I feel like its definitely harder to play dps sin in solo and wz than for example merc but you do have tools to anticipate the incoming cc or damage, stealth, decent damage and utilities. U just cannot stand there like merc and take the damage. Now if you want hard try powertech/vanguard dps, you will see then what is hard or close to garbage. I love pw/van but for freak sake why mercs cannot share some of their defensive utilities with their brothers.

You know u can link snave videos right too (3 years of playing oper), and only thing he does is guard nodes most of the times since this is niche of operatives outside of that not much. Yes we can do damage but equally skilled mara, sniper or merc, sin will definitely out damage and us. You have so much cringe about something that is not OP,

Sure lets base our assumption on regular WZ where 3 operatives in 248 gank a dps..... Not like if someone would focus oper same way he would survive.................................... Could it be gank squad of sins.....maras or anyone else ? You would say no at this point right ?........................... You guys using your brain or what ? God i am almost at the point to say some sad things about you and other guy that supported you. Maybe dev should look at the class you playing nerf it so u get pissy and stopped posting this none sense.

Try to tell this Gingishan he seems to have strong believe that oper is OP when most don't think so. Just because oper excels in guarding and not allowing to cap nodes, it definitely doesn't make them op.

I am not sure what is this reference to. I played second season of legion at 2.3 i had no problems either it just arena is almost dead. Being in LFG or waiting for partners for 90 % and then playing 10 % isn't scenario most of us wants to enjoy. I am not fan of SWOTR balance nor how "often" fixes return and "how" knowledgeable dev about their own game but solo que is awesome tool. You log you que you win or loose and leave.

Yes, this new wow expansion probably not going to be better than legion but worse and wow arena PVP is at its last breath. So not sure how wow pvp is better than swotr. I personally fine with current dps operatives and don't feel like they op. i played wow since vanilla on and off getting glad in mop (my armory can prove that) reason i talked about wow the way i talked.

Its actually right. Merc, snipers were nerfed before. Oper is not op on any level. But you seemed very subjective when it comes to operatives based on your posts. Again let me put if out there, we are really good at certain role which is in WZ to cap and to stop capping but it doesn't mean we OP in overall. On maps where u don't need to cap anything we are average and in ranked we are border line average.

Coming soon to cartel market!

Basic knowledge of maps and understanding strategy that can be performed on each map is what most missing.. Lost so many times because people have no idea what is more important in a certain map and what isn't. Yesterday, on hypergate map, i kept enemy from capping for so long. So my team came to help me instead of dragging orbs to our side while enemy team tried to kill me and at the end everyone was wiped, enemy team capped and went 80 points ahead of us. Given that orbs orbs" was said few times. I simply just leave when this happens.

The whole dps spec it seems evolves around mobility and disruption. Reason we are so good in guarding or not allowing enemy to cap. But i can complain about sniper, mercs mara and those classes lot lot better then us despite our mobility and disruption. And if you ever do ranked you realized that good dps can 100 to 0 in a stun when you breaker is down. So when you say you can survive vs 3 low geared/noobs well i can do that on my merc or mara for that sake. So lets not exaggerate how good we are, yes we good but definitely not top tier for that matter. If you want to nerf someone here you go: mercs, mara, snipers and sorc healers.

Definitely valid topic, but this is what dev will do. Hey Joe they on again about our matching system. Ok Mike lets add new cartel pack.

If they implement this and you don't log, nothing will change except that more people will be happy about it. And way to be selfish in dying game........

Warhammer online (single private server - Age of Reckoning). I have wow account that was inactive for some time can always go back to it. But every time i go back to wow i regret it, i spent way too much time playing wow.

I don't see many Imp premades and don't see usually 3 + healers on IMP side (I play imp only) however i do see in the evening abundance of pub premades with 2+ healers. BTW any guild do regularly wz on SS and need sin tank or oper.?

^^ Well maybe its fatalistic view but i personally don't get upset with anything in swotr anymore. I just take it as is and when i get tired i just log off for months.

This thread is like beating a dead horse! Swotr now existed for quite few years and dev never listened to anything. Everything they do is according to their own game understanding and speed. There are so many small things that they could have done to improve the life of PVP but nothing ever done. And despite some efforts they do its like 5 step forward and then 10 step backwards. Good example current gearing process....... At this point threads like this is useless. Game is not far from maintenance mode. Servers got merged still there aren't that many people on. I guess the only thing that keeping this ship a float are few subs and cartel market. Once current population shrinks: another MMO is killed by incompetence and bad choices.

Maybe its good that that don't listen to US.. How clueless are you by asking to remove dodge from roll and not giving anything else then ? Did you ever play Oper........ What would happen if they remove dodge, operatives would be worse than PT dps.........

Throughout years Bio-Ware showed up that they extremely bad at balancing classes/specs in PVP. Also extremely slow at implementing any kind of balancing (sorc running wild for ages, mercs... etc). Furthermore completely omitting admitting that few spec and classes seriously outperforming others. With that in mind, and also knowing that whatever we write here won't do jack @@@@. Yes PVP balance now is probably better from let say when merc were running wild.. Still Here are the issues i discovered. Snipers(Engineering). Stun + aoe without breaker basically brings you to 10%. Sorc (healers) Decent sorc can almost triple top dps in healing number. Sorc (dps) Need defensive against training melee. Tanks(in dps gear) Simply stupid. Tank shall not put out so much aoe dps with their survival. Jugs (dps) Dies as as fast as sorc Mara Remove at least one defensive and one immunity. Best melee dps class with best immunity and great defense . Reg WZ should have similar prioritization of healers as in ranked. If 2 healers in que they should go on different teams. Its such "fun" to almost loose by default because other team got lucky and got 2-3 healers and our team has nothing. Premages should be ques vs premades or for that sake with only teams that reflect similar rooster. Meaning if premade has 2 healer they only will be qued vs other team with 2 healers even if its not premade. All WZ/ranked should be cross faction PERIOD. Lastly gear. 242 Gear should be starting gear. Despite that some say you get bolstered to 242 and fighting 248 isn't much of the deal. It is a big deal. I finally got to 248 with all pieces augmented. And the difference is quite big. And 248 should drop somewhere mid command level 150 and not 300.............. This gear grind is so stupid. 3 Tiers of useless gear: 230 236 and 242.........

Agree, but development is in the handicapped mode. I don't think they have enough developers. On top BioWare is in the reign of what considered to be the worse gaming company in the US -- EA -- Aso they mentioned that they cannot change current WZ to cross function... Total bs, of course they can. They don't want to invest into it... and to be totally honest why would they in dying game..

No thank you. I don't want to be in the game facing another pub premade with 3 healers. I don't want to be in the game where my team has 0 healers and enemy team has 2 (winning almost by default). I don't want to be in the game where despite there are 3 people standing not far from the node 1 enemy caps the node while our 3 dps completely ignores that enemy and at the end of the match saying look at your dps and look at mine..... So unless 1 and 2 are fixed..... Also this game is too small now to do something like that. At this point it probably would turn off more players from PVP than increase population.

OP doesn't know how "good" BioWare in reading these forums. Also this is not game that grows..... therefore i see almost nothing will be done. So you ether accept this madness or pass and play another game.

Leave survival after all they tanks but nerf damage by a big margin.

The ignorance of OP...... is LOL

Healer, mara for now situation is so awful as OP stated. Need matchmaking.

Thanks for sharing so now i know how to play my vanguard.