While I do agree with this generation wants instant gratification versus work (for example, battlemaster was hard to get then they boosted valor to 2k-3k per match and later removed valor as a requirement in 1.2), I cannot play swtor because I cannot justify what they spent making the game with what was delivered. I have 3 fifties, did the ops, fp, repub and empire. The voice acting is brilliant and the class quests are phenomenal. 4 of my friends play this with me, so heroics were never a problem or grouping which hurt many peoples expirences. And yet, Im afraid I cannot continue. About 30 pages up, some guy said "using resources into ambience and npcs is a waste and should b put into gameplay ect". This is true to an extent, as I would like a good game versus a pretty one. But swtors engine is pathetic and even on my high end machine ilum was terrible and load times so long. Sure there is also the same kill x go y pick up z quests, but they don't bother me but the way they are presented is terrible..... I accept a cool quest from a voiced quest giver I'm thrilled to start it and then I go on my way..... To the marked area.... But on the way there is nothing... No wild mobs, no npcs, no environment effects, no day and night or weather, the world is *********** dead. It's almost like you have a unique, well acted quest giver, an interesting plot, but point a is pretty and on your way to point b is an endless void.... Imagine standin in the quest area and the area between the quest area and the quest giver is just white space and polygons... That's what it feels like because outside the quests there is no1 but players, it's empty. By no means, no game is perfect. I love swtor and I've played wow, gw, Everquest lol, and now try Tera. In 2012, a triple a subscription MMO that spent somewhere between 250-350 million dollars (maybe 150-250 who knows) should feel MASSIVE and ALIVE because we are payin 180 a year to play, and MULTIPLAYER versus a solo game :/

BW said they would return it MUCH later.... And when they did, it will be VERY hard to obtain as they want to keep its rarity....In addition, they will NOT be updating the crystal level (I.e. +41 is the best for a while). As for me, I'm glad I spent 2.5mil on the white crystal before they removed it ^^ And yes, there are new mysterious mysteries with 1.2. So far there's the new magenta crystals which ik how to get, the orobird, the taun taun, and confirmed other ones that no1 has found yet

Where do we go to post shi* that bioware will actually see? I mean this thread is nearly 30 pages long and I have yet to see any bioware response. I for one not only request the hoods with masks, but DEMAND it. It was in beta, and as an inquis Ashara (torguta not twelik but close enough) has centurion chest and the hood looks just fine on her. LET'S GET THIS FIXED ASAP CUZ 1.2 gear is hideous! http://dulfy.net/2012/03/17/1-2-new-armor-models/

All hope is lost.... Pvp is less than existant than it already was. We all know bioware has idea how to do pvp (ilum) and their art team has no idea what they r doing (1.2 gear). While this is bad, if they'd actually ask the player base for their opinion instead of guessing, ea will be able to hold on to their precious money (because we all know activ---- I mean ea just cares about money).

Words cannot describe how I feel about biowares art team ATM...... Not so much as what they did, but how they actually approved it after it was done.... Did they think to ask the player base for their opinion?

In all honesty, bounty hunters look amazing in pvp gear with a pve helmet. Inquis pvp is great but idk why the helm is weird. War pvp is okay. Agents get the shaft in everything, and all empire pve gear (Cept bh) looks fail, especially inquis assassin ( cow horns teh ****?). Lastly, republic gets the worst. I can't tell which is pvp and which is pve, prolly cus it's so bad. Wars look like goofy samurai and troopers look like they have derpy mouths half the time. Smugglers end up looking like skinny gay zoros, and like on empire, sages/shadows r decent.

Lucas did draw a lot from ww2 you are correct. Stormtroopers = ss nazis etc. But really I dunno wut that are doing.... Except maybe try to put a bizzare fashion fantasy look into a beloved sci fi franchise.

Sweet god what is up with ALL class armor.... They are terrible... Look at the sith in the 3 cinematics!!!!! Black robes with hoods and masks! SIMPLE. Not these gawdy fu*king bizzare French fashion show sh*t

All I ask for is creativity. Bioware has ea, and blizzard has activision. COMPANIES LIKE EA AND ACTIVISION are ruining gaming.... They want money, and if 5 casuals whine, the 2 hardcore people get the shaft. Gamining is changing like mainstream music and it sounds terrible...

Gaming companies use to make games for gamers. Now they make games for whoever will buy them. Passion is dying out to greed, and with it, my hope.

^ point and case. Having my friend say, oh yea I beat the game on easy for the story. My response, you are a ***** I beat it on nightmare mode..... Use to get things for playing the hardest difficulty but now a days games are easy and are like becoming movies where the player is the hero, ***** everything, and cannot die.

And your right, the engine sux

Sigh.... Gaming is not what it used to be. Everything is handed to you with little or no effort. After thinking, since some players have full BM gear, I am starting to realize that they will never fix pvp and I don't think they care. Since many players have full BM gear, they wi always hit the new gear cap faster than those without. Is this fair? YES it's an mmo! But ilum inflated this.... And people exploited it.... And they Diddnt roll back..... People don't wanna put time into getting things anymore...

I see. Looks like I'll wait. I love swtor, but I'm not a fanboy who is totally dedicated to one mmo and will bad mouth those who say anything about it. I simply played wow since end of vanilla, tried others, and ended up in swtor because my guild and friends are here. If they don't fix it, looks like guild wars two isn't too bad. I will cherish my memories of wow, not because of anything in it but cuz of the people I played with. I will NEVER return, as it's easy, now dumbed down, and lastly, has *********** pandas.

Oh I know, and again I'm not going back lol. Trust me. But I just wanna know if any game is out or is coming out that is doing it right. I'm not trying to be a dick and act sarcastic to put wow on a pedestal lol, just the opposite, I wanna know wut else is "good" versus popular lol.

Also, I love swtor, so I hope they can recover.

Well then, I yield. What happened to war hammer and da? They died. So my question is, what game has good world pvp? Cause I'd really like to play it ( no sarcasim I'm serious).

I do have a clue, and I do not love wow because clearly I left. Blizzard ITSELF did not create world pvp, because witergrasp IS AN INSTANCE with a player LIMIT. However, in wow I did have many friends, and thus many guilds. All I am saying, is that those guilds had players who wanted to start things, and we went out and hit cities for fun.... That's all I'm sayin is MY friends and I organized our own world pvp IN wow.

Well thanks for sharing, I didn't know bioware had that in place. That really blows. "griefing" and "ganking" are so much of pvp that I used to enjoy. Sure, slaying a lowbie isn't "skillful", but ganking another 50 in a fair fight IS world pvp. Apparently, bioware doesn't understand this.... Now I have to think more.

I agree. Thrall (now grom) was in the horde's Capitol city! Sitting there! Maybe for a few quests, but mostly he was just there! U could physically click on him! How hard would it be for bioware to put in the leaders (like on korriban) and simply let players come kill them? It's not hard star wars has so much lore... So much potential...

Today , 08:56 PM * After much thought, world pvp cannot be made perfect by the developers, or if at all. In wow, world pvp was created by the players, and the gave incentives by the developers later in the form of achievements and such. But people have to realize..... Do you really need a reward to pvp? Or can u just play for fun and skill? I remember on azgalor ( a wow pvp server) many years ago had the best 4 horde guilds ( equiv to empire ) team up, and sacked stormwind, the alliance's Capitol city...... They held the city for 2 days, and then blizzard had to server reset because the alliance couldn't get in!!!! Did the horde get rewarded for sieging the city? None at all. But it was fun. Bioware, please open Capitol worlds. Or, make a city on each planet and grant rewards to the faction that controls most of them! All of the planets have markers that either say empire, republic, or contested! Why not borrow winter grasp, but use it on each world, slowly implementing them planet by planet and show the war you created! Basically, in my opinion, it all comes down to the players. I do not believe people need rewards to pvp, as pvp is about skill, but world pvp is about fun. Can any mmo company make a world pvp area that could work? Sure. But not without players participation! The community used to do things simply for the hell of it instead of only staying in instances of pvp; my most fond memories are raiding the opposing faction's city and seeing if we can sack it or not, and if we do, we would kill their faction leader and the opposing faction would have to take their city back. This is all we need for world pvp, but it's up to the players to make it happen; we do not need a carrot on a stick in the form of gear from the developers we just need people to get off their asses, and get organized. I'm not talking 50 people, but groups of 12 could easily hit lower level towns and then force people to have to have switch on their mains to go save the outpost! For rewards? No! Just cause! But people do not do that anymore..... People just want their damn gear...... And once they spend countless days grinding for gear... They complain about having no content... Well IMO the content is the world bioware created... We just have to go out and get organized...

After much thought, world pvp cannot be made perfect by the developers, or if at all. In wow, world pvp was created by the players, and the gave incentives by the developers later in the form of achievements and such. But people have to realize..... Do you really need a reward to pvp? Or can u just play for fun and skill? I remember on azgalor ( a wow pvp server) many years ago had the best 4 horde guilds ( equiv to empire ) team up, and sacked stormwind, the alliance's Capitol city...... They held the city for 2 days, and then blizzard had to server reset because the alliance couldn't get in!!!! Did the horde get rewarded for sieging the city? None at all. But it was fun. Bioware, please open Capitol worlds. Or, make a city on each planet and grant rewards to the faction that controls most of them! All of the planets have markers that either say empire, republic, or contested! Why not borrow winter grasp, but use it on each world, slowly implementing them planet by planet and show the war you created!

In regards to lore, darth reven could use force lightning and force heal and had a white lightsaber.... So moot. Princess leia I believe eventually had a red lightsaber as well.

Rly the only thing that would cause me to unsub, is if after i panicked to get 2.5mil before march, is if I buy my white crystal, and in 1.2 artifce can make them for like little to no effort.

Just want my white crystal...... 2.2mil as we speak...