I'm glad to hear this. We have the first two bosses down in HM Denova and nearly have the third and from what I've noticed of the raids and parses is I usually fall right in the 500-600 area. My damage taken was a slightly higher by a % or 3 from the two boss fights but my overall damage taken - healing done made me the clear victor. I think I parse around 160-200 HPS.

After logging in and doing some parses as well as running Raid parses it appears my DPS hovers between 400-600. I am curious what other Shadow PvE Progression Tanks are parsing at so I ca compare. I ran a COMPLETELY defensive build focusing on End > Willpower and Secondary stats of Shield/Defese/Absorb. Also Campaign Defense Relic and Rakata Absorb Passive Relic.

Possibly this, it's going to be difficult to trace it especially if you can;t tell what gear they were wearing AKA PvP or PvE and what level.

Yeah I saw that and misread the wording. I actually completely conviced myself that that talent improved Force Breach with ANY Technique. But this is not the case. It only affects Force Breach while in Force Technique. Shagatha has the right idea.

I'd personally take Kinetic Field over the Battle Readiness Talent but that's for PvP. Looks like a solid build. I'll add it later to the main post thanks for the contribution!

31/0/10 KC is a great PvP Tank build. Don;t listen to the Wowheads who only claim DPS is king. Don't listen to the noobs who read Scoreboards for their advice. There is a Logic and Flow of what you should roll. Everything depends on a few different criteria. 1) What role do you want to play? DPS Melee / DPS Hybrid / Tank? 2) Will you be grouping with other people often? 3) What level of gear do you have? Full Tank is better for people who run with a sdteady group and understand the power of taunts/Interupts/pulls/knockback etc to keep your team alive and doing their jobs and hindering the other team in the process. Infiltration is also better with a steady group as you can apply SERIOUS burst damage to a single target and basically wipe the floor but you can be squishy if you get focused and lose your defensive cooldowns. Balance is great for solo play but the rotation and playstyle are unique and not for everyone. It offers good survivability/SELF HEALS / 30M range on some good abilities including FiB for defending points. Solid Kiting build and solo build as well. DPS Stats Tank Good for solo play and quickly leveling up while competing against strong competition. You wont be a great DPSer and you won't be a great Tank but if you can find a DPS buddy to guard you two will WRECK any but an organized team usually. Not a very effective spec in 8v8 as they are squishy with the right type of focus fire. All the specs are viable, you just need to find your playstyle and go from there.

You mean scrubs get screwed? Sounds good to me.

I assumed they would be changing all the mods to the correct ones? There was definitely no message stating this and if this is the case I am going to be very pissed the **** off. I didn't reslot any of my gear because I didn't know which mods came in it. I have Rakata level mods galore in my bank and they were all mixed together. Getting tired of BW.

How do you know their useless? Cause everyone else says it and so feel confident you know what your talking about? How do you know the Tanking stats don't mitigate the damage received from your guarded target? The reason you slot tanking stats is because you are going to get melted if you are eating AOE damage and your Healer is getting focused. You receive 100% of your own damage as well as 50% of theirs. Feel free to use DPS stats to mitigate all that when 4+ people are on your healer. How well did your DPS gear do then? EDIT: ALso we have burned DPS Vanguards down in under 5 seconds with a Sentinel and Guardian ONLY. You either have very bad PvPers on your server or you are lying. Every class has its weaknesses against certain others.

And what PvP experience do you have? Especially did it have a Guard mechanic or Taunt mechanics? My Shadow Tank stays alive when all other classes including my Healer even at times dies. The only way your gonna kill me is through epic focus fire although we do have some easily exploitable weaknesses.

As a Shadow I don't even mind if they nerf the DPS geared Tank (This is NOT a hybrid people). Scrub PvPers/ Whiners / People who want combat to wait for them don't understand the power of a well balanced pure class group. I hope my Rated team faces teams of 6 assassins and 2 healers. Its going to be a Roflstomp.

wow 587k protection with two pocket healers. Talk about padding stats.

HAHA Warhammer reference?

You technically don't ever have to even fight to get 100 Valor. Congrats on your longer /played time.

This right here. Try to DPS through 300k Protection in WZs. I say this to all the other DPS Sins, I LOL at your 4k crits. I'll save my Resilience for some real burst damage. Luckily most Assassins on my server are nub and spec DPS Tank. If only they knew how ****** Deception and Madness are. EDIT: Or just Kinetic Combat Defensively.

Why would I tell you how to stop me? Why do you insist on having combat wait for you? Besides huttball is PvE.

Very difficult to understand you correctly so forgive me if I misunderstood. You listed 4 verbs there. The Shadow can't push and there is no such thing as "sneaking". Considering we can only Pull and Stealth, how does another Shadow doing this make you win or lose?

The class starts off slow. Infiltration is probably the most balanced by the 20s with KC being very weak and Balance being decent. From what I remember I used Qyzen until I could get Theran. Your best bet is to send Qyzen after the tough mob. Force Lift the next toughest and then DPS the weaks down. Once they are down take out the next strongest and so on till the Elite is dead. Qyzen might die as well= but you lived which is what matters. Once you get Mind Maze things become easier as well. You should have that by 20 if I remember correctly. Maze a target if you do, preferably the strongest. Make sure Qyzen doesn't AoE either.

Pretty much this. When we ran progression for Kraggas I was Infiltration. But that fight would have been much better for Balance. Either way like you said they are both completely viable with strs/weaks on each fight. No Operation is going to be completely better off for one or the other from what we've seen.

Sentinel/Marauder They are DPS/self heals/Utility and survivability incarnate. Not all at the same time but the class is VERY group friendly and a MUST HAVE for rateds.

How come none of the people who scream OP about the assassin want to debate why its not OP with me, even in DPS gear. The only class that I think is performing above its station is the Sentinel in that its gone from being Very Viable to REQUIRED in any type of group. Is this a bad thing? no. But not when they bring 10x more to the table than any other DPS class with their utility and survivability. At least for PvP. If they are the duel wielding class they should not have defensive cooldowns or utility to the degree they do. Me and a Sentinel guildy always go right in Alderaan and can usually take anything but the worst odds of a 5v2 or 4v2 with some heavy hitter pyros/sorcs/ops.

What cheese!!!!! In my previous MMO experience it was BEYOND Taboo to relay stuff from one faction to help the other. To the Furnace with ye! Burn the heretics!

People don;t understand this concept of performing a role or job in PvP. Everyone just wants to tank/heal/dps in one class and thinks its the "right way" cause you can get a lot of medals in warzones. Balanced groups > Hybrids Its these same people that also farm DPS numbers in huttball and interrupt CC on the regular usually. Basically vocal baddie pugs.

Don't pay any attention to the scrubs in this thread its hysterical. This thread screams I can't kill someone so I'll cry OP. Immortal Juggernaut is by far the best PVP tank in the game and will be one of the best Rated warzone classes and almost certainly a must or should have. Anyone saying they suck has literally no idea how to PvP and came from WoW. And DPS Geared tankasins?!?! Your LOL AoEDPS is gonna get rolled over too. I sincerely laugh at your Shadow strikes and instant cast force lifts.

Done this a few time to teams. I have the SSs as well.