I would be down for a fairly generous buff to shock and force lightning. I agree with OP that we are very squishy with no cannon to match.

Nice work. Way to take the time. Unfortunately, I am uncertain of how often Allison or any other dev actually checks the class forums. I think there are bigger things on their mind. I suppose they figure if someone doesnt like their class, they will just reroll ...... which keeps you paying that much longer. That being said ........... I wouldnt mind if they put a cool down on affliction or removed some of the AOE potential from death field/force storm/CL and gave us some MAJOR upgrades on the damage of other casts ... this could increase the burst of our class while maintaining their metrics. Everyone knows we can match alot of classes in the damage column because of meaningless dots/aoe that noone even bothers to purge.... Also, if I were you, i would put this in the pvp forum as this is moreso a pvp related issue ..... it is more likely to be seen there.

Yes, you are going to be seeing different results in the lower brackets. Unfortunately for sorcs/sages, they dont scale well with uber gear and are probably one of the weakest AC's in 50s pvp. Dont worry, just level to 50 and start getting your gear. You will be facerolling them in no time.

haha the wording on this is classic.

1. First target in 50s warzones - I play dps sorc and i generally take upwards of 300k damage every warzone 2. To be totally honest, broken without an easy fix ...... i dont blame BW too much because it's such a mess of a class. You would need an avid pvper/developer to actually know how to fix the class. Heck i am not sure what needs to happen. I do know that we do sub par burst damage and the survivability/TTK is way way too low. The insta heal last patch sort of felt like a bandaid .... maybe thats just me.

Posted this in another thread and realized it should probably be here: Most of you guys are spot on and have obviously played your sorc to a very high level: Regardless of how and if they change the class around, a few things are very clear: - DPS sorcs lack burst damage -Have inflated scores due to spreading of dots -Lack survivability -Have inflated kill counts due to spreading of dots -Are not a viable spec for RWZs Bioware is aware of many of these issues, don't let them fool you. However, I am uncertain why they have yet to address them. It's really frustrating... I always thought the following: Light armor = tons of damage, low survivability(not the current survivability if you are targeted by a determined mara,PT, you are dead) Medium = moderate surv. and mod. damage etc. etc. You get the picture. My only question is why are we handicapped? @bioware

Regardless of how and if they change the class around, a few things are very clear: - DPS sorcs lack burst damage -Have inflated scores due to spreading of dots -Lack survivability -Have inflated kill counts due to spreading of dots -Are not a viable spec for RWZs Bioware is aware of many of these issues, don't let them fool you. However, I am uncertain why they have yet to address them. It's really frustrating... I always thought the following: Light armor = tons of damage, low survivability(not the current survivability if you are targeted by a determined mara,PT, you are dead) Medium = moderate surv. and mod. damage etc. etc. You get the picture. My only question is why are we handicapped? @bioware

Recently picked up my main and offhand EWH gear (already full WH everything else with one enhance into min/maxing still a ways to go, 1368 expertise, dont get me started on losing 2 exp for the upgrade) and decided to make a post on MY point of view for WZs...... I have been playing for a bit (only valor 83 but i know my way around somewhat), and after playing a couple of RWZs with my guild as a dps spec, i got tired of letting them down with very quick deaths ...... focus fire and stun locking are one thing ... but no defensive cooldowns on my dps sorc and no way of escaping are MY FAULT. I chose the spec and i realize that. As the GM i needed to make changes for the better of my friends. So i finally switched from sorc dps to sorc hybrid given the availability of buffs from the latest patch (i am rolling 23/2/16 .... insert your hybrid spec here, lets not argue numbers). Now i am sure you are all saying well RE-ROLL and just play .... insert FOTM here ... well i am highly considering it but given the time to 50 and collecting all datacrons and grinding WH gear i dont want to just YET. I was unhappy at first by being pigeonholed into some hybrid spec but given the time it takes for developers to make changes and their state of apathy towards anything regarding class balance and pvp, i made the change. My findings include the following: Survivability has increased somewhat (putting a number on it would be a farce on my part, but it has helped, there is no doubt) .... force speed immunity coupled with resurgence and unnatural preservation has allowed me to 'run away from fights' in a somewhat viable manner. I have never played a healing spec, but resurgence seems a bit weak? thats a different topic altogether though ..... Although i still see plenty of deaths from VT, name your poison, etc .... my survivability has no doubt increased..... DPS i was hoping would be somewhat offset by force suffusion and life surge. It has helped, but my dps is still lacking. My average dps rate has dropped significantly per game, but understandably as i now have more survivability. So, my real question is ...... where does the hybrid fit in? ..... we cannot heal others well as i am not specced deeply enough into corruption (albeit we can keep ourselves alive slightly better) and we cannot output massive damage .... maybe its a l2p issue...... Alright, next thought ..... So, you roll a hybrid .... you should only do 'respectable damage' and decent healing .... Well, i dont want to roll a hybrid .... and i sure as heck dont want to be a healer ..... what are my options? My options are a 2 second root and increased dot damage with much of the glass cannon intact (i say much of the glass because bioware gave us a 3-4k insta heal which helps dps specs very little but in fact was a 'buff') AND the cannon has been nonexistant since when? How in BW's green pastures can a light armor full dps spec be outdamaged by medium and heavy armor wearers? It makes absolutely 0 sense and beyond that is unfathomable and frankly rediculous. I do understand that total damage can be skewed by survivability (ie running back to WZS when you die will drop your dps significantly). but cmon, we see troopers and warriors toppin the damage charts every game .... does that mean sages/sorcs are being killed that much every game? i think not. so if you arent a healing spec, why even play a sorc/sage? Alright, so all this QQ.... what are my proposed changes? Well, i am no expert and have no finite details but this seems to be in order: if you are heavy armor, you can absorb copious amounts of damage but output little ..... i do realize tanks are somewhat broken at the time too ..... hell lots of the classes are broken if you are medium ... .... you get it if you are light and squishy, you die quickly, which we do, but you can output tons of damage..... well we all know that isnt the case. If bioware would stop using their misleading end WZ metrics to base class balance off of AND actually play the game they would see this ..... The class balance of this game is so wrecked I feel like a fish out of water.... lol its like ... I don't even ..... Seriously lol, can anyone with more knowledge and expertise on the class please input here ..... It is funny, and i take deaths in stride.... but at some point, i mean CMON. btw BW you can have your force speed buff and your insta heal back, its worthless to dps and frankly i dont want it.

These war zones are honestly funny, I roll with a madness sorc, nuff said ..... i am getting a kick out of all this melee ... i am not one to get angry when i get facerolled And these stuns, man.... haha Cmon, someone else has to think this is a tad bit funny. This is my new outlook on current pvp, just enjoy the show. Obviously I harbor some hope that some of this stuff gets fixed but in the meantime ... Oh and this is still the best game on the market, even with the balancing issues. I thoroughly enjoy playing.

all but one of the sorc/sage buffs are in the healing/lightning trees. We all know lightning is broken, so ..... what about DPS sorcs? I am thankful for another instant heal(even tho thats one more button to push), but is it really going to keep me from being face planted more? Time will tell i suppose, but i fear it wont. Now, if you really wanted to throw us a bone, you could give us back some damage. Even in those games where i am left alone and spam my rotations, i am out dpsed by maras/power techs. Im not saying nerf them, but you should consider giving us some damage. How in the world do medium/heavy armor classes out DPS a light armored class that is specced for damage only? That is the definition of unbalanced. If you are opposed to having our damage on par with some of the best classes in the game ..... then throw us some medium armor and upgrade Sith Defiance .... ALOT make it cost more points ... move it up in the tree whatever you gotta do. But, I mean the whole instant heal thing seems like a bandaid that isnt going to work how you think it will work. Oh and parasitism/death field/devour arent cutting it either. /frustration off Anyways, it is nice to see that they are working on class balance and it shows they care. Albeit i think they are going about it in the wrong way.

This.

/bump. Cmon, i know someone has some more input

A little hard to read, but YES this. I am still having fun with the material. It is really a great game. Class balance is something that needs to be looked at in the next patch. The game is currently not as gear or skill dependent as it is class dependent. IE heavy or medium high survivability types outdamaging everything, especially burst wise. We all know the 2-3 classes I am talking about. Something would appear to be broken

+10 has no codex. Thanks for your input though.

Fresh 50: Haven't heard much on this subject lately so i thought I would post. I am fairly certain I have recieved all datacrons in game including the +10. I was fairly drunk the Saturday night i got the +10 so dont remember it well lol, just remember being extricated alot. but regardless, here are stats as lvl 50 sith sorcerer with no armor: Str 140 (147 mark of power) Presence 387 (Haunting Presence) Cunning 90 (94) Aim 90 (94) Endurance 265 Willpower 307 (Will of the sith, 322 with mark of power) Anyone mind confirming these stats?

Haven't heard much on this subject lately so i thought I would reply. I am fairly certain I have recieved all datacrons in game including the +10. I was fairly drunk the Saturday night i got the +10 so dont remember it well lol, just remember being extricated alot. but regardless, here are stats as lvl 50 sith sorcerer with no armor: Str 140 (147 mark of power) Presence 387 (Haunting Presence) Cunning 90 (94) Aim 90 (94) Endurance 265 Willpower 307 (Will of the sith, 322 with mark of power) Anyone mind confirming these stats?

So, with the current state of the game we are reserved as healers? wtih DOT harassment? that is not at all how i pictured the most "powerful" class in the movies (well with the exception of yoda i suppose)..... oh well, lol QQ and reroll i guess. thanks for the input guys.

I was under the impression that sorcs were the masters of the dark side of the force, controlling terrifying power to create lightning and what not ...... i have tried several different hybrid dps specs and always have the same problem ..... i cannot stay alive for more than 15 secs if people actually notice im there. Ok ok, thats fine, im a glass cannon, i understand. I should die quickly for so much damage. But where is the damage? im not talking about 150k+ warzone damage because i decided to DOT everyone and there mother over and over.... what gives? this is my first Char and i most definitely have much to learn ... any recommendations? is sorc pvp broken?