i would like to know that to, can anyone confirm this

???? Vengeance viable in new patch , that would be awesome let me know

Ok now ill even say fail bw

From what i have seen on these forums its on 45 sec cd and consumes up to 14 rage. I am a vengeance spec and i ussualy bath in rage. Enraged defense can be used while stunned and is off global cd, it cost i believe 4 rage to activate. But in shien you might get 1 rage back??? Anyone tested this?. In almost every fight i get stunned alot this + unyielding rage is a nice amount of dmg mit it heal arround 500 hp a second. Now im not saying that it doesnt gimp our rage and dmg output. But i think its ok we can trow a sunder while healing and ravage since it also generates 2 rage in the patch. Its abit of dmg for survivability. So i would say this is a stun heal ability because you cant do anything while stunned esp vs ops. So al in al i like it its just an extra tool to survive, but i am worried about def. Defence

True but as a vengeances i usually bath in excess rage

The dps jug dmg was ok to good in my oppinion. Having a heal will help us do more dmg and thus increasing our dmg , or am i seeing it wrong

Agreed ill wait till the patch hit and do some wz before making up my mind. But so far on paper jeej 4 rage

Yeah ill give it a shot, im guessing dec and ravager will be picked up with free scream for a veng

Ohhh i dont know to go veng or rage after the patch ;p, what will you do?

I tried this spec, uhm its decent. Your survivability is less. I die alot without a healer. The dmg output suprised me 300k + with no healer. However you have to monitor rage 24/7. I found myself often rage starved. Its an ok build with dmg potential but the syn with the overal playstyle is less fluent the full veng. Also because of the constant monitoring of my rage i found my taunting to be less precise. Honoustly this build dmg out is some what counterble smash is just not reliable and a big part of your dmg is from smash 2 to 3 k smashes on 5 players is alot

well i dont do those numbers but my dmg ussualy is 300 to 350 k dmg as a veng , but always with 35 to 50 k guard

al i can guess is vs no res target 4 stacks hatred stim pack and adrenal and one lucky vic trow. My vic trow can crit up to 4200 but thats generaly without full pooled hatred and adrenal

hmm seems interresting , but i dont get the 2 points in accuracy or 1 point in the free force scream 33% hardly seems worth it. But al in al nice numbers on the dmg meter but in every screenshot there are 1 or 2 big time healers so .... Also in terms of rage it will be tough without the enraged assault talent or free scream after charge. However unyielding might fix it somewhat, but it does gimp your rage income in close ranged fights and your fp is on cd. Also what will you do if enrage is on cd?. It seems this spec is very rotation orientated, wich might be hard to pull off against *good pvpers*. Further more not having huddle seems a bit meh, how is your survivability without a healer. ? I mean no disrespect, i will try my own version of this build out this afternoon but i have

uhm im not sure but when im in my character screen and i click on force i can see my bonus dmg it says 644 and bonus healing abit lower :$ or i might just be looking at the wrong stat :$. and for the exp im not sure what my numbers are but i believe its in the 600+. and you are correct i was rage up till valor rank 58 and i have modded with the adept enh. 22. I got 2 rank 24 crit and surge enh. wich will be implemented in my armor as soon as i got some bm gear :$ i have been very inactive.

im @ 24% crit 12.67 % exp and arround 640 bonus dmg. But im at 15k hp my acc is arround 96% and surge is 70.94 should i change something or keep it as it is ?

sunder assault on no cooldown dots from scream and shatter healing you for the little amount (same as marauder anni build) or dots increase dmg Or just a general dmg increase on some skills in the vengeance tree force pull either one of those and im happy

true but its easy to dodge there super smashes , however i cant wait till your vengeance guide comes out hope its soon

Awesome been a day since i switched from rage to vengeance, but i must say single target i find it more effective then rage

Cant you post an entire vengeance pvp guide

Yesterday i saw a vengeance pvp movie where the guy did a 6.1k impale. Now i hit for a average of 2 to 4.5 k with impale and vicious trow. My question is how can you get the big numbers for the 5k medal constantly?.

Lets not forget the 3 healers with combined 800k healing or more

Damn such a shame , saw them on torheads database. Would have been lovely to be able to craft them. Thank you for the answer

Bump bump bump

For artifice is it possible to learn Advanced Adept Enhancement 25?, i myself can craft Advanced Adept Enhancement 22 but i was wondering can i get any higher ? if so how? thanks

On average i get 11 medals and my dmg swings from 250k to 400k depends on having a healer in our team or not. Juggs simply have to work alot harder for dmg then other classes, fight smart attack when you can attack but dont suicide a meningless fight.