I'd have to agree, except that if I have to spend more time leveling alts, I'd spend less time playing the game because I don't enjoy leveling(very much in SWTOR, at least) and possibly even quit because I wouldn't be spending the majority of my time doing what I enjoy. This has been the most enjoyable MMO leveling experience that I've ever had, but to do the exact same quests twice for each class, especially after grinding 4 characters to 85, and 4 others anywhere from 60-80, I just can't stand repetitiveness.

If each AC is so much different, then the general class chosen at the beginning doesn't really prepare you for either of those, or it chooses one of those ACs to prepare you for.

I would feel more bonded because I would be able to spend more time on that character making him more "powerful", and not have to whore myself to alts just to play a different playstyle with the same stats.

Bump. I'd like some valid reasons as to why there should and shouldn't be as well as solutions.

I'll compile a list of why and why there shouldn't be dual advanced classes based on feedback and my own opinions, as well as solutions to allowing them. I'll start off by listing why I think there should be both advanced classes available(at a certain point). Pros/Why -Feeling more bonded to your character -Less time spent leveling alts(depends on whether or not you enjoy it) -Less time spent gearing alts(datacrons especially) -More trade due to people(who don't enjoy leveling alts) buying craftable items for both of their ACs Cons/Why Not -People may need for other AC/Loot-whoring/Spec-swappers(Solution: Master looter or need only available if the armor type is equippable for that AC; Due to no cross-realm LFG, you don't have to group with a person again[ignore them]) -Less diversity(Switching between two characters isn't any more diverse than using the same character) -Possibly less materials/crafted items for certain professions due to limit on a single character -ACs are completely different classes(True to an extent, but each AC shares the same primary stats so ACs are really just different playstyles) -Breaks the game(No reason needed, apparently) Solutions -At level 50, make a quest chain for each class(large preferably) that allows you to respec one or both of your specs to either AC aka you can have one spec as a sage and one as a shadow, both shadows and the ability to change one to sage, etc. and only have to pay normal respec price to to switch a spec between either AC. -"Leave as is. ;)" This is not what BioWare says, it's pros and cons, and your opinions/thoughts on them.

People leave at the "sign" of a loss. If they stayed and maybe tried knowing that there is a penalty, they could possibly pull through and win. And what's more enjoyable than being the underdog and winning, especially by very little?

Haha okay I see, that's what I was thinking, but I'm desperate for a fix, so I decided to try it.

Yeah, any other game is completely fine, no input lag in any aspect, only SWTOR, unfortunately. /: I'll try OnLive, thanks!

Just like everything I do in-game, there's always a split-second delay when I try to move the camera. In PvP, movement and ability delay is pretty much completely gone, although the camera still persists to be unresponsive, although everything was worse in PvP before. But the real trouble is in the open world, I get some nasty input delay on everything I do, including camera. It's not latency or any internet issues either. Also, somewhat related, is there an option to stop your camera from changing to a frontal view when you start to move?

Sorry everyone, I meant Collector's Edition, not Digital Deluxe. Digital Deluxe has been a tier after Collector's in every game I've played so I got them confused. :S

Bump. EDIT: For knowledge.

Thanks for the clarification.(: If you could upgrade like you can with collector's, I'd do it, but now I guess not./:

Then you just can't purchase it online or at reduced price even if you already have an account?

So this thread is just looking for a confirmation that you cannot upgrade a pre-existing (standard) account to digital deluxe? EDIT: Collector's Edition.

First off, not sure if this is the right section to post this in. With all the talk about fixing "ability" delay/lag by developers and players alike, does that include all input delay/lag such as moving or changing the camera view? Whenever they talk about it, they usually just mention ability delay/lag, not input delay/lag, which is what I have an excess of (includes both ability and input delay/lag). Thanks in advance for not flaming!