Nah pugs can't all group up and play together and demolish the enemy team like a true high tier pvp guild premade, because they'll still suck. Its fun to have a premade with guildies because then you're playing with friends getting some laughs out of it usually. See the differences?

The lakers and the heat are also making several million dollars either way. We're spending an hour+ in one warzone wasting our time playing that instead of playing a fun match against a different team. We get that they are playing a strat that is designed to win, but you fail to understand that the other teams can run the same strat. We don't because its not fun. its a videogame which isn't going to net us any money for its competitive play. When people don't want to log in and do rateds because its so boring, there is a problem and its negative for the game, the server, and for the players who stick through anyways.

Eff da haters, I was #1 forum troll before, need to reclaim that position now.

Turtle Fest!

That's what you're putting forward, because no one else is saying that snipers will even be viable. At best its been said that they may be usable, but not even close to optimal. You must know something that no one else does to be saying that they will perform at the same level as maras. I'm not trying to toot Vullesh's horn here, but Im saying that if someone who is very good even believes that it won't be usable in rated arenas, and another player who has next to no real credentials (sorry being in Synergy in your sig don't mean much man) says the opposite, I'll believe the one who mains the class. There are a lot of differences between maras and snipers, and you can't say, well because they have similar performance in wz they must be equal! That's not how arena's work, and its pretty damn obvious that you have very little experience to be saying as much. Its been pretty drilled in, and the closest comparison was hunters in WoW arena's to start as someone else said so truthfully, I'm not going to bother to keep on reiterating the same points. Others have said the same already, if you don't believe us, gonna suck for you when arena's come out and snipers haven't gotten any changes to fit.

It was a civil war. lol. My point was that he is extremely good at the spec, debatedly the best at it from our server. You are trrying to assert that you know something else that no other sniper does that will make them viable as is in arena's. They won't be, and Im sure I'll get a kick watching you get your *** handed to you in arena's if you choose to use a GS.

I've talked to one of the best snipers in the game/server. You're delusional. Also, I'd say I struck a nerve trying to drill into you that your opinion means very little. Tell ya what, if you come into rateds and suddenly outperform Teacher, Notvullesh, Fatnerd etc I'll take it all back and kiss your ***.

Dude you're a random. lol. People knowing who you are because you're easy to make fun of doesn't make you much better.

As long as the games end before/at 9 rounds, Idc. 8v8 is fine with me w/e.

You just showed how little you know about arena's. An effective mara will LoS break your cast. It doesn't mean they'll be hiding, they will be using smart positioning/camo's/leaps/pred to break your major damage casts, and to reposition. You seem to view that because you have the hard counter class against maras in a WZ you will be effective in arena's. That is entirely not true. You did not participate at a high level in rateds now for ages. You think you are better than some of the best snipers in the world. Most of them don't even know who you are. Face it, you are crying that you are better than every other sniper in the game, and that is simply not true. Vullesh is more than likely one of the absolute best overall players in the world when it comes to DPS, and even he doesn't view Snipers as being good in arenas as is. To put into perspective how good he is at marksman, the only match we played against MvP last night, he outdamaged Teacher who was lethality, as MM. Stop trying to defend the class, because all you'll be doing is giving BW a reason to let the class stay as is when arena's come out. Don't gimp it because of your stubborn assertion that you are the best. You are not.

They were always named Rock Bottom on this server. On Harbinger they were named Krusty Krab Klan, but it may as well be a different team from then because they have quite a different team now.

Yeah, I'd say pretty solidly in the middle. They are a pretty new team, but they have some very very good players to pull from. Hope PoT5 enjoys them, we will miss having them to play against everyonce in a while.

I don't want to start anything, but he does have a point. When you guys have 3 scoundrel comps it feels like even though you do lose against us *for the most part*, you hold up much better. When its only 2, it feels like a totally different team. I wish you guys would just try and use the other comps and get better at them, but w/e your team does its up to you guys. Just more boring to play against 3 scoundrels is all really

I'm actually just asking that it be played the way it used to be played. There should be a dialogue over it either way. You went to mid, and if your team ended up being behind after a few rounds then you would have to split heavily on one side to try and delay, or get a sap cap over their node guard. The important thing is that it will end at 9 rounds no matter what. This map used to be my favorite because it showcased so many different important skillsets. Mid fighting with smart CC to control kills, sap capping, delays to try and come back from a certain loss.... I just loved that gametype, and hypersplit sucks. I agree in that some games of it are fun because of the small scale, but at other times its just boring and frustrating. It just depends on how bold both teams are being that particular game. truthfully, I'm expecting only 2-3 of the teams on the server to not agree to this, and thats because they never win mid fights and have to rely on their mezz caps. That's their gameplay prerogative so w/e

What you'll like the first time you play against him in a pug match http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/i-shake-my-hairbrush-at-you.gif How Vullesh handles melee DPS http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/birthday-party.gif This server hasn't gotten to meet story time yet with the tauntauns ;(

They left because of their time schedules. Several of them can't play very late, and one of them almost has to go by the time rateds start here. What will be interesting is how they do on PoT5. We all know exactly where they stood on this server, so if they go over and display themselves as being above nearly every other team, then hey there will be no more arguments about which server is more competitive or just retain the same level that they were at here on this server. (they are a good team, but its still a new team and they have to work out the kinks) Godspeed to you guys, and I'll miss 3 of your players.

I thought it would be incredibly obvious. Its very easy to counter, and very squish. Its easy to kill, with only 1-2 significant dps spike contributions. Will some very very skilled players such as shinirika/wakalord make it work? yes. Will players like you? No. Watch your videos back, and ask yourself if you are a player that has supremely perfect positioning, in nearly every fight as well as perfect CD/control usage because that is what will be required to fight against a top tier team that doesn't use stealth DPS.

So, as you all know, the current strat is to use team splits on hypergates to try and prevent any caps and rely on CC/full wipes to get a cap and therefore end the map. I'm not going to write a long description of it, everyone knows it and as such everyone knows the unpleasantness it brings. 9-24 round hypergate matches are no fun. When I see the map in a ranked pop, I want to just /logout sign off mumble and go to sleep, because at around round 15 I may as well be asleep and at least I saved myself 30 minutes of my life. What I want, and would appreciate is if certain teams do agree to a gentleman's agreement. If you want to use this map as it was originally intended, and have a deathmatch on mid, with all the old fun in the warzone please discuss with your guild and sign this thread. Either as a GM or as an officer. I am not representing <Lukewarm Tauntauns> here either. I am 99% sure that every single one of us won't mind doing this, but I can't speak for every player. Like I already said, the guild leaders should be the ones who agree to it. If you are facing a guild that is not signed into this page, quite simply don't try and host a mid fight. Nearly every match on this server is streamed nowadays so it'll be easy to check which team it is. If you are on this signature page, and you do it anyway to a team that is also signed, forever bear the shame of being an ******e for no real reason. Thanks very much Bastion RWZ players for having a great overall server attitude, and respect for each other, and I hope that you all make me smile in the next few days when I can run to the middle of the map instead of the walk of shame to the node. If you wan't to play Hypersplit, then just don't sign. Know that I dislike you deeply, and with great gusto but no hard feelings. That is how you want to play. Nobody is going to pressure you into playing like this and if they try to do a mid fight, you'll just two cap them anyways so no problem for you. Personally, I'm just tired of the hypersplit gametype, and I'd like to play Hypergates outside of regs.

What it looks like when Vullesh aquires target http://i.imgur.com/W6d5Ndk.gif?1 What it looks like when Vullesh is in motion http://i.imgur.com/aN6x73u.gif

Its obvious you just think I'm attacking your class, and you want to defend it. Fine. You go play arena's, and you do your incredibly helpful part in losing. Just know that what I have said is very true, the class is weak in this aspect. Once you are out of cover and covered in melee, you are going to die, irregardless of how much better you think you are than every other sniper in the world. Who die in the same exact way. I meanwhile will be helping BW with balance hopefully in anyway I can, because I personally want every DPS to have a spot in arena's come 2.4 in different comp setups. I don't want just any comp to be effective, but I want there to be certain strategies involved with each individual comp rather than a cookie cutter 123 win comp.

That's the problem though! They can be mobile, but as SOON as they are mobile they will get killed! What do you not get about that man? Any of the teams that will become top tier in arena's will spot that, and kill it. The problem with slingers is that they have no real escape mechanism when they are mobile, because in 8v8's it would be overpowered if it existed in that state. In smaller scale, if you can't escape under your own heat (remember, your healers/tanks may be stunned/mezzed), then you are boned. And if you think the CD's/roll that slinger has are good enough, think again. Roll is null & void with a smart stun or root ahead of time. Which a good team will do. It does not matter how good you are at your slinger, it is in its current state not going to be a good dpser for high level arena's, its very simple.

You think 1v1's against a mirror class mean anything in regards to skill? Nah, you're bad, I've been trolled, I'm out. Nice try to troll though, twas good until that last bit.

You realize that we would be ranked 3rd, behind MvP and Don't Panic right? The only two teams we have losing records against are those two on this server. We have a pretty wide winning record over Synergy.

So, you haven't played the class consistently at the highest level of competition of 7 months. Yet, you're better than Teacher, Fat'nerd, Notvullesh? Yeah? Pretty sick man, you are prolly the best player in the whole world.

Funnily enough, that's exactly what snipers do. They are the class that is babysat in the backline.