zerg is the pejorative meaning of outnumbering the oponent in pvp, when he don't have tools to handle it, no matter of his skills, so actually its the "rape" in the world of pvp. In dedicated pvp games zeriging is a shame act, but what to do when a game offers that senario over all other action. And its not about rushing forward or not, you can rush or wait in any corner of the map - swtor arena pvp at the moment is about zerging under the fancy name of "focusing" Fraps a few arena fights and watch them back, like if you would never hear about swtor , you are a dedicated pvp player and wanna find a new game. What you would see? A crap zerg fest.. would you subscribe? I like this game, so I make suggestions in order to improve it. Arena was a confusing pvp patch, it was much better when we had just wz...But now arena is the endgame pvp event and its bleed from 100 wounds. Long, short, zergfest, even if there is just a chance to mentioned it, is the cancer of the game's pvp part.

Hi playing pvp for 14 years. Its my number one hoby. When zerg grabs the senario over 70% of the pvp events, then that game's pvp strats to die, and pvp players starts to find another game - its a fact! For swtor's arena pvp events, zerg is the base of all senarios for 100% of the time - you should understand bioware, that this is the worst thing what could happend to a games pvp system. Make a recieved dmg cap/sec for players, after that cap a shield should pop up, what cleans all stun effects and give 100% dmg reduction for 2 sec. In this game its a have to at the momment, to make the game skill based. At the momment, swtor's arena is just about : witch team zerg better. - belive me its fun for new pvp players for a month or two but then, even they will burn out, till there is no other(better) tactical option in your table. With this change, make wz's capture channel time much faster (the half of existing one) - now its a: zerg fest around the object . Here you go, you have a skill based pvp with as much senarion, as much skills you implanted, and ppl will love it for long.

Yes I was in some fights like that, they can stay alive, but there dmg is good for nothing... But if you mentioned 3 class combo in arena, what about 3 smasher? Lets be honest, smash is the cancer of swtor pvp and always will be! Yesterday my scoundrel (2000 expertise) eat a 10k + smash) And its aoe? Show me a skill like that in this game!

100% agree! 4v4 is a jail fight. 3v3, 2v2, but most important in my eyes 1v1!! Ofcorse we can do duels but I want coms and rateing after my duels! And lets be honest a 1v1 shows 10000 times more your actual pvp rateing, player skill then the 4v4 zerg fest. Its so clear like sky.

I don't think, that I'm not polite, I'm just good at recognizing frustrated kids. Now its 4:17 in the morning so I have no time to make a longer post so just ***** your self behind your monitor : p (ah and don't read my post all and over again if you don't like it, just ignor it, its simpple, no problem here!)

I actually hate the pankrator comment voice in hutball : P it would be nice to have voice options! Please do BW! I would like some space'y woman voice , )

haha : D

I play this game since launch, I had 2 guys on my ignor list (with all my chars) After arena landed in every 2. match there is some one who have some problem with me (Sage DPS) like I don't heal him if I see that ppl go down and I start to heal not just bubble, the the problem is: I don't do dmg This guys are in 100% dps non healer classes so they have to do nothing just click and if something goes wrong, ofcorse they find the victiom, the reason in some ones game play. So after this guys wish cancer to me and my family, and share there ORDER - " do not queue agai!" or "go back to pve", "**** you", "I *** your mother and she likes it..." so after this nice posts, they ignoring me - I'm a bit confused here way, theyignoring me???? When they where trash talk I ignore some of them as well after this actions.. Do you have the same experince?

what a broken *****

You realy should post some vids guys : )

OMG! You never ever played a Sorc in ranked arena : / Or you are ironec, its hard to tell , )

Its nice to see, that devs playing there own game, and having fun! By the way, they played very well! Just one thing what confuse me : way the Sorc didn't healed to full and then made them pay for attacking him Yea, defenatelly, the Sarce should learn to play, maybe he understod the class, but he is fare from master it

You mean, to make it a HIPS skill (hide in plane side) so to be able to hide till combat? - Would be epic and would needed but BW will never implant it : / With out of combat hide suggestion I ment to handle some how the "N1 target + visible, ranged class with channeling skills, so have to find good position for actually using his tools - but he can't coz visible... it would not influance team pve just arena fights. The HIPS would influance solo pve till it would restart the spawn, by the way, its would be welcome in my eyes : )

I just read it.... Lets just forget about this class : P So actually, they wanna nerf the class by lowering the force cost of there armor + lowering the dmg mitigation. I think they need a doctor, but a good one!

omg I didn't saw this : D I was just thinking on what could be this H2F : ) Its funny, that back in the days we had a song about It seems players should give a serenade. to begg for balance : p But honestly, the company should patch out this issue, grinding 200hours for a gear then p2p for queue 10 minutes - standing in the entrance of arena 2 minutes - pvp 2 sec - dieing queue - and again.... some classes has advantage here and there its ok, pvp in an mmo never will be perfectly balanced, its ok as well, but the sinario what I mentioned is more then a bad joke.

: ) this! Don't bother to buy pvp gear for them

Yes everyone saw this vid very nice.. issue solved.. Do you see how the oposit team react? Are they pro? (I bet its not even ranked) do you know, that dots can be clear by an insta cast on extra low cd? Just an example : what would do this 4 Sage if they face 4 shadow/assasin and they 1v1 them from hide? Every class can be exploit if they play vs a random team and have vent on. The vid is funny, if you like this kind of vids, I can make some how I gank outnumbered players in pve gearl in open word till I use full expertise... and vids like that. By the way, its nice that this guys had fun, but its nothing to do with this issue and I'm 100% sure, that after 20 matches with this setup, they stoped it, coz it seems boring and I can't even call it pvp. Its - drinking a bear or two, having fun in vent, till taking down random teams with a game exploit (and its an exploit just vs new players who don't immidiatelly clean the dots)

Thanks for your advice, but belive me, if that 4 player focus on you, and they will, they will ignore the tank in there back : / (they don't have to take atention) From the reason, that everyone who played this game more then 2 hours know, that Sage/Sorc will go down extra fast if they land a stun on him (the first stun he dismiss, but then comes the 2. and dead.... and its aproximatelly takes 2 sec. Maybe I never played with a good tank, but I can't imagine a senario, when he can rescue me. The only scenario what I can imagine: - 3 trooper casting stealth scan around the sage non-stop -sage cast healing trans to them non-stop to make the 3 crit ticks for salvation -when the ops team jumps on sage (they can't do it from hide, coz of non-stop scan from troopers), the sage dropes the insta salvation (coz of gathering the 3 crit healing trance points and then after made a force will (if can) immidiatelly cast force barrier, so troopers get the salvation, they dps and befor the salvation ends, they stun the ops team(lets say it makes a pause, but if any of them has stun free left then not so), then sage leave barrier and cast another salvation, then sprint to position. But the mentioned game should be called: "Lets save the Sage online" not swtor pvp and in this case I dont wanna be the Sage lol. But how I mentioned it, I bought sage pvp gear coz sage was fine in wz (in a way for healer, not that great like scoundrel, and in the end for dps but playable) But in Arena its not playable! Ok vs a very, very crap team he is, but come on...

Pardon me but what tree you mentioning? The full seer + full balance+ full tk? How you make them pay to attacking you when you are on healing tree, so can heal up, by the way, try to cast force med+ rejuvenate + healing trance +(if you lucky with your rotation your ht clicks 3 crit) + (if 3 crit ht) insta salvation.. so this toration till 4 ppl focus on you and try to stun you non-stop! Ah by the way, lets say you made it(lol what a nonsens joke!!: D), you are on full hp resisted all 4 players stun (god knows what hack it is..) and then with what skill you make them pay? With an epic TK or with a great project? : D Yes, its definitely an L2P issue : D

Oh realy? When after the Arena match or befor it? Coz not if I'm the N1 target with the weakest defense and get stooned in the first sec by a stealth player 100% of the time if I play arena.. By the way, roll a Sage a heal up your char to full! Its OP you should try it man, what are you waiting for?

Everyone see it... After the patch in the first days of my arena adventures some ppl told me that its just coz I have 1920 expertise.. lol sure But for now, they agree and recomend me to simply change class... When I will get back my ranked and wz commendations BW? What I spent for gearing up the dismissed class? I spent around 170-200 hours in wz to gather the coms for my Sage gear. I hope I will get this coms back **** fast!

For PvE dps: - make disturbance insta cast in every 5 sec - make telekinetic wave land a 20% armor penetration (same as commando's I. round) with the same time interval and 3 stucks. For Arena PvP: -let n. sacrefice force degeneration effect hide the caster (not HIPS just stealth -so out of combat) for long as force degeneration effect active. Dmg or using of dmg skill finish the stealth, buff, heal not. This would solve the first few sec in arena, where Sage/Sorce is the N1 target + visible but would need to degenerate force reg. rate and hp, for starting in a good position. - give force slow the 2 sec immobilize effect in TK tree - give mental alacrity the same effect like "hold the line" and make its CD a bit lower. (the only defense for Sage/Sorce in pvp is mobility) I mirrored my suggestion with othe role's skill tree and I see no unbalance to make them live. TK Sage/Sorc should be glass cannon in pve, but they are the worth compaired to sniper/gunslingger/mara/sent - should be patched imo. Sage/Sorce is the N1 focus target in Arena but they have nearly zero tool to handle it - barrier could work in wz but useless in arena, you just dismiss your char from fight, making it a 3v4 till barrier is off and you'r char dies - till barrier, you are immobil, absolutely visible and everyone knows when it will collaps (good for nothing in arena.

Probably no one was focusing on you and some how you where able to spawn your dusturbance + tw non-stop till all enemy was in one spot (probably tried to guard + dps the melee guys who was focusing on healer. Share your future experiance as well lease.

would be funny to see, the 4 sorc vs 4 assasin or 4 mara or even 4 jug. Or the 4 sorc vs 4 scoundrell dps, when scoundrell go stealth and KO all 4 sorc in 1v1. I see you having fun in vent and its the most importan , ) Keep up the good times, but what the "great" pvp patch bought for us is just exploiting the classes no skillful game play what could lead to uninstal - if you exploit the class like that, you burn out and uninstal if you are the victim, you get frustrated and uninstal - not good for swtor.. I hope the devs working on something.