying. I liked the blunt Major Anri -- with someone like her there's still hope Empire's Muggles will eventually teach those idiot tantrum-throwing Sithwizards a lesson or two in humility. Then, Malora. I expected her to be a raging imbecile like Thana Vesh, but she's just a Mad Scientist! I cannot help but like Mad Scientists so I offered her a job. Couldn't kill Master Gnost-Dural either because I also love old bookish scribes, so the only mean thing I did was being rude to Darth Zombie and even that was hilarious. I still preferred Republic storyline though, mostly because I found both Jedi horticulturalists as a group and terse, pragmatic Jedi warrior as an individual rather refreshing. I really liked Tau; now if only she didn't look so disappointed with me in that splash screen...seriously, that disapproving glare makes me feel so guilty about playing games (and not calling my mum). There's also this nice reoccurring motif of Empire's problems being mostly self-inflicted: the Jedi were quite happy on that backwards planet just with their books and agriculture research, but Empire had to run them down, and lo behold, the first pissed-off Jedi volunteers to fight the Empire again. And now to wait for initial rush to die down so I could farm in peace that multitude of lovely decorations to contribute to my network of Tacky Strongholds of Bad Taste.

I thought this was gonna be a joke up until that "This will end other romances" pop-up happened. Is this Inquisitor only? Because my Trooper is currently stuck with Arcann, she could use an upgrade.

....why is this thread suddenly ♥♥♥ Theron, Theron, Theron ♥♥♥ Ohhh you so fine Theron!♥♥♥? While it's an improvement of sorts over passive-aggressive ad hominems people used to fling at each other before, don't you guys have a separate thread for this sort of thing?

Same. Sometimes I think about running another character through, to see how's voice actin' and stuff, and then I remember the walkers and am all "Nah I'm good".

Nadia's "romance" is very creepy, double so because it's really easy to get roped into it even if you're being just nice to her. Funny thing, you can even call her out for wanting the substitute father, but then somehow can proceed with that romance. I see JK and Kira as equals, because the Knight is just a rookie as she is, only elevated into knighthood by his Mary Sue powers; Corso, are you kidding? Bringing him out for every flirt option you take is the best part of his romance! I don't have problems with Sith romances because they are supposed to be creepy and abusive, only for some reason some people excuse Quinn's from this lot pretending it's all shiny happy flowers and rainbow unicorn farts? The least disturbing romance is IMO with Andronikos, and that's largely because he is not a nice person himself and seems reckless enough to risk a hook-up with miss Colicoidina Lightningfingers. Never did Elara's romance, because she's pretty much a nice female Quinn and unlike my SW, my trooper was a decent person and would not inflict himself onto reluctant subordinate.

Well, if you played SW story, you must know the real reason he would not leave, signed papers or not. And even if you're one of them reasonably rational Sith lords, he is your subordinate, and you know how subordination works in Empire -- your Sith Overlord has right to slice your noggin off because they don't like the way you breathe. So he's the type who's trained to obey people above him in rank, he has all reasons not to trust you to be rational, because the majority of Sith aren't, and he has a very grave reason not to leave you. It's much easier and safer for him to just go along with unwanted advances, close his eyes and think of Empire.

I'll just point it out that while people here are tearing each other new ones over who's moar predatory sexual predator, Doc or Lana, there is one love interest -- Malavai Quinn -- who's entire romance is textbook sexual harassment, and his love thread seldom leaves page 1 of general. Guess it's not harassment when it's our own character who's doing the harassin', innit.

I like Doc. He's surprisingly complex for someone stuck in not-very-nuanced-at-all JK story. Great medic, selfless enough to work war zones, and at the same time -- vain and full of himself. And hilariously unsubtle flirt, but that's exactly how someone as full of himself as Doc would flirt -- like he is Hutt's gift, best thing in universe and you should be grateful he's paying attention to you.

What do you mean by variety here? If those characters from personal stories, I don't think that's variety; on the contrary, it's akin to the thing that was done to the PCs, when eight wildly different types were merged into one Outlander and as a result KOTET/FE story does not really fit any of them. Nathema makes, say, previously rational and even paranoically suspicious characters walk into very obvious trap and the motivation -- they really truly totally hate our Outlander on deeply personal level -- makes bupkis sense. Writing memorable characters used to be one of Bioware's key strengths since forever, and seeing them sacrifice integrity by making a bunch of characters go stupidly OOC just to provide closure? Really?

That's quite a long and...interesting thread for something started by the vent post from frustrated Theron fan. Anyway, people clamoring for meaningful content regarding bricked characters probably should not keep their hopes high. I've read various bits on how branching storylines is a b†tch to implement even in a proper RPG, I'm not sure it's even possible in a MMOG. So the "content" devs mentioned prolly is a cutscene at most, additional few dialogue lines at regular. Technically, that is content, so they're not even lying.

That's quite some attributes you projected onto me just from my hatred of Mary Sues. In my eyes the fact that you think power fantasies are good makes you, well, a person who thinks power fantasies are good. Not enough data to make a more complete portrait, probably because of my degree in computers. Or not. And of course there are plenty of intelligent people who liked "50 shades", but I kind of doubt any of them would claim it's a well-written book. Anyway, on topic, I really liked the 4th and 5th (those on Iokath, right?), chapters of KOTFE. I'm a bit biased here because it reminded me of "Mass Effect" a little, but that aside I found them among the least nonsensical ones. Also, Nathema Conspiracy's story is a dumpster fire of colossal proportions, I give it -273.15 out of 10 and I already ranted on it when it went live, I think, so I am not honoring that garbage with a repeat.

Where did I knock your opinion? It's just that I am not interested in discussion, because you giving the near perfect score to shallow ego-stroking wish fulfillment fantasy story with extremely blatant Mary Sue for protagonist does not make you something I'd want to talk about storytelling. To compare -- I would not look down on anyone who loves "Fifty shades of Grey", but I would neither discuss literature with them nor would I take their "9/10, it's perfection" score of anything written for face value.

Ooooh, a rant about storytelling, writing and what makes a quality story, interesting, let's read and maybe discuss... ...or not.

Can I choose neither? Just went through Iokath with the character that never did it yet. "So, hey. Why are you guys trespassing on my superweapon planet?" "Our Republic collapsed, our planets in ruins, our citizens are suffering and therefore there is no thing more important than CRUSHING THE CRAP OUT OF HATED EMPIRE!!!!!1! :mad::mad:" (vice versa for siding with pubs) "...are you sure? Don't you want, you know, rebuild at first? And your economy is in shambles, maybe pick it up a bit before throwing all resources into weaponry, no?" "NO! EMPIRE MUST BE CRUSHED!!!:mad:" Sigh. And now I will be forced to choose between these two imbecile factions instead of torching them to hell and seeing if something's less stupid can rise from the ashes.

Yeah, Jedi are ultimate manchildren. Girl/boy in every port? That's fine, if no feelings-shmeelings involved. Start taking responsibility? "Oh no, sorry hon, can't marry you, can't provide for the kid. Leads to the dark side, see."

Omg Alex Freed is going to write another game. OMG.

Another little thing I remembered noticing. When Theron asks what must he do to get into Zildoites' good graces, Vinn says, "Adegan crystals". Not "Adegan crystals and Alliance Commander's head on a rail spike". Meaning the murder in Umbarran Express was Theron's own initiative. He could safely ship the crystals -- or part of them if he wanted to leave some for Alliance, easy to stage shipment loss, then holo the Alliance from safe distance with "Trololo, fooled ya, oh and Commander, I faked it every time, toodle-oo!" But what he does instead is lose half of the crystals he was asked to get and stage a very risky faux-assassination attempt that nobody asked him to do. It's not trust issues that should've gotten him tossed outta Alliance, but too liberal interpretation of orders and excessive bloodthirst.

*sad nod, "Sound of Silence" starts playing quietly in the background* You know what's the worst? This ghastly abomination of what I don't want to honor by calling it 'story' seems to be retroactively ruining the game for me. Like, I jumped into one of my starter Agents to cleanse the palate...and it's not fun anymore. Kind of like I couldn't ever watch "Lost" again after its abysmal ending. No matter how good first seasons were, I knew that ending existed and I just couldn't...*sigh, "Hello darkness my old friend"...*

Well, after I ran my Theron-romanced characters through Nathema and found out he turned into Edward Cullen, I'm not surprised any longer. Vampires are famous for their regeneration. I assume even tacky, sparkly ones.

Regarding paper -- I remember reading Star Wars lore is kind of famous because of its lack of paper, but then, I think I read that on "Darths and Droids" so it's probably should be taken with a grain of salt....'sides, Inquisitor's story on Voss absolutely involves something that looks like paper or parchment (the red Sith force insensitive lady rummages through what looks some papers), so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As for Theron's super spy business, there's also this little matter of him thinking you can survive the train crash with just Lana possibly helping you, but not believing you could take on the Zildo cult with your full power base backing you up, which is a little contradictory and does not flatter either Theron's or his writers' (you choose) mental faculties.

Your interpretation is more plausible than probably half of arsepulls in Iokath storyline, but it is still a fan theory. And that's exactly the problem with the whole traitor line -- it's speculation upon speculation, and while you don't need to spell out and explain everything to have a good story, you cannot build it on bare bones filled with speculations either. How soon ME3 ending fiasco, courtesy of Casey "Lots of speculations" Hudson, was forgotten.

To be honest, I found the main story line somewhat bland (White Marches was much better though), the Big Bad underwhelming and potentially great hooks such as Legacy underutilized, but IMO Obsidian is second to none in world building, and the vibrant, coherent world somewhat offsets lack of engaging story... ...ahem. Right, SWTOR thread. So, Bioware -- pick up your world-building skillz (also villains), because not only Obsidian is rapidly annexing your influence zones, it's now hijacking your threads in your own forum of all places too!

This. Did it with 230'ish DPS Sin with lvl45 Talos on heals.