Meant exactly what you said on the channels. And errr, if you really think that- I agree with the positioning regarding ops for certain abilities but otherwise. Well whatever floats your boat there Thats what the 4m range is for in melee btw, so you have some time to react while the enemy is not already out of range. I have never felt that being in melee range (as pyros are usually for stockstrike and interrupt) required any amount of skill.

Autofacing... seriously...

If just more people would actually read that and play according to that. Sadly as usual 70% of the people in this thread ignore whats posted and think that heavy armor is a great defense along with our one defensive CD. @skolops range vs melee argument, thats why marauders/sents have a gap closer on a 15 sec CD, a medium duraion slow and force camo...

Or just give someone who pulls 5 deaths without having earned a single medal a free one. "Medal of pity earned".

I like how you have no other arguments. Mercs have the same survivability as they are - surpise- the same base class and therefor share nearly all defs. But well, just another baddie who can't argue.

If you focus an OP he vanishes, if you focus a marauder he can vanish or pop one of his def CDs, if you focus a shadow he can vanish... If you focus a pyro he goes blop. If you focus a jugg he can jump to a friendliy target out of range. If you want to eliminate the thread as you think the pyro does to much damage you focus him, he can't do anything against it. Smart players focus the highest threads, be it a good healer who keeps the team up or an amazing DD. You also focus the target that goes down the fastest. And that is usually the pyro.

TD, IM, RS, FB. 4 GCDs. TD crits for 3,5k (kinetic hello), IM crits for dunno, 2k, RS 4,5k, FB 1,8k. The crits are taken high already. Still a bit low of your 20k... Also RS gets 72% ap. Like said many times before (even in this thread, you might want to read more than just the op) you don't just add the numbers together...

You might want to compare the defensive CDs of sniper and pt. And don't forget cover

And to balance it give it a 45 sec CD and let it be affected by resolve and travel time of the hook, so if you hug a pillar in the last second the hook smashes you uselessly against said pillar.

*whisper* gap closer *whisper*

He means TD with the CD, RS is only half of it.

yes but the pt is NOT a melee class Noone said that beside the op.

The classes weaknesses have been mentioned in countless threads already. You missed to mention them.

Also the amount of ap is 72% not 90. Its not just adding two numbers (simple additive). Otherwise see post above, sry. Starting with your first topic naming the pt as a melee class.

Approved teh funny

I find it always amazing that the nerf pyro threads have only started after they were in fact nerfed The nerfs to hybrid specs (IF, Carolina) and pure shield were a bit strange though.

I enjoy random HB- its the only WZ you can decide with 3 good people and the rest brain afk zergers. Yes its always a lottery if you get a good shadow/sage or the opponent does. But than its also a lottery if you get a healer or the enemy does

If the game was only damage numbers you might have more of a point. But last I checked its objective based. I have yet to see Pyros (or pts) put pressure on nodes because they can come in stealthed, wait in the endzone for a pass, wait patiently near a node for another node to get pressured so the defense is slackened up. Cloak up several people for a surpise attack? Use triage? Aoe mez that crowd thats on its way to support that node? The teams that are build solely around huge DPS numbers and thus think that stacking pts is the way will never be good. So the Op will be hard pressed to fulfill the dps role of the pt, the pt does not have a chance to fulfill the role of an op. Ever. If the Op plays more than just as a simple dps. Also @OP, if we guard we need to switch cells. That takes time. So we are not the bursting guarding class you think.

Please... yes we do elemental damage on the abilities you mentioned. But even you have to know that we kill you with the abilities I mentioned and that those abilities make up the most of what everyone is complaining about- the burst. Thus what you said has no relevance and your sarcasm to cover up failed as what you said is again just nonsense. You also forgot TD (again the 2nd most important part of our burst...) and TO (that is always used when its off CD before the IM as IM costs 1/4 of our ressources). If the baddies just could admit they are wrong instead of trying to cover it up with even more nonsense... But well, an assasin who has trouble with Pyros- kind of obvious.

The big hitters are TD (kinetic damage) and RS (weapon damage with 72% ap- not 90 its not plain additive). Look up how the defenses work on those types of damage. I'd hope the uninformed baddies like you would inform themself before ranting atleast. Can't tweak bad players who can't even count. *edit* Here counted for you. You also don't use more than 5-6 keys in an average 1on1, no class does thanks

That screenshot is from the same player (haven'Ät checked if its even the same premade). So hardly apples to oranges. Just one game to another. Whatever I doubt your post makes sense to even yourself. You speak about circumstances, great so in one he did the perfect game and in the other a below average one so the truth lies in the middle. Also facts are facts, not something you say they are. If drmasterr for example states that they grill every pt team whose facts are it than. Ah well. You base your "facts" around that one screenie and decline the other screenies posted later so your facts are worthless.

I do comment on a few as I don't lose the hope that some people are reasonable and can be spoken with on a normal base. Not just "ZOMG I DIED; NERF TEM PYROS"...

If you are solely arguing on numbers here: http://i.imgur.com/pJoDo.jpg That was posted several pages before. There is carthy again and oh wonder he is not on first spot. Where is your logic now than? Only two deaths in that screen as well... This is just to show you that if you try to base an argument around screenshots of damage outputs you don't have an argument. Look at the "facts" of that screenie and.... keep quiet? *edit* You will notice that that wz is even more healing heavy...

To be fair you complained for awhile about pyros as well Glad to see you are doing great on the class that everyone else thinks up. And showing that not only cookie cutter setups are in the high ranks (we only play with one assault and one sentinel as well). *edit* not meant as a flame.

Let me guess, you are someone who hasn't even any arguments why Pyros should be nerfed beside "They always top the damage charts". The people who are always crying for nerfs without even basic knowledge of the classes strengths and weaknesses are those who ruin the mmos. Because you will always find something to cry about.