im a scoundrel but i look at both forums, i agree with what youve said there are good scoundrels/operatives out there. But we shouldnt be the only class that requires alot of effort, strategy, and skill to play. They all should be hard to master in my opinion, at least when you die by someone who is actually good then you can say, well i need to get better. What pisses us off is the fact that other classes can basically smash there face on the damn keyboard and put out the same amount of damage. we have 0 utility compared to other classes, and lets face it our sheild sucks balls.