Seriously considering un-subbing after this, its absolutely unbelievable. On your direct advice we don't re-download the client. Guessing it was just a stab in the dark? "It'll probably be fine tomorrow."

http://www.shockware.co.uk/avatars/viscis.png Fully rakata, except belt which is rakata level from dropped mods. Please let me use my hood BW.

Care to back this up at all?

Yes very much so; its something I hadn't really considered until you mentioned it.

Double.

Yup but its situational not part of the rotation I would use.

--> Jaxtaro I'd definitely keep the third cluster bomb anyway, its not a solo build so someone is bound to trigger it eventually. Its just triggered from cull in the video. Imperial methodology is 100% required or the entire build falls apart. You need the 15 energy regen from the cluster bombs to shoot you back up to 60% energy. Most of the points were just jammed in for that spec here is my revised version: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#400bZbI0rRoZGbbkrMhd.1 The points in flash power can only be used in that tier. Its a toss up between slip away and flash power. At the moment I'm using slip away but its entirely situational. n.b. the only way to take experimental explosives would be to drop the 6% damage from steady shots or the 4% crit from razor rounds - not going to happen. --> Shredbull Glad you watched the entire thing, lol! To do the full 38k I popped my reusable adrenals and relic (I'm biochem so I will always have them, relic is 2min CD and adrenal is 3mins) The stim as well is a permanent buff to my stats. There are three rotations you can use: - Cull with DoTs - every 9 seconds - Cull with DoTs & Interrogation Probe & Explosive Probe (Explosive gives the energy regen to do this) - every 30 seconds - Cull with DoTs & Interrogation Probe & Orbital Strike & Explosive Probe - Every 60 seconds This is a PvE raiding build I'm testing but I don't raid until tomorrow so we'll see how it goes. For PvP I would ignore orbital strike all together and stick with the middle rotation above. Still the tried and tested marksman or lethality (for pvp) is very strong indeed. --> Poulpatine Exactly this.

--> TheRealCandyMan Yeah none of the top tree talents are amazing, hybrid is the way forward I think. The extra pulses are from PvP gear, I'm wearing PvE so no. Yes, assumes only a single target for the AoE. Cluster bombs can be triggered by the weapon damage as Cull ticks.

I'm raid leader for my guild, we're still rotating people through normal to gear them up. If I can then the advantage is clear and entirely what I was trying to achieve -> 3% less accuracy and mostly** internal damage. ** Some is kinetic / weapon / energy Actually thinking about it, irony strikes. Because you do quite a few rifle shots (normal hits) you actually need MORE accuracy to always hit.... the mind boggles.

--> Tibbel Thanks! Originally I was just at the speed it went down. I'm all for trying to evaluate how and why from all possible angles (and I'm using your figures for the timing as its probably less biased). On a side note I'm glad the numbers matched up (sort of). My stats are: Dmg: 918-1009 Cunning: 1825 Power: 520 Bonus Power: 920 (Adrenal+Relic) I'll record the council normal fight on Tuesday (and hardmode later in the week), the full DPS cycle of this build in a raid is something like: - 1 Rotation - Cull only rotation - Cull only rotation - 1 Rotation This allows for the 30 second CD on explosive probe.

Thanks! Have added this info as well. If I don't use orbital strike I have 9 seconds to regen my energy which is easily done by getting +15 from cluster bombs and using rifle shot. With orbital strike I'll probably need to blow my adrenaline cooldown. Edit: I also accidentally hit target acquired, I would do this after for the 10 energy bonus.

Testing a new build. I can burst for 38,000 damage over 7.5 seconds and I hate it. I love marksman because that is what a sniper is, this just doesn't feel right. Marksman annoys me because I'm currently sitting at over 113% accuracy using only 2/3 marksmanship from the tree. I don't want to change my mods because I'm still hoping they'll fix the high end gear. Anyway here is the video (1:34 for the elite): http://www.twitch.tv/viscis/b/309150814 And the rough spec (a few points are interchangable): http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#400bZrI0bRoZG0rkrMhd.1 Breakdown and number crunching: My maths isn't amazing, if you spot a mistake let me know!! - Interrogation Probe: 3247 Damage (18 seconds) - Corrosive Grenade: 2656 Damage (21 seconds) - Corrosive Dart: 1851 Damage (18 Seconds) - Explosive Probe: 2550 Damage (Averaged) - Explosive Probe (Fire effect) 351 Damage (3 Seconds) - Explosive Probe (Cluster Bombs) 1194 - Orbital Strike: 5621 Damage (9 Seconds) - Cull: 2400 Damage (3 Seconds) - Cull (Poison Effect): 2238 Damage (3 Seconds) - Takedown: 2600 Damage (Average) Total Base Damage: 24708 Relic: 5621 -> 6119 damage -> 8.8% increase Adrenal: 5621 -> 6288 damage -> 11.8% increase Both: 5621 -> 6789 damage -> 20.7% increase Buffed Damage: 29822 Critical Chance: 35% Critical Damage Bonus: 64% (+12% extra for internal damage) 35% of 29822 = 10437 Damage 64% of 10347 = 6680 Damage Critical Damage + Buffed Damage: 36502 1:42 -- start Orbital Strike 1:45 -- finish Orbital Strike 1:46 -- instant Corrosive Grenade 1:47 -- instant Corrosive Dart 1:48 -- instant Interrogation Probe 1:50 -- instant Explosive Probe 1:52 -- start Cull 1:55 -- finish Cull 1:55 -- instant Takedown Total time (from first damage, my estimate): 7.5/8 seconds Total time (from corrosive grenade): 9 seconds Total time (from orbital cast): 13 seconds Total time (using tibbels timing): 14.5 seconds Using damage calculated above: DPS (from first damage, my estimate): 4866 DPS (from corrosive grenade): 4055 DPS (from orbital cast): 2807 DPS (using tibbels timing): 2517 Using 38k: DPS (from first damage, my estimate): 5066 DPS (from corrosive grenade): 4222 DPS (from orbital cast): 2923 DPS (using tibbels timing): 2620 // Notes - The fire effect doesn't actually apply (from explosive probe) - thanks tibbel - I didn't take into account the fact DoT's dont get a chance to do the full damage. - I didn't take into account the DoT's bonus 12% critical damage. - Tibbels timing takes into account the GCD after takedown occurs.

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I don't agree with increasing resources / decreasing time. Maybe as an alternative we could increase the amount of queueable tasks? These aren't really things that are broken, they are just harder than you would like them to be? Totally agree with the seats and cantina usage - have updated the original post with some more points.

Good stuff, glad to see you like some of the ideas. RE: WZ leaver punishments, yes you shouldn't be punished for joining an already lost match.