Very true. But I still think Talzin's OP And I wouldn't blame you. I've had my faction since the first Kaggath, so I understand how mad you would be. I guess we would have to vote on it.

Yep. Not a team player, no. But I know you, and you won't use her as a team player. You'll use her alone, or to open the way for Maul to kill everyone. I mean, come on. The women can create impenetrable shields and theoretically destroy armies with her lightning. Sure, her rituals are time consuming, but with any agent, or you know, Black Sun, getting hair is easier than ordering a martini. Gethzerion? I'd ban her too, tbh. Anyone Palpatine exiled on a planet because he feared her strength is too strong to be a Kaggath contender. And yes, I am scared. But with a few adjustments I've been wanting to do I might just be a counter to you.

Well, s#!%. Honestly, I don't think Talzin should be allowed. If she is, than I think others who are banned should be allowed as well, she simply to powerful. Period. The women is a monster and would be practically impossible to stop. Also, of course we are going to share planets. I guess it will depend on who posts first, but I'm sure we will face off. We are right next to each other. EDIT: Sil, he would make a decent leader.

Sil, what are you thinking? PM me, I want/need to know. I might be able to help, I'm into weird niche topics in SW. And I'm still deciding between my light faction, or if should go criminal again. This criminal would be very abstract though, and I'm not sure if I like it yet.

I'm going with Aurbere on this one. Nar Shaddaa or nothing. Its just that location will really determine what happens with my faction. And urban environments really help. And I think the change I made, if allowed, will help quite a bit.

Please consider some city planets. We only had Coruscant last time, and I think it would be fun and help some of our less military mighty factions have a chance against Exar Kun

I'm still here and got the PM. I'd go for Exibitions. And I told you Sil! I told you you'd win! Revenge is mine Aurbere!!!! MINE

I'm may be wrong. But you might be also. This is all one assumption. And a massive one at that. So don't "address my so called facts". And you don't need to get sassy with me just because I'm questioning your theory. Getting defensive isn't an attractive trait. If you want me to believe it, perhaps you should find some actual evidence to support it. Dooku had access to a holocron. That's nice. Where, exactly does it say Graush recorded his spell there? In fact, it doesn't have it. Palps had the Syn holocron the entire Clone Wars. And since she personally recorded the spell, I'd trust that one myself. "The Jedi are easily fooled. The Sith have possessed the Syn Holocron since the time of Bane- the once in the Temple Archive was a spying device concealed with a shrouding spell." What is more likely, is that Cronal was unable to learn the spell, and went to Graush to learn it instead. And since Cronal was the alchemist that he was, he most definitly looked at the Syn holocron, considering his position with Palps and Syn being the OG alchemist. Oh, that quote sure is specific. And I wouldn't say Dooku's TK lectures were fundamentals, unless him teaching the highest classes at the Temple are now considered fundamentals. His knowledge of TK was unprecedented. I would definitely call them a secret, or at least to Ventress. And finally, I'd like to see Dooku practice Tsaiwinokka Hoyakut enough to be proficient to teach it. Why? Well, his contemporary, called any form of alchemy an affront to the living force. Are you telling me Dooku had the connection he did with the living force, yet was able to use Sith magic and alchemy? Oh, and that contemporary was Mace. So a reliable source to be sure. "The council rejects all inquiry into living alchemy, no exceptions. The act is an affront to the living Force."

Not really. Lesser arts could mean anything from cooking traditional Serenno food to shooting lasers out of her eyes. All lesser arts mean is that Dooku taught her things most people don't learn. OK. So, what lesser arts could Dooku teach? Cooking, TK (I don't need to explain this to you), the Living Force, Beast Taming... the list goes on. We know Dooku had unique powers, but no where has he ever, once, even come close to creating zombies. That means that he can't do it. Which means him teaching it to Ventress would be almost impossible. It's an assumption to claim it is Tsaiwinokka Hoyakut, and an even larger one to say Dooku taught her, especially with such a vague thing such as "lesser arts". Let's look at the facts. Tsaiwinokka Hoyakut is a Sith Spell created by Graush Cronal learns the spell directly from Graush Ventress raises the dead She never does so ever again We see someone who likely taught her use a spell to raise the dead I don''t see how it could feasibly be Tsaiwinokka Hoyakut, unless I can see pictures.

Those seem like huge assumptions to me. I'd much rather you find the quote, because that line of thinking isn't good for accurate debating. On another note, I just bought the Bounty Hunter's Handbook (or Guide), and Aurra Sing apparently read the Death Watch Manuel. Adding that to reasons she's a BAMF-is basically a Mando.

No, just using the internet. No pictures, at all. Plenty of dead corpses, but no zombies. I know she raised them, but using what means. And I still highly doubt she used Tsaiwinokka Hoyakut, as that is Sith Magic, something we have never seen Ventress use. Sorzus Syn I don't believe could even use it, although she kept the spell recorded. That's why Cronal found Graush in the first place- to get the spell from the creator. If Dooku, and Ventress could both use it, you'd think they'd have used it much more, and ii in turn would have been easier to study on Cronal's part.

So, to put us back on track, I have a few things to say: 1) Nope, Aurbere, we had different ideas. And to reveal how to stop Beni from gathering supplies- Take the space station. Surprising, I know. But, considering it's the only one even remotely near the battleground, Beni will need to take it, and hold it, to gain any advantages from space. He could use drop pods sure, but I'd like to note that the creatures in the jungle would wreck his forces, or at least be a struggle to defeat, and an impact would likely destroy any supplies. Add to it that Aurbere's forces know the land better and have the workplace of the Sith Intelligence, he would be able to scavenge them faster and more efficiently. Sil could take advantage of this too, and he could hold it far more securely than Aurbere. And I'm sure IG would love scanning these ships and having them enter access codes and security features into a terminal. Makes his job a whole lot easier. 2) So, I see the plan with raising the dead was released. I must say, your argument is quite a stretch their Aurbere. I even found this: "...apparently using the Dark Side to re-animate dead Gungans to aid her." Apparently. I don't like the sound of that. In fact, that makes me doubt it was even the Force at all. Much more likely would be Nightsister Magics, which also seems dubious, considering Ventress needed the elder Nightsister Daka to do it during the Battle of Dathomir. Even Talzin was incapable of doing so. I'm also struggling to find pictures of the reanimated gungans, or the process, making this inquisition even more challenging. Any help? P.S. If you want resistance, look at the Yinchorri.

We'll see about that!!!

Thank you. And actually, Aurbere, you are always great with walls of text, as you argue (even small points) with spoiler boxes. The rest of you need to learn from Warren, the master of the spoiler tagged wall of text. Feel free to run it by me. That said, I highly doubt they will. My plan is so obvious its painful- it likely went right over your head. Think simply. Perhaps look at a map. And since I don't think anyone called you out on Tsaiwinokka Hoyakut, I will be.

My lord, I've been gone for a while.And y'all are still debating rules. What is this, the CIC vs the Fist? I kid of course. So a couple things: First of all, you guys really need to trim your walls of text. It makes it impossible to read, and for that reason I stopped reading shortly after space concluded. Beni, I'm looking at you. Second of all, I had an epiphany, and want to share it. Two actually. 1)- There is a very easy way for both Aurbere or Sil negate Beni's space superiority. Aurbere could likely accomplish is first, but knowing Sil's troops, he could hold it longer. But I'll let you guys guess first 2)- I have to disagree on allowing Sil SoroSuub. This also applies to named people from organizations and organizations giving access to military soldiers and armies. If you wanted the troops, you should have picked them. If you wanted those allies, you should have picked them. Those things were debated in my round, and found to not be the case. You can't just undo that kind of ruling. P.S. That ruling guarantees every company in the galaxy to me during the loser's match. Just saying.

I'd would like to apologize now for any spelling errors I make or have made. I'm extremely exhausted right now, and it doesn't help that my computer is lagging severely. So, again, I'm sorry. I'm literate, I promise!

Really? I doubt that. First you have the Inquisitorius, a group of people that hunted down people who were "already dead". They found Jedi nobody could find, and searched the entire galaxy for them. That shows me that they have a serious intel network. Sure II helped. But the inquisitoriius is a branch of II, so they would have their own information. Especially on a pawn of Palps. Then you have Trench, who worked with Grievous, and would likely know how he commands. He would see teh formation of ships, and how the fight was progressing, and would likely realize it was Grievous, if he ddin't know already. Finally, you have Jerec. A Jedi during the reign of Grievous, and someone who devoted his life to learning secrets about all aspects of life. He would undoubtedly know the story of Grievous, and likely things nobody else knew. And who said anything about boarding the Malevolence? I didn't. I'm just pointing out it is possible.

So just to jump on this, I agree with Aurbere here. Everything is controlled from his brain. So overload it. All Grevious has are his vital organs, everything else is robotic. So, his brain would be connected to a robotic/automated nervous system. Overloading his brain would be simple, and potentially fatal. Send a painful signal and make it strong- that's it. It doesn't need to control Grevious at all. Just give him the world worst headache, and watch him claw his head to rip his brain out. Once done, either leave the signal, taking him out of the fight, or send another. This second signal would use the first as a distraction, and slip right through his distracted brain, into his limbs. From there, he lobs off his own head. Say goodbye

What the Banthas? Well, not everyone can be as good a reporter as me. Maybe next time, find a different scoop, huh, kid? There's always room fro reporters, but not like me. My 60's reporter impression. Good, or what?

"While an effective[2] and convenient ability, the mere ritualistic preparation of Force phantoms was an extremely exhausting process. The harvested life essence could do nothing to replenish the reserves of the darksider, and, without sufficient rest, the conjurer was beset with fatigue. Greater distance made the procedure additionally taxing, and prolonged long-range projection riddled the body with tremors as the creator struggled to maintain concentration. Because of the depleting nature of the technique, copious reserves of Force energy were required, usually those found in reservoirs of dark side power.[1] The inexperienced were compelled to sleep for days at a time as they built up the necessary tolerance to its effects.[3] If interrupted, the projection wavered as would a piece of fabric in a breeze; if focus was totally broken, or the creator was overextended, the illusion disappeared.[1] Phantoms were restricted to the gravitational standards of the world where the host was located[2] and were unable to fight with ranged weapons, instead forced to make do with the limits of their physical extensions.[3] Various sensor applications were able to expose a Force phantom's duplicity; through preliminary examination, the apparitions radiated with considerably more haziness than actual flesh and blood. Infrared scrutiny revealed a monotonously consistent hue, much different from the spectrum of color emanated by living beings. Both radar and sonar pings revealed their nonexistence, as Force phantoms had no real mass to reflect the signals. Force-trained individuals saw not only what was projected, but also the life to which the phantom was attached." Just wanted to drop that here. And this: "Every phantom you see here, every one you encounter, is connected to something that is distinctly real, distinctly alive—though possibly far, far away." "You're lying." "No, I'm not. You struck, and somewhere, some creature, perhaps a baby bantha, squealed in pain and was severed, killed before the disbelieving eyes of its mother—" "Stop it." "Why? It's the truth. Baby banthas are quite cute, you know. A terrible shame to see one cut in half." ―Darth Vectivus explains the incongruity of Force phantoms to Nelani Dinn That's right everyone! Beni likes to kill cute baby Banthas!!

I might just have to make that my new sig. Just saying.

Quite possibly the cutest emoticon (emoji for the kids) we have. On the other hand, quote possibly the only time I've ever heard you say those words. And Aurbere, you know you want to kick this off. EDIT: Classic Sil, beating me to posting. How rude

But look how close it was. And add to it I never posted my biggest argument (biggest derp of my life), I don't think you should take that win as anything. If done again, I might have bested you. And you deserve this. Every once of it

Then do it! I just want to use one of my factions again. Either the CIC or my next one. Or should I use that one...? And Sil, send it my way. I'll gladly read over and edit it for you. I might even add my argument.

So when is this starting?! I'm really excited, and have some ground tactics ready for all, but more so for Sil. Sorry Aurbere, but revenge must be had Also, still pushing for a loser's bracket. Although I would cede that if the next Kaggath is immediately after this finishes