Your gear wont matter. Honestly, neither will your mechanics, your healers or anything you can do. Its all up to the RNG. That is the issue that we are discussing here. No matter what you do, there is a % chance you will just drop dead, which is a GG /stuck try again most of the time. Good luck!

http://www.torparse.com/a/378262/time/1376160816/1376161116/0/Damage+Dealt 2260.83 Madness 8 2 36 No set bonus

Eh Leafy I can't blame you. I just read the Marauder/Sniper answers from the dev's and my heart sank. Their reply is basically "yep, it sucks, and don't expect a change any time soon". Doesn't give one a lot of hope when it comes to our class. I wonder if I should just unsub right now rather than wait for disappointment in 2.4.

Yeah thats a lot of cash for a video game... Perhaps the culinary school would rent us a wall to hang a giant banner instead?

2.4 is all I am going to continue to pay for. If it doesn't fix it, BW, EA will never get another dime from me... I might rent a billboard in Austin across the street from BW that has a big calculator on it with the words "Got Math?" underneath it.

Honestly, if you want to ruin the game for PVE assassins just do the above. It's already in the dirt right? Just take the ability to tank right out with your no force attacks during shroud. Why not? As a retort: Remove all burst,, remove stealth (doesnt work in NiM content anyways) remove CC, remove whirlwind entirely, remove force slow (never use that one in an op), remove knockback (again, useless in ops), remove shock (we never use it, bosses are immune!), and add sustained dmg for dps and more mitigation for tanks. When you post ideas please try to remember this game is not entirely PVP.

Your new numbers are what I have already. I have a 2300+ stat budget, so what I was curious to know is how high he was going in defense compared to that. I ran some test on tor-tank.com and it was telling me to put more into my sheild+absorb (not even enough for a augment, my numbers are really close)

I love these threads. You guys are my AA. My guildies are so sick of my talking about it that its a running joke now. My name is kwestone and I'm an assassin. Its been 1 month since my last NiM tanking run.

Yeah I would like to know as well. I have a ton of 72 defense mods just sitting in my cargo bay and could probably get to any percentage without having to purchase anything new.

It has now been 1 month since the Dev posted and said they would look into it. Not a word since. Downloading EVE now in preparation of Bioware not fixing this.

If by middle of the pack you mean dead last... Then yeah, middle of the pack. The devs have a vendetta against our class, and I believe its a personal thing from Austin Peckinpaugh. I am not sure which one of you abused him as a child, but he is taking it out on all of us.

Let me guess: You are leveling? This is occurring in SM Flashpoints? Low level DPS and heals are not going to know what to do (a lot of tanks dont either) so its up to you, the tank, to tell them.

My problem with the suggestion that the execute phase is going to increase DPS really ignores the fact that most boss fights require so much movement that it basically negates the execute increase. For example: Styrak execute phase is eaten up by a dragon that pushes back up above the execute phase, effectively eliminating the phase until the dragon reaches 30%. Then, when he does reappear it is not exactly stand still and beat on him. The dread guards in TFB are spawning ads, so if you are spec madness you are supposed to kill these ads with dots? "Hey guys, I just need another 18 seconds to kill these guys" Another TFB fight, the TFB - Hypergate anomalies need burst... Madness has none. Tanks will finish before the Madness assassin. I could go on, but the point is pretty easy for anyone putting any serious thought into it. The only fights that the assassin DPS is really going to benefit from are tank and spank. Raid groups dont typically have trouble with those.

Powertechs have the best mitigation out of all the tanks right now. The guildmaster is an idiot. The only tank that needs that much health are assassins, and that is because they are paper tanks. Even then the argument for more health vs. more mitigation is suspect.

Pretty sure the first group to clear it had 2. One tank and one deception/infiltration DPS assassin. They posted the vids on Reddit I think when it first happened.

5/36/5 deception with Stalker 4 piece set bonus 25% crit 71% surge 100% accuracy

I was checking out EVE yesterday. It looks pretty fun. I might have to download it.

LOL you are still trolling this thread guy? You remind me of people who argued that the Earth was flat, years after it was proved otherwise.

PVE we have no viable class. For DPS, we are a handicap. For Tanking we are a handicap. Groups are succeeding with Assassins despite this, but that does nothing for me. There is no balance. Only trolls are suggesting otherwise. I would love to see 1 thing for sure: Make us viable for tanking again. We are a tank class, so at least let us do that. Any changes should be helpful for PVP as well, without making us OP. If we are going to suck at DPS, please at least make us suck less at our primary role, tanking. Right now, we are squishy and spikey for end game and PVP when it comes to tanking. To fix DPS: Make phase walk have a buff for both deception and madness, much like the healing buff for tanking. For deception I would love to get people who PVP a lot to tell me, as I don't really do much of that. For madness, I would like to see either a damage or crit buff for anyone standing in the pool, thus creating a use for DPS sins in raid groups, and buffing our damage output. This would have to be a slight amount as we are not asking to be OP here, we just would like to be inline with other classes. I would also like to see Shapeless spirit, and lamblaste completely removed and some other skill worth being that high in the tree put in there place. Of all the talent trees in all my toons, these are the most worthless. They do nothing. Conspirator's cloak is something that both deception or madness could use, and it would not be that OP. If you think about it for madness, maul hits like a wet noodle anyways, but at least with a proc we could use it without draining our 10 force we have left after one single rotation. Which brings me to: Force regen..... Really Austin? .... Really? It's almost like he stayed out late the night he had to come up with the 2.0 assassin changes, and did it on no sleep with a really bad hangover. This is broken, no other class has to use their basic attack as much as sins. None. We are the gimps right now, and if you are not mad then you sin is not your main. This class is my favorite to play, my main toon, and I would love to bring it out of credit farming mode and raid with it. The 4 changes I listed above, however subtle they may be, would make that a reality.

I have literally changed my assassin to madness in protest. LOL its not like I am going to take him on hm, I have all 72 gear with set bonus. No point in trying to take him for NiM because even with all 72's I get one-shotted by TWH or Dash'rood. I actually have solid DPS gear, and have managed to get in a couple PUG groups as a gimp DPS. I just dont mention I have a geared Juggernaut, otherwise they would make me tank. I feel like my toons were raped. They were raped by AP and his gang of Assassin hating thugs. I miss tanking with that toon.

You should have gotten some consumable items that increase the ability for your seeker droid to detect which direction the seed is in. When you are close, a green semi-circle will indicate which way you need to go. If you don't use the consumable item, you have to be within 20m or I am guessing. But yes, I agree it is super boring.

http://www.madsithassassin.com/2013/03/assassin-developer-interview.html http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=664980 I tried decorum 6 months ago when 2.0 hit the PTS. I was told to l2p, mostly by pvp players. My frustrations boil over when I read blurted out idiotic statements like "Kitru doesnt pvp tank" I apologize to any fellow sins and or shadows I might have slighted with my words. I am a very pissed off customer at this point. See the interview with AP then take a look at the DPS numbers. I get livid. We have been lied to, and I am starting to wonder if it is not a personal vendetta against our ac. That kind of gross incompetence is possible, but we are talking about programmers.

Sure. Ill take your word for it. On the internet. I trust you. You said so. **** the math right?

LOL. What is to know? Please tell us. Be sure to include your formulas. 1. Begin match. 2. Start QQing in the chat because you got in match with teh noobs 3. Rage Quit. 4. Queue up again. 5. Rinse and repeat. Something like that? Kitru has tons of posts that deal with gearing, dmg, even DPS if you care to read. And yes, many of them cover pvp. There is nothing to PVP, other than what 5 warzones? Let me take a more serious whack at tanking pvp: 1. Always keep a guard on any team-mate getting attacked (if you can handle switching it mid-fight, if not gaurd your heals). 2. Spam taunts every cooldown 3. Stay in range of pocket heals 4. Spam DW every cooldown, and Force shroud against tech or force attacks. 5. Use phase walk to as both heals buff and escape when breakhout is on cooldown. 6. QQ in chat when team sucks 7. Rage quit Sound about right? The questions I've seen posted by the leading nominated PVP assassins are complete and utter garbage, and if both Assassin and Shadow reps are PVP then this class is borked forever.

I would love to see your gear or stat balance. If you have a chance, could you post for the curious?