WotLK was the peak. Well actually Cata release was the top for wow. BC lost a bunch and they regrew in wrath and starting dipping down after making the game harder. Was dumb people just left because they couldn't figure out how to cc XX mob >< Blizzard actually Marketed to the more casual player than EQ! not ******** u EQ players made fun of how casual and easy vanilla WoW was but they grew in vanilla from Casuals. Blizzard has always catered alot of the game to people with less time but give hard content for endgame guilds. Spine of Deathwing was downed last week after 300+ attempts by the top guild just like LK! the games still hard in raiding on Heroic. PvP is EH but it's always been EH. Its better than it has been(vanilla=raid is top pvp, BC= Mana burn war+Druid/RMP, Wotlk=1sec gcd bursts) U seem to think WoW was ever catered to the "hardcore" in all honesty they TRIED to make the endgame harder in Cata and LOST subs dude. Wotlk was the highest Subs outside of an Xpac release

no im pretty sure when if u put in 3(or 4?) years into an mmo u want it to get a success. And they have EA behind them u think They're like o ok its fine if u guys are lazy even if we make any money. This is a huge issue for me and many people in my guild. If its not fixed promptly we aren't going to be staying here much longer sadly

i agree but sadly we're also talking about EA! behind BW and EA is just terrible with Customers

i was on taris at level 19 and skipped all but the MQ for republic

ive had all these issues at some point if u look u'll see them. Also on Force stasis? i believe is what its called or force choke u can cast ti get bar and have animation going but do no damage just happened to me about a minute ago at 70 fps

READ THIS GUYS POSTS. when it frickin happens it makes the ability take longer to go in turn screwing up rotation in turn screwing up damage which hurts when u raid alot for a dps!

lol so true

its not cast delay its cast Que up time..

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Bioware thinks they can do that lol!

TOR has a dumb amount of instancing. Planets Instances of the same map instance for your ship instance for grp quests instance for Solo Quests instances for dungeons(duh) its just way too much,

Well don't argue with this guy. He's just one of many starting a topic pretending that they want good discussion but doesn't discuss just tells. Mods should just lock this thread before even more trolls pop up

What SWTOR does and wow doesn't do is it makes u automatically the ******. You don't work up u just start like that. Of course if u take simplified views of wow and go in depth about TOR it'll look alot different. Anyways WoW did add lots of things. Just because in WoW Dungeon finder is cross server doesn't mean that they all have to be. WoW added things in that help alot for casual mmo players(you'll see less people after the holidays spamming for dungeons) people forget Blizz tried to go back to the harder dungeon design and it failed! WOTLK was geared for casuals with a hard endgame and thats what they've gone back to at the End of cata. People don't want hard things anymore. Fact that you don't wanna everyone to "win" is weird though. I mean why play a game that if i don't play a crap ton i don't get to do much? It's not fun for people wwithout a crap ton of time to spend. Also On WoW you say its very simple? You kill XX here and collect XX to do XX. THATS EXACTLY WHAT TOR IS! The only difference is the VA. They tell you to kill/collect XX to summon XX or finish XX but thats it! WoW u read TOR u listen. Frankly half the time while im doing quests i want to just space bar through em(i don't) because i don't want to gear the story of why i should kill XX amount of Humans in XX settlement. Its the same thing as WoW at its core. The thing that blinds people to that is the VA but mostly the Class story. Gameplay is the Same Combat is the Same Many many skills are the Exact same. TOR added VA and thats all to MMOs. WoW came out when mmos were rather unpolished like u said. Thing is wow polished the game. Polished combat cleaned up bugs(later on not at release) added many different things to the game and even wow in vanilla was geared to casual hardcore! the game was popular because u didn't have to have as much time as in EQ to get far! They added lots of features to the game and people(as much as apparently everyone hated it) enjoyed WOTLK! it was the high point because it was completely geared to casuals to let them do anything they want to do and gave Hardcore raiders something hard to do endgame. Anyways that was long im enjoying the game just i don't see it as some godsend mmo like alot of people on these forums do ><

Rift AoC and War all had over 1million also at release. Don't use aion guys. Isn't the greatest in Eu/US but its at 2 or 3 million subs. 2nd only 2 WoW. Its not anything new to see big releases on mmos. Community wants something new and after they get past then newness factor it goes downhill from there ><

holy balls that must be some BAD BAD BAD 50's lol

uk i bet u 50 bucks if this game was anything besides BW/Star wars behind it it wouldn't be played much. This game will do OK because of BW and Star wars but if it was any other type of game without the Rediculous amount of people who will play a game only because bioware and/or star wars is behind it it wouldn't do very well at all. Bioware is rolling with the fact they hope most people will roll alts for the first 1-3 months and then when they can start pushing out an actual endgame people will still be here. YES the leveling is amazing but so is all other mmos leveling the First time around. Especially when its completely new to everyone. Fact is after u get through once the only difference is the Main story quest line. Same quests u did on ur main same planets and everything. Considering it takes nowhere near 200 hours to hit cap they're pushing it..

That one is Easy as hell. All u have to do is move from the Middle of the screen maybe once other wise go up and down

Geez didn't mean to make a thread to get everyone all up in arms and raging at each other Im currently on my Knight level 25. Im saying that on coruscant i left at level 19. I ended up having to skip All of taris because i landed and picked up level 15 quests. That alone makes no sense. Why is it im getting my ship at 17/18 and taris is 15/16 start? i do the bonus objectives if they don't take me out of the way too much Basically i don't enjoy skipping over entire zones in games. i still have 2 areas on Nar to go and im only picking up mostly green quests >< i ran esseles once Hammer twice and Athiss once. Done a total of 4 warzones and my crafting is sitting at about 200 of all 3. So mostly all i've been doing is questing. The title i guess is a bit misleading but i feel that you outlevel the planet halfway through the planet. Keep in mind i went to nar just under 20 when everything was orange at first and now im outleveling it still! Edit: Also this whole deal with wow. I play mmos rather hardcore now but im taking it slow on TOR since its story driven. With wow i was a casual player back then and got maybe at most 1-2 hours of play a day sometimes more sometimes less. Took me 4.5 months to hit 60 on my rogue. I remember in feralas just grinding ogres from level 37-42 but i never got bored of it since it was new! Most people ik playing casually took somewhere between 2-6 months depending on Experience in mmos.

i just updated to the latest beta driver so ill try and test it out in a warzone. Its a new card but i also noticed that it seems to me that when i get the FPS issues my Cpu usage jumps to 60-70% from 25-35% normally

At first i thought it was ok with the First planet getting off at about 10 and corus doing all the quests at 20. Assumed id jump off corus into Taris pretty easily mid range level and NOPE get to skip all but the MQ line because i outlevel everything by 4-5levels already! on Nar atm and hit 24 already with more than 2 districts to do and its honestly now very annoying. I like a challenge and i don't want to be 4 levels ahead of any quests but it seems like BW thinks thats how it should be..

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hmm get alot of conflicting reports lol

im not using the Beta version. Do u guys think i should try it out? edit: only beta version i see on their site is from 11/28 Edit 2: Nm found other ones lol

Hope its a driver issue then. happens in mmo not to be named also XD very annoying. To other poster i run that and fasn't seemed to help

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