this is called world pvp. they have something for players who want a skilled, somewhat level playing field, that is called Warzones. World pvp is nothing but a zerg-fest in any game.

i went 5/8 last night...so yeah we win most of the time. it is like that every night i play.

exaclty. World PvP in _any_ is just a zerg fest. Alls you heard were people whining about wanting world pvp. they have it...they always had it. before the pvp player base kill/objective traded and whined about it, like it is Biowares fault they are pvp carebears and dont actually pvp. So Bioware tried to force people to kill other people via dailies. And now, people are complaining about it being a zergfest....newsflash...world pvp is always about either ganking lowbies or a zergfest. It takes no skill, there is no balance. that is what is world pvp. I am fine with that, but let's call a spade a spade.

right, because when you hit valor rank 60 you just go to a vendor and pick up all the BM gear. 0/10.

please show us the evidence. can you provide links showing someone gaining tons of valor ranks? Show a single valor rank 100 imp? show multiple imps with valor > 60?

yep. i have seen zero evidence of all the valor gains.

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how so? what proof do you have that massive valor gains were made? Or are you basing this on random posts on the internet?

one star. there is zero evidence a rollback is needed.

I have been reading some great fantasies about valor gains and though i woudl summarize them here. No idea why people are creating such fantasies from what is reality but, there are lots of gullable people out there 1) Every Imp is now valor rank 100, eventhough there is zero proof...no screenshots 2) level 25 imps are running around valor rank 70, eventhuogh valor rank can not exceed level until you are 50 3) Every 50 WZ is filled with BM geared Imps since yesterday. that is why I am losing. In spite of the fact you can not get BM just by having 50 valor...you need random loot bags which take days of nonstop play even for the luckiest of players 4) Bioware hates their subs because they are not going to roll back. Again, therre is zero evidence of any increased valor over what people would have gotten from chain running warzones. Again...no proof of people gaining tons of valor 5) NPCs and Turrets gave valor...eventhough the reality is they give zero valor and never gave any valor 6) I am quitting because of this. sure....you will be back. did i miss any?

how is this going to help? All the sith kiddies rolled empire resulting in a massive faction imbalance. If you want shorter queue times, the solution is very simple and available right now. Simply roll Republic and have near instant queues of all three warzones. Last night, i had instant pops from 8est to 11est. that is, literally the second i exited a warzone, i got in a new one.

LOL. eventhough you can't get a valor rank higher than you toons level? wow, the fantasies are getting better by the minute

do you have proof of all the valor 90 players running around? didn't think so.

more complaining about something which there is _zero_ proof happened. Although i did go from 0-100 valor in about 30 minutes yesterday.

but there has to be a reason why the OP lost...it certainly can't be them being bad.

sure you did....i went from 0-100 in about 20 minutes

sure...but it is nothing but a giant zerg fest. Some may find that fun, but it got old very quick as there is no skill or tactics.

yep, a giant zergfest

Carebear 'pvpers' kill/objective trade. And yet, still blame Bioware for pvp fail? LOL. what are you all smoking?

This is Open World PvP...in all games. it is and has always been a zerg fest...whoever has the bigger numbers wins the vast majority of times. That is why i laugh when anyone talks about world pvp like it is the best thing ever....it is either a ganking lowbies or zerging...there is no skill. But, that is what people keep crying about. And now they have it and are still crying.

oh and btw....it is the middle of a week day. People are at work or school. This is not prime time. So yeah....there are not going to be thousands of people online.

So you are honestly saying there are not 6-8 other people on your side and 6-8 on the other side? wow, that is a low pop server. PS: we all know what the real QQ is about. You don't get to faceroll lowbies and are upset.

stop reading now if you do not understand, in a gear based game, gear is going to play a role. If you want a game where gear is not significant, do not play this type of game. It is that simple. When you press ‘c’ it opens your character window. There should be a ‘pvp’ and a ‘pve’ tab. In warzones, only the ‘pvp’ is active. In pve raids/instances, only the ‘pve’ tab is active. In world pve/pvp, you can pick which tab is active. This means pvp gear can not trivialize pve endgame content, and pve endgame gear can not trivialize pvp content. There is no need for an additional stat to balance. PVP gear should be accessible by a combination of player level and valor level. Having the current setup of sets is fine based on valor level. Let crafters fill inbetween the “levelling” sets, and _be_ the pvp endgame gear progression. Hey look...crafters can have something meaningful to do without killing endgame pve progression! Oh, and there should still be PvE crafting endgame. That can be driven off the Flashpoints and Operations for mats and recipes. Recipes and mats for pvp crafted gear are looted from defeated players, completing objectives, reaching valor ranks, winning a certain amount of warzones, reaching milestones (kills, heals, caps, defender points, etc...). Have the top mats drop from killing geared level 50 high valor players only...they are the pvp raid bosses so to speak. In other words, farming lowbies is not going to get you mats/recipes for the best pvp gear. Yes, a new, low valor, level 50 is going to have a gear gap with a 50 who has been pvp’ing for a long time. Just like a new raider is going to have a gear gap with an experienced raider. Again, this is a gear progression based game. If you do not like that, play Quake or Unreal. there is nothing wrong with those kinds of game...they are different styles of game. To each his/her own.

the issue is someone who played maybe five warzones, has the best pvp gear. All pvp gear and items should have a valor requirement

What is this game you speak of? Healing is horribly underpowered in this game...a healer can not heal through one dpser.