Pyro has the possibility of criting 3-3.8k every 2-4 seconds. AP does not. Pyro has a second skill that crits for 3.5k+. AP does not. (I can understand the "Oh, it's a pure chance thing then", but when you have a ~35% chance to crit, the odds are pretty good). This is with no cds popped. Pyro essentially has a constant DoT that that slows the target as well. AP does not. Pyro has more damage/crit bonus talents in their tree than AP (and the important ones in AP are easily gotten in a Pyro build as well) AP's most potentially damaging skill is pretty difficult to land in PVP. AP has a lot of "free" heat skills, but heat is really never a problem even for Pyros. If you look at the talent trees, Pyro is built towards DPS much more than AP, while AP is more utility. And really, why does it seem like some people are saying Pyros aren't melee? Our fighting range in 4-10 m, but most generally get right up in people's faces.

People often mistaken PTs as crap DPS (for whatever reason). The only comparible class is a DPS sorceror; no other DPS class can compare. Operators will win at the beginning if they get that opening backstab, but that's getting nerfed. PTs are very viable for endgame PVE and PVP. PVE: Tanks hate me as I always pull aggro. PVP: Average 400k damage in a full game. Have fun raining hell on everyone. Edit: I guess I should add that I have only above average gear. I've done each HM over 10 times, and only gotten one Columni. Not an exaggeration either as I go with the same group and I started ninjaing Sith Inquis gear (really Bioware, even out the drop odds). 1 Columni, 3 Tionese, and the rest are Champion. So not exactly top of the line gear and my PT is destroying things already.

I'm really surprised anyone is even discussing this. You'd be worthless in HM FPs. 2 pts in Electro Surge and 2 pts in Advanced Tools? No point in Jet Charge and 10% shield?

So you want us to use 2k credits for -1 material in over an hour? Ok there.