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I know this thread has come up but it is obviously being ignored by the devs. Maybe Translocate should be insta cast like holotraverse, since technically it is most likely using similar technology...Would actually make it back onto my bar if it did.
It should. I still use it on cooldown in yolo and tr. For yolo obviously i am targeting team merc to swap the focus do he can take the pressure off me with reflect, while in tr its a good way to remove anyone from focus.
Making it instantcast and with a little bit of damage reduction 5-15% would make it a fantastic and gamechanging skill for both pve and pvp.
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Like this is nothing big or anything, but could we maybe get back the channeling for ion storm and flamethrower? because I liked the channeling animation and it looked really cool and also the new instant ion storm doesn't do as much damage like before the 5.0 patch. I just miss have that longer ability to use and i was able to tank more with the channeling wide spread where I could rotate it before. Like it's not anything important but it would be sooo cool to get just the channeling back, and nothing else if you guys want. Like if you guys can think just about that maybe in future class changes that would be great. Just channeling, that's it! Other than that keep up the great work at Bioware and others!
NO. The channeling sucked. The only things they should do is to fix the damage delay on searing wave compared to ion storm, and increase its damage on pyrotech. The channeling sucked after 2.4 and was never good enough again. With so many mobility improvements u will Not hit a barn because it will roll away. Instantcast on tank hits Like a truck and i would never want it on channel again.
From pvp point of view instant cast is much better and the ability to finish of a Guy with a 30k hits back to back is nothing to sneeze at.
So No! No channeling!
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This is what i think should be done to PT and VG to make them in pair with the other specs.
Powertech/Vanguard
First fixes should be ammended to utilities, as they are a total mess. Most of them are worhless, and ovestreched between too many pointless disciplines (Excuse me for not using vanguard terms):
Utilities
Masterful Tier:
- Combine Pneumatic Boots with Torque Boosters from Heroic their making it still Masterful
- Combine Prototype Electro Surge in Enhanced Paralytics
- Combine Accelerated Reel into Adaptable Assailant
Heroic Tier:
As mentioned above plus:
- Introduce Energy Rebounder (from Advanced Prototype) across ALL Powertech specs by making it Heroic Tier utility.
- Introduce Automated Defenses across ALL Powertech specs by making it another Heroic Tier utility returning PT to 40-50% health instead of 35%.
Legendary Tier:
- Shield Cannon should improve the number of Shoulder Missiles by 3 across ALL specs. Healing factor should remain the same, but the cooldown should be reduced by 15 seconds.
- Pressure Overrides should be replaced by a more usefull utility not tied to a 120s cooldown. Replace it or make it more usefull by adding railshot, and fixing the searing Weave.
- Fuel Additives makes no sence from both PVE and PVP standpoint of view. 5% damage increase for a tank every 120s is not even woth it for PVP. While damage reduction for DPS specs is meaningless if it's tied to this one. This is even worse than shield cannon, as you cann't just hold the loeaded utility and can only use it as an innitial burst, making it completly obsolete if you are not focused/taking damage.
- Battering Ram should be fixed as well as Jet charge. currently you are likely to stay in the place you used your jet charge proc without leaping to the enemy.
Skills:
Shield Tech:
- Translocate should be instant cast, with additional % of damage reduction on translocated target. cooldown should remain the same
Pyro Powertech:
- Whith Automated Defenses moved to utilities and Energy rebounder moved from AP also there is a spot for a burst damage passive skill that would potentialy increase both sustained and burst dps.
- Remove Searing Wave skill delay when dealing damage across ALL specs using it (its vanguard counterpart Ion Wave is applying damage instantly while Searing Wave have at least 0.5s delay making it even harded to hit with its cone.
- Superheated Flamethrower stacks should be applied whren reload/recharge ability is used.
- *Note: Pyro is underperforming because of it's long initial rotation, which makes it unusable across PVP, aside from no real big hitters which could finish off the target. Increase its dps and burst accourdingly to the PVE parse standards made by other AOE dot classes (Laceration, Lethality, Engineering)
Advanced Prototype:
- With Energy Rebounder moved to utilities make a new passive skill which increases range on all main rotation skills except Magnetic Blast, Gut and Rocket Punch by additional 5-10 meters. this should solve AP problems with a dps loss on high mobile targets and make it a midrange spec compared to the pyro and the shield tech being melee.
- Energy Burn should remove the dot effect and instead add that damage to energy burst damage, making it more in pair with burst abilities such as: Heatseeker Missiles.
With Energy Rebounder, Shield Cannon and Automated Defenses PT across all specs will get enough boost to DCDs to survive the 1v1 and have the time of the DCDs reduced under focus fire, while also having "OHSNAP" ability.
- Combine Pneumatic Boots with Torque Boosters from Heroic their making it still Masterful
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While I agree that PT clearly needs some love for defensives, I don't think giving DPS passive h2fs is a good idea. All the heals DPS have are part of the problem in PVP. Having some classes who need to be killed twice to make it stick and other classes that only need to be killed once, is pretty obviously an inbalance creator IMO. There are ways of increasing survivability/defenses that don't include heals, Marauders being an example as such.
H2f is a very strong ability for anyone, especially when other's can't hope to match it. Healing large amounts of health should be left more in the hands of the healers. Some self-healing is okay for DPS, but a DPS shouldn't be able to heal more than half his health in an instant. Overlapping roles leads to longer TTKs. The heal fests we see in WZs are very often lopsided and the team with more healers tends to do better than the teams with less [or non], it's really the same for anyone with heals. The groups with DPS classes with stronger personal heals than DPS on the other team with less personal heals can lead to a similar outcome.
We don't want to create new OP classes, and just repeat the mistakes of the past. If it was bad for mercs, there is no reason to assume it wouldn't be bad for any other class. Granted mercs had excessive other DCDs that a PT wouldn't have and that clearly is a mitigating factor, but when balance is what you are going for, you really can't find it by giving some more than others.
Were they to throw PTs the reflect with possible heals to the PTs if people pound away at it, that's something else, as it's not a guaranteed H2F [although if history has taught us anything, those PTs will likely be getting h2fs a great deal of the time anyways heh]. PT's do have some minor self healing already, a passive h2f on a DPS will ensure that some people need to be killed twice and others only once. That's a DPS buff in and of itself right there too boot! =p
I have couple of points i would like you to consider before making class changes:
Powertech/Vanguard
First fixes should be ammended to utilities, as they are a total mess. Most of them are worhless, and ovestreched between too many pointless disciplines (Excuse me for not using vanguard terms):
Utilities
Masterful Tier:
- Combine Pneumatic Boots with Torque Boosters from Heroic their making it still Masterful
- Combine Prototype Electro Surge in Enhanced Paralytics
- Combine Accelerated Reel into Adaptable Assailant
Heroic Tier:
As mentioned above plus:
- Introduce Energy Rebounder (from Advanced Prototype) across ALL Powertech specs by making it Heroic Tier utility.
- Introduce Automated Defenses across ALL Powertech specs by making it another Heroic Tier utility returning PT to 40-50% health instead of 35%.
Legendary Tier:
- Shield Cannon should improve the number of Shoulder Missiles by 3 across ALL specs. Healing factor should remain the same, but the cooldown should be reduced by 15 seconds.
- Pressure Overrides should be replaced by a more usefull utility not tied to a 120s cooldown. Replace it or make it more usefull by adding railshot, and fixing the searing Weave.
- Fuel Additives makes no sence from both PVE and PVP standpoint of view. 5% damage increase for a tank every 120s is not even woth it for PVP. While damage reduction for DPS specs is meaningless if it's tied to this one. This is even worse than shield cannon, as you cann't just hold the loeaded utility and can only use it as an innitial burst, making it completly obsolete if you are not focused/taking damage.
- Battering Ram should be fixed as well as Jet charge. currently you are likely to stay in the place you used your jet charge proc without leaping to the enemy.
Skills:
Shield Tech:
- Translocate should be instant cast, with additional % of damage reduction on translocated target. cooldown should remain the same
Pyro Powertech:
- Whith Automated Defenses moved to utilities and Energy rebounder moved from AP also there is a spot for a burst damage passive skill that would potentialy increase both sustained and burst dps.
- Remove Searing Wave skill delay when dealing damage across ALL specs using it (its vanguard counterpart Ion Wave is applying damage instantly while Searing Wave have at least 0.5s delay making it even harded to hit with its cone.
- Superheated Flamethrower stacks should be applied whren reload/recharge ability is used.
- *Note: Pyro is underperforming because of it's long initial rotation, which makes it unusable across PVP, aside from no real big hitters which could finish off the target. Increase its dps and burst accourdingly to the PVE parse standards made by other AOE dot classes (Laceration, Lethality, Engineering)
Advanced Prototype:
- With Energy Rebounder moved to utilities make a new passive skill which increases range on all main rotation skills except Magnetic Blast, Gut and Rocket Punch by additional 5-10 meters. this should solve AP problems with a dps loss on high mobile targets and make it a midrange spec compared to the pyro and the shield tech being melee.
- Energy Burn should remove the dot effect and instead add that damage to energy burst damage, making it more in pair with burst abilities such as: Heatseeker Missiles.
With Energy Rebounder, Shield Cannon and Automated Defenses PT across all specs will get enough boost to DCDs to survive the 1v1 and have the time of the DCDs reduced under focus fire, while also having "OHSNAP" ability.
- Combine Pneumatic Boots with Torque Boosters from Heroic their making it still Masterful
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Thanks for a communication on your end guys! This reminds me of the times when class representatives were present to articulate problems with their class pool.
I have couple of points i would like you to consider before making class changes:
Powertech/Vanguard
First fixes should be ammended to utilities, as they are a total mess. Most of them are worhless, and ovestreched between two many pointless disciplines (Excuse me for not using vanguard terms):
Utilities
Masterful Tier:
- Combine Pneumatic Boots with Torque Boosters from Heroic their making it still Masterful
- Combine Prototype Electro Surge in Enhanced Paralytics
- Combine Accelerated Reel into Adaptable Assailant
Heroic Tier:
As mentioned above plus:
- Introduce Energy Rebounder (from Advanced Prototype) across ALL Powertech specs by making it Heroic Tier utility.
- Introduce Automated Defenses across ALL Powertech specs by making it another Heroic Tier utility returning PT to 40-50% health instead of 35%.
Legendary Tier:
- Shield Cannon should improve the number of Shoulder Missiles by 3 across ALL specs. Healing factor should remain the same, but the cooldown should be reduced by 15 seconds.
- Pressure Overrides should be replaced by a more usefull utility not tied to a 120s cooldown. Replace it or make it more usefull by adding railshot, and fixing the searing Weave.
- Fuel Additives makes no sence from both PVE and PVP standpoint of view. 5% damage increase for a tank every 120s is not even woth it for PVP. While damage reduction for DPS specs is meaningless if it's tied to this one. This is even worse than shield cannon, as you cann't just hold the loeaded utility and can only use it as an innitial burst, making it completly obsolete if you are not focused/taking damage.
- Battering Ram should be fixed as well as Jet charge. currently you are likely to stay in the place you used your jet charge proc without leaping to the enemy.
Skills:
Shield Tech:
- Translocate should be instant cast, with additional % of damage reduction on translocated target. cooldown should remain the same
Pyro Powertech:
- Whith Automated Defenses moved to utilities and Energy rebounder moved from AP also there is a spot for a burst damage passive skill that would potentialy increase both sustained and burst dps.
- Remove Searing Wave skill delay when dealing damage across ALL specs using it (its vanguard counterpart Ion Wave is applying damage instantly while Searing Wave have at least 0.5s delay making it even harded to hit with its cone.
- Superheated Flamethrower stacks should be applied whren reload/recharge ability is used.
- *Note: Pyro is underperforming because of it's long initial rotation, which makes it unusable across PVP, aside from no real big hitters which could finish off the target. Increase its dps and burst accourdingly to the PVE parse standards made by other AOE dot classes (Laceration, Lethality, Engineering)
Advanced Prototype:
- With Energy Rebounder moved to utilities make a new passive skill which increases range on all main rotation skills except Magnetic Blast, Gut and Rocket Punch by additional 5-10 meters. this should solve AP problems with a dps loss on high mobile targets and make it a midrange spec compared to the pyro and the shield tech being melee.
- Energy Burn should remove the dot effect and instead add that damage to energy burst damage, making it more in pair with burst abilities such as: Heatseeker Missiles.
With Energy Rebounder, Shield Cannon and Automated Defenses PT across all specs will get enough boost to DCDs to survive the 1v1 and have the time of the DCDs reduced under focus fire, while also having "OHSNAP" ability.
- Combine Pneumatic Boots with Torque Boosters from Heroic their making it still Masterful
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Since 5.0 Bioware is no longer including class changes in the patch notes. This comes down to stealth nerfs mostly, but we would like to see those adjustments noted under patch notes.
patch 5.1.2
Minor changes like Shield Tech Powertech flamer damage reduced,
Patch 5.2
Minor changes to Mercenary defensive cooldowns
Patch 5.2.1
Minor changes to Mercenary Arsenal spec and minor damage changes to Blazing bolts and heatseeker missile.
This SHOULD be stated and noted as class changes, because i would like to know when the freaking class is taking any changes to skills. I will not guess what else was changed.
I don't want and will not accept being treated like an idiot who can't see when a class is changed. I want Bioware to behave properly and state those changes.
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Two full 242 sets on my PT alone. Add almost 2 full merc 242 sets to it and 1/2 of the sets for OP and Sniper.
People ARE geared. It just takes time.
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Brennet/Mercenary/Arse
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competitive?
Solo ranked in swtor is by no means competitive in any way. If you think otherwise youre just deluding yourself. Actually, real competitive gamers (which have abondond swtor, mind you, thats why losers like you feel like theyre any good) tend to be nice and friendly. That is because having lots of social skills is an essential part in performing in team based competitive games.
So there is no correlation between competitive gamemode and players beeing rude and insulting, the actual correlation is that players that lack social skills often lack gaming skills aswell. So people like you who lack the intellect to realize that playing a "competitive" gamemode is no excuse for insulting, are a big part of the problem.
Honestly, people ranting in swtor pvp are nothing but losers and i feel pity for them, ranting in game that has no pro scene at all is nothing but bankruptcy declaration of their life.
It has some irony that players think they could insult others for beeing not that good, while 99% of the gaming world would just die laughing about swtor pvp called "competitive".
But that doesnt matter. Its irrelevant what game, or even real life, it doesnt matter how good you are you always should treat your teammates and enemies with respect. A true champion like lionel messi wouldnt yell at his keeper if he did a mistake, he would try to motivate him to keep going. Thats called sportsmanship.
P.S.: There is literally nothing to gain in solo ranked swtor at all that is worth anything besides fame and respect. But you wont get any of it if you dont act modest, honorful and be with full respect before others.
You still presume that i am calling people names when playing Yolo. I haven't said anywhere that i aprove talking other players into suicide. In fact i haven't said anything about it focusing purely on the matter of skill OP has. Because that is the main reason he was called in the first place (rightfully or not).
Stop this crap with: "rest of the world would this and that". Are you the rest of the world combined? I hear the same bullcrap talk every time i play an MMO: "this game is laughable and not very competitive". EVERY MMO.
As for insulting me personally. It is proven that smarter people are actually not only cursing more, but also insulting others more (you can find various reaserches about that subject published by renowned research parties). Not being nice might have nothing to do with lack of social skills. As i said. I do not expect fireman to be nice when my house is burning. I expect that he will use all his skills to put the fire down before i will lose the building.
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Perfect example of the elitist toxicity if you queue Ranked. Good to know you are there to support only those as good as you. God forbid you helped anyone.
I am not. Being blunt doesn't mean i do not support people. In fact you haven't been more wrong. I am creating tutorials for people on my server, explaining math behind gearing and rotation, as well as helping people with performance and teamplay both on TR and Yolo.
That being said i still think that if you queue as a healer without proper experience you cripple your team more than you would by going dps. The reason is simple - as you might noticed healer games are based on healer tunnel (especialy with all those mercs flying around). And so if your healer is globaled because he doesn't know how to position himself or minimalize focus on him, he should practice more. remeber that once the healer is down you have only several seconds to nuke the other, or your team will fail.
You have never played Mario Kart with my friends or family... the battle mode gets downright gladiatorial.There's one character I intend to take to ranked when she hits max gear and she is a healer, but I've been playing her in PvP for almost six months now and every match to me is a way to improve. No matter how good I get- I want to get better and it's all so I can legitimately contribute. I'm aware how high the stakes are as a healer and you need a tough skin to start with because you need to know the difference between your screw ups and your team trying to pin their shortcomings on you for the next match.
Well. If you wan't to improve, go on Thieve's Den on Tatooine and take 3 dps with you. Let them team up, and start focusing you hard. Train until dead. Repeat. Profit. (this training is all about learning how to position yourself to LOS and keep surviving as long as possible).
Is incredible how you are surprise of being called a jerk and then you try to humiliate him.The OP complained about that kind of behavior, but you and a couple of your jerk buddies only read that "another noob wants to play in our elite group" and decided to justify your insults:
* Its BW fault because... (insert any of the bad this BW did)
* it his fault for being a noob
* Blah, Blah, blah
And you people complain about low population for pops and bad balance. Well, if you keep like this, it will only get worse. Let less skilled people play, you may loose of few ranks but if population get better then pairing should also get better. Having two or three ranked leagues would be even better, but with low population for pvp (worst in ranked), never going to happen.
And whos fault is it? Mine? I learned most of the stuff myself, or by talking to other players here and there. This is a gosh darn MMO which is theoreticaly Skill Based (yeah i know). To progress and aquire skill you need to spend certain amount of time playing it. Most "Weekend Warriors" will never compete with Team Ranked palyers because they simply do not have the time to learn.
Having several leagues was never possible. ELO rating and the first 10 games are screwed, and here is why:
When you do not have the official rating aquired (first 10 games), you might be matched with ANY rating players, even way above 1500. I had talked to players who landed up in 1700+ rating team, where the others landed in 900+. This creates an uneven start for some people, and is based purely on RNG. If you do not win all 10 games at the start (as a good player) you will be condemened to rarely raise your rating above 1200, because you will land up in a bracket with people that are simply not skilled as you are. You have multiple sites describing the idiocity of ELO rating.
So yea... it is bioware fault. Also, because of the class balance, lack of bolster and DLV gear amongs others (skill qualification included), people that are fresh have slim chances of winning. I would even say that ranked is exacly like the raids in any MMO: if you do not have propler gear and knowledge you are not fitted to do the raid. The team might not even invite you (and they will not if you consecutively make them wipe...)
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This is a completely stupid analogy. First, BW encourages you to play ranked with big first time bonuses for trying it out. There is no warning that the vast majority of people in rank are *****holes who take this game way too seriously. The game mechanics are set-up so you get rewards for playing ranked whether you win or lose and after 4 matches you (even 4 losses) you get a nice reward.
So your interpretation of ranked is obviously much different that the interpretation of the game developer who encourages all to try ranked. Maybe their should be some different skill buckets, whatever but the vileness of the folks I've grouped with is definitely uncalled for and is a real turn off for new players. And no, the "don't que" didn't bother me more the other stuff and the fact there was not even one polite whisper saying "maybe practice more" or "maybe switch to DPS" or anything constructive.You jerks in ranked are going to turn new players away from it and without new players the game dies. I'm coming to this game from DDO, which is about dead now because of the lack of new players.
It's not an interpretation. Its the reality of ELO rating.
"Maybe practice more?" "Maybe i should tie your shoes and pack you a lunch?" - what is this? Why do people try to excuse their lack of time, attention and skill with this nonesence. I might be blunt, but if someone needs to learn how to play he is not: "rendered incapable of acting properly in that given moment". This is an MMO, and if you don't have time to get better, you can't expect others to treat you on the same level.
You presume too much. Calling me yerk (seriously?!) because i expect "you" to perfom when i am in a team with you, and you do not deliver is a bit over the top don't you think? As long as Rating works as it does, people will rant on weaker skilled players for their poor performance. If you do not like to take competitive environment i strongly suggest you should try out Mario.
Bioware wants us to play PVE to gear for PVP. Does that mean we want/need to do it? Your point is invalid. They are about as oblivious to the game balance as they are to ELO rating failure.
It's nice that you are comming from a PVPless game. How was RP there? Were all the people nice?
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I'm new to this game; played during BETA and maybe a month after launch, but nothing more. I've just got my healer to 70 and have really enjoyed unranked PVP so decided to try out ranked. Never have I came across such jerks, a-holes, and just not nice people. Never a suggestion other than to , "please don't que", "you are undoubtedly the worst healer ever", "please quit this game", "delete this game", "go kill yourself (my favorite)" and several other variations that spanned 4 games. I've met some real nice people in in-ranked and throughout the game but ranked has made me want to quit. This is the same grief my 12 year old son got as well; just deplorable human beings I've ran into. I've sent whispers saying to back off from my son and got more of the same crap. It's subscribers that pay for this game and I currently have two subs, but the if this is the way all new players are treated then i'm not sure how this game can grow.
Before i will answer, let me ask you a question? Would you run a bus full of people without a driver license?
Ranked are comeptitive and rewarded for victory, while penalized for a loss. I do not expect people to be nice, but to perform, because no matter how nice you are - at the end of the day you are not rewarded for it. Its not grief, its not crap - this is the reality.
To put it into more militaristic background: if your 4man navy seal team is deployed anywhere in the hostile teritory and your only quality is pottery, you are not very useful to the team, arent you?
There is a difference between unranked and ranked warzones. You are not penalized for a loss in unranked warzones, so noone cares. Yes, your reward is smaller, but you are still rewarded. But in ranked, you actually lose something.
The biggest issue is the ELO itself, because it penalizes players that have the skill but were unlucky on team comps, and lost their forst 10 games. After you get into a 1000-1200 rating hellhole you are (most of the time) doomed to play with lesser skilled players. And since there is not enough players for solo ranked to begin with, you end up against a team with above average rating (because system pairs people with equal ratings), and you just die again because you are paired with people that do not know, how to play it on a higher level (for various reasons).
In other words, your attitude is not helping the team. For ranked environment you should not only have the above average knowledge about your own class, but also an average knowledge about all the other classes, to be more effective. When you decide to go unprepared by any means (gear, skill, knowledge, tech spec of your PC), you should expect to lose thus making your own team lose because of you.
So if you doubt your ability to play it - train some more, and try again when you get enough skill.
And if you do think you are ready - perform on the proper level, so that your team will feel it.
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signed............Mercs have great ranged dps burst, great survivability and have electro net so if their DCDs are up they are almost invincible in a 1 on 1 fight.
Either tone down their survivability or take away their electro net.
Even at it's peak, Madness Sorc wasn't as OP as Merc is now, Sorc got nerfed into the dirt for nothing and Merc got made into gods, great balance.
Its easy to tone them down by just taking one of their defensive cooldowns/utilities to Vanguard which would also fix problem for underperforming PT/VG.
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I play IO sometimes and also seen a few others, it's obviously harder than arsenal but it actually has pretty darn good burst but you just can't mash random buttons like in arsenal and expect to perform well.
I am a dedicated IO player, but as much as i like it it just isn't cutting the deal for TR. Dots are making it much harder to manage the any swaps/mezzes synchro. Besides swaping requires to much prep time on the dots. BUT if u play split dps then yeah, it works. Especially when you are dedicated to deal with sorc/sniper/mara
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Merc is fine. The whole time Sins and Sorcs went around OP killing people at will we were told L2P. I will say the same to you. If you are struggling against Merc/Mando its a L2P issue.
Sorry but you are full of bullcrap. Wasting time on typing here where most of us have multiple toons (including me playing a mercenary/commando since pre release). Mercs do need slight adjustment which would remove one of their defensive utilities: Trauma Regulators or Responsive Safeguards. This would balance the issue PT/Merc. And yes i know how to kill a merc. Excusing mercs with sin/sorc opness back in a day doesn't realy cut the chase doesn't it?
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Hey there, could you help me with a rotation or priority list to hit that type of damage? i feel like i am just spaming flame sweep mostly. hitting firestorm, railshot, and rockt punch on cooldown. Any other advice?
Shutter slug for 75% slow to peel?
The new aoe noone remembers name off - when facing 3+enemies. Just be sure to begin with slow on shutter, then flame and then use the last AOE, then you can reset the free flame sweeps with a jump or, pull someone back with grapple+RP to spread also railshot.
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Hey folks,
We wanted to explain a little bit about why this process delayed the Season 7 rewards.
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Hi.
Thanks for the update on this.
Could we get any chance to have a round of conversation with dev team about the possible changes to classes.
Some of them are just fixes (simple buggs here and there), while the other require more of a discussion (balance issues). Simple buggs could be fixed quite fast and would help classes to perform any environment (PVE/PVP) as it should.
I know this might not be the place, nor the time, but i personaly feel we lost all lines of communication with the dev team.
thanks.
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Thank you for the utility tip! I wondered if anyone used that utility in PVP as it seemed like it could be a great way to keep sents/marauders out of the way of the healers for a short time or, pull the ball carrier back to reality.
You mention that endurance gear is a waste for TR and that you are going full skank tank. Can you share your approach to gearing? It would be appreciated as I would like to see what other mods etc folks are using om Vanguards post 5.0.
Cheers,
Sure! I had exajurated abit, because of TRE meta. I do have 2 sets, 1 of them being 240s (except couple of armorings for set bonuses purposes) the other being 230/240s, but here it goes:
- Full Skank dps gear: All Lethal Mods (high power), 2 Alacrity Enhancements enahcements - rest for Crit (Adept & Quick Savant), DPS relics, Versatile Stim, Implants, and Earpieces for crit, all Augments with Mastery, shield generator.
- When to use:I am using Skank tank against sniper, mara, sin combo, because PT is not then directly forced into melee with 2 melee dpsers that can launch AOE. 48% crit, 72% surge makes your Searing wave deal with that sniper quite well scoring you even 28k hits.
- Survival gear: All mods and Enhancements Highest endurance+crit, All augments with high endurance & Power, Versatile stim, shield generator, Earpieces and Implants with Shield & Defense/Power & Crit.
- When to use:Against Eng sniper+mara+PT tank, 2 melee DPS on the opposite team, 2 Ranged DPS paired. Why? Against 2 melee or mara+eng combo its self explanatory - you will eat alot of AOE. Your guarded target also. Considering slows, mezzes and AOE you need that extra shield, and health. Against 2 ranged, you will eat alot of burst, and you don't want to get shatter armor from sniper+Arsenal merc and their burst on your ~140k health as a skank swaping when you are low.
Because recently i am explicitly facing teams using tankasin, carnimara, MMsnip, sorchealz i am using skank, as i can't be the focus target, and sniper is severly hampered in therms of DPS (elemental damage works wounders on him, and usualy i am calling for a hardswap on the sniper before the other targets reach that ~40% bracket). Sniper swaping on you makes his life even harder considering a huge chunk of his dps is still a subject to defense (white damage), as well as shield and absorb. Mara swaping on you while you are on sniper ears OIL+slow+Searing wave damage reduction by 5% and carbo at the same time.
PT tank have its uses, but his defensive capabilites are severly limited to very fast guardswaps and some peel tools, but if you consider meta and it's offensive capabilites against sniper i would say it gives your team an edge in the fight vs tankasin. Tho sin will be favourable in any other conditions, when sniper is not MM or it is replaced by any other class (merc for instance).
- Full Skank dps gear: All Lethal Mods (high power), 2 Alacrity Enhancements enahcements - rest for Crit (Adept & Quick Savant), DPS relics, Versatile Stim, Implants, and Earpieces for crit, all Augments with Mastery, shield generator.
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Last updated 01/05/17
Why Play a Powertech? Why Shield Tech?
First of all, good guide mate!
Sorry for being an arse, but its missing the TOP Legendary utility Real the Rattle, which is an amazing 3rd stun you get. It simply is that good and can make peeling/control easier.
Couple things to consider:
- Because of the number of MM Snipers+Carnage Mara DPS pairs, full endurance gear is a waste for TR IMO. Im actually going full skank on TR most of the time because of the extra damage i can put as a pressure.
- PT tank can melt down the MM Sniper due to elemental AOE and offensively used Oilslick+sonic rebounder combo. It is a very viable strategy, when between peeling, guardswaps and targeted CC, you will use all your single traget stun+rebounder+Oil (most of the time), as an offensive measure, to create immence pressure on the sniper, who can't realy do anything about it. Focusing you means a DPS loss, and defense works well agaist all the white attacks, Oil+rebounder and two speced sungle target stuns are here to break the burst, while elemental attacks are doing the job against both entrench and evasion. To peel for your focused teamate from Mara use Real the Rattled grapple+RP combo, while still staying on the sniper. Pulling mara makes it easier to pop that Searing wave also. This is of course a TR strategy agaist one of the strongest teams: tankasin, carnagemara, MMsnip, and sorchealz.
The 234 ilvl relics are the highest ones that can be bought and used in pvp, all of the iokath ones are pve only (at least those that are craftable/tradeable). I've seen people in trade link the 242 "legendary" relics and they WERE useable in pvp, it's important to note though that these only drop from command rank tier 3 and at an EXTREMELY low chance.I'll be sure to give a wave when I pass by the next time haha, both my eldest sisters went to Queens.
If you havent read the PVP gearing thread so far: both 234 and 242 are not bolstering well in PVP. use only 242 mainhand and offhand barrels/hilts/armorings as this will be strictly a DPS increase. Otherwise go only 240 as the top gear as it is the highest properly bolstering gear. (242 is legendary meaning it will never be bolstered, and the small stat increase over 240 doesnt justify loss on the boster).
- Because of the number of MM Snipers+Carnage Mara DPS pairs, full endurance gear is a waste for TR IMO. Im actually going full skank on TR most of the time because of the extra damage i can put as a pressure.
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There is so much miss info here. First, this "2 button" myth has been debunked a long time ago. And to keep you up with the updates, all PT specs had the same skills and rotations since 3.0, more than 2 years ago. What changed is performance and range.
And when I hear AP PT has great burst, I assume you have not played or seen, Dec sins, Fury mara, Carnage mara, MM sniper and Arsenal Merc. So AP now is a fifth rated burst spec with mediocre sustained damage
The only thing AP PT has going on is mobility and support. It does not offer much otherwise.
You want talk about change that no one asked for and completely ruined the class? The culling of range.
Yes, AP PT and tank are not the bottom of the barrel when it comes to performance, but in comparison with other classes it is crystal clear they are behind considerably. Mercs are not as good as people claim, but there is no questions they are head and shoulders above PT in performance.
Last thing, pyro PT sadly still exist, and seem it is going to remain the worst spec till the end of time/
2 Button PT was a sarcasm.
I am talking purely about PVP here, not PVE since the latter is just so poor in SWTOR im not going to even pretend im interested anymore.
Jugg tanks perform much worse in PVP especially TR environment, which every good TR team will confirm to you.
Only the assassins are better. Yes much better.
As for burst goes, you are underestimating the PT burst. And yes i do play Arsenal and IO merc as well as engi and mm sniper in TR/YOLO, as well as norms. Talking about usefullness? Yes both merc and sniper are simply the DPS specs go to, but mercs are not played in TR anymore if you havent noticed (its to easy to bait their DCDs and hardswap again making their defenses useless and bringing no health back). Carnage? Putting the same or better burst on TR than a mara right now, while also having the same or better sustained.
As i said. I will be glad if they will add one/two defensive utilities from merc, and combine some useless utilities into packs (or remove them altogether).
YOLO is more tricky, but as i said, doable and winable. Even under full 4 man enemy focus.
Range. Think you forgot we had one range nerf already in the past, and pt was still playable and enjoyable. They returned pt to 30m range because most people just didnt knew how to survive.
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Wonderful, truly
Guess what, It dosnt matter because you bothered to read my post or what it was responding to you would see that they were asking about and I was responding to their question about pt/vang performance in PVE but here you are telling about how great you are at pvp
Additionally it dosnt matter how high skill you feel pts are or how it's important that they have a lot of apm now the fact of the matter is that all of the PT and vang specs are inferior or unequal to their respective faction alternatives; tank spec is weaker than both sins and juggs with worse dcd's and biting like a wet noodle and dps wise ap and tactics can't compare to Decption sins, mercs, snipers and Maras, their just an inferior choice now that they are basically a melee range class which pts weren't they were a hybrid class, if we want wanted to play melee we would have picked a class with a saber.
and regardless of how well you did on your pt you would have done better on a merc as I stated before they have better burst and sustain, better range, energy management and defenses along with better kiting potential
People are shelving thier PTs for a reason or re rolling mercs and contrary to popular belief this isn't a L2P issue that apparently only you figured out, in this current gearing system you cannot afford to have a billion alts, you need to focus on a few characters so their is no point to playing one that performs like **** in both pvp and pve compared to much better alternatives
********. Truly. I haven't read such a post in a while.
People are shelving PT because they are dumb. Tank spec is far from being inferior to jugg, pushing 3.5k dps on TR games.
While i do admire your love to a merc, let me tell you how to deal with him: Stun and dont attack. Is it simple? Was your brain fried in a process? Probably.
AP PT/TAC VG is in a good spot. Not the best tho. You can push the burst noone else does, and quite frankly i would like to see your WZ or TR dps results.
PT tank can out dps about any other tank spec, and is the only viable response to so much used MM Sniper right now. If you have troubles dealing 3.5k dps on ranked i suggest target dummy and full dps gear with at least 46% crit.
As for AP, the advantage you have is that in 12 second window you can outburst about any other class, and still kite like mad, provided you took 75% slow on Mutilating Shards.
Anyway, as much as i like your tryhard response mercs are not that OP and can be dealth with on PT 1v1 regardless of their spec. You just need to learn how to counter merc cooldowns, thats it. And yes i do play a merc in 1v1, solo q, and TR.
VG/PT specs are not inferior. Do not treat them as such. Sure if u will go pyro GL to you. But as we all know pyro was **** for the last 3 years. AP on the other hand is about as good or better as the marauder. Just learn how to use 3 stuns, carbonize and your sonic. And for the sake of all PTs/VGs. learn to use range and kite. It is that simple.
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Unfoirtunately i can't participate. Im on waiting list anyway.
Signing off Brennet.
Next time guys!
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Just roll a merc/mando
The 30m range means that you can be a safe distance from most bosses, ez rotations, better dcds/durability/defense options, way better AoE to clear mobs fast, and much much easier energy management
In every aspect; Merc/Mando outperform PT/Vang
Or learn to play.
See this is a problem of 90% of you guys. Been playing PT/VG since pre-relase, and while i do think a small defensive buff would be nice, plus they could combine some utilities, VG/PT is still an absolute beast in terms of burst, and kiting - And this is where your survivability starts (excluding pyro - RIP).
You want an easy game, when you just point and shoot at anyone? Go battlefront (yes i know how bad it is).
TBH. I had pulled 6.5 dps on TR here and there (usualy rolling 4.5+k), consistently putting at least 3.5k dps on normals. Solo is very tricky, and yes, you can survive focus of 4 other classes if your teamates are at least average, and no - you don't realy need their help all that much to do this (they just all need to burst the same target).
PT from a mindless class with two buttons and no internal cooldown on PPA became a class that requires above average skills to shine. And i actually am happy about that.
Everything in PVP is a challenge, that you can solve if you can learn how to adapt, and change perspective. Dwelling on the past will only make more FOTM rollers.
So i dare you! I double dare you! Go play that merc and stop posting if you can't adapt to class changes.
Also: Miner on Windows is still for free
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Brennet/Mercenary/Innovative Ordnance/Empire
Solo ranked in swtor is by no means competitive in any way. If you think otherwise youre just deluding yourself. 
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