you're crazy lol 350k people on at once? Thats higher then the CAP highest ever they said were on during Christmas breaks. 6k a server? I must be missing something when there's 2 instances of nar shadda on Prophecy of the 5 with 30-60 people. Guess each Planet has more then 500 people on it? lol

can't believe people will lie just to make their chosen mmos seem like the greatest thing ever

Dude Star wars has frickin Star Wars. You cannot honestly say that isn't the huge reason half of Star wars games do amazingly well at first

more stupid? really?

while he ma have raced(alot of higher levels) im at 50 and ive been playing since 5 days of EGA. Its really not that far fetched for someone who spent a little more of their holiday time on TOR instead of something else to be 50 and do a fair amount already

What ****** guild requires you to do that? Im in the top 5 guilds on my server and i run the basic ui with like DBM/recount/atlas loot. I guess you must of had some ****** *** guildies

hahaha lololol, you got jokes friend! TOR environments beautiful? hahahahaha

naw man they did

probably the exact same thing but a little bit less harsh. Not like light dark side choices changed much on ur MQ

Ummm no the 10.3 million from the Quarterly report are that many people with active open paying Accounts. The 30-40 that have tried it are what you are saying they would normally say if they're trying to Inflate numbers. And no its not impossible idk how u can possibly think that lol

ok 10 million Subs are people who play WoW(including china) i believe its around 30-40 million people who have tried out wow on trials and such accounts and canceled. Warcraft Realms is outdated as always and it used to(i believe) require an Addon that the people on the site themselves have to keep on in every zone in every spot of the game to get all the people playing. It really is a terrible site

Yup wow is completely dead servers with low populations never happened in WoW. You'd be surprised how many people leave Realms because of lack of progression and anything going on

this this this and this

well yeah its a new game also(hint people like to try out new games)

Just play what u enjoy. The games like 20 bucks to level 70 now so try that out or even just the free trial to level 20. If u enjoy it more than TOR play it if u enjoy TOR more play TOR. I really hope this wasn't a well disguised troll post but wouldn't be surprised. If you post here and then post same thing on WoW forums ull have some people like me saying play w.e u like more and then the Raging fanboys on each side saying XX games is the Black plague and This game is better! GL with your mmo endeavors good sir. I vote just try many of them out. Doesn't matter how many players play one game just play w.e u enjoy mmos don't shut down easily

u know what i believe is hilarious? WoW Devs(even the original ones) have said that their Talent trees are inherently flawed yet every mmo keeps taking the OLD talent trees in wow. They're supposed to give u a reward that u can choose that also makes u more powerful but will also be fun at the same time. I forgot how bad talents really were back in Vanilla/BC. I honestly don't care 2 much either way but i level up and get 1% damage/XX stat or 10% chance of something its just not very fun >.> Also they are the same as WoW just with different txt. Not much different. Yes mop looks to the average Eye as dumbed down but each set there's choices(for the most part) and thats not even release talents. Sadly i don't feel like a pro good gamer for googling XX build for XX class and copy it. I love the way they're taking em with MoP where(at least for mages) there's already multiple choices that can wok for each spec and boss fights while none are clearly(for the most part) amazingly better than others. Anyways ill prolly get flamed for mentioning wow ><

From their stats post i believe its about 500k but then again ur comparing to a free to play all the way through game

Hell even wow has fish that spawn with the day night cycle XD It would be a nice touch over the blatantly obvious Painted background of all the Worlds. I dont expect it too be 3d but even it moving a bit would be nicer than o ok i see a mountain in the distance in the game world but barely can make it out but behind that is a nice pretty detailed mount and 2d flat ship that never does anything. Basically everything that happens in the game runs within the same hour forever

Fixed! Hey guys i can play this game too

Thiss

damn 40? i wish u could tell me how to get 40 quests in mah log! 2004=2012 amirite? The bugs at endgame are game breaking. Guess what? People have played a polished mmo for the last 1-7 years that means if u can't release a polished mmo at least partially polished ur going under because ppl will go back to the comfort food

99.9% of WoW players are not raiders. its actually a very low number of raiders that even attempt or kill a heroic version. Or are u talking about lfr? Some people still don't use it but alot do. Of course TOR is alot different with the Easy mode jump into raiding with Greens on Raid that noone will ever do because its obviously hard >.> I honestly think most people who say they have the new "in love" factor with this game wil lose it very soon. Its a new game people enjoy new games and after a few weeks when its no longer so new there's not that much of a reason to play it either

Take out all of those 7 billion in the world who can't Play wow because they're starving and such. Take out all the people living in areas you aren't allowed to Play WoW and even barely the internet. Take out the amount of people who DONT PLAY VIDEO GAMES(yes ik i thought everyone in the world does this) take out the amount of gamers that don't enjoy mmos whatsoever. Then from there you can get a decent amount(Blizzard has said about i believ i ts 30-40 million accounts have been made on WoW thats MOST of the mmo market that has tried WoW at some point. That in turn means that when more than a quarter of all the mmo market is preoccupied in one game you'll prolly wanna steal some of those subs. Just saying 7 billion is stupid to throw out. Maybe at most there's 50million mmo gamers(bs from what i can tell) that stick with mmos. If i go through the top 2 mmos atm thatss 12million or so(wow+aion) if i added all mmos atm it'll prolly be sitting just around if not short of 20million. So in turn that means WoW currently has about 50% of the mmo market that actually plays an mmo more than just a few days and leave

The time issue is huge. People had time to let WoW build up because there wasn't a serious big competitor at the time of wow Release.(Eq1 basically dead EQ2 not out) now you don't have the luxury as a game developer to wait 4-6 months to get **** out. It needs to be fast within the first 3 with ALOT in the first month. It sucks for new games its just the fact nowadays. Now if WoW was really low on Subs(eq1 at wow release) and TOR was released and blizzard hadn't released(for a random MMO name) WoW2 tor would have time to build. Fact is TOR has to build up and Fast. We have Tera,Gw2 and MoP(don't pretend MoP won't get alot of people to resub) not counting alot of other time eaters such as Heart of the Swarm and Diablo 3!

This. Its not exactly fair BUT the game does feel much closer to BC/vanilla WoW than cata. While overall game and flashpoints and such feel much like cata. It feels weird as hell having loading screens 24/7 in an mmo and the combat is clunky. Even wow at release had better combat(trust me this is terrible people want fluid combat now). If TOR was trying to get new people into MMOs and not aim for WoW subs/Ex subs it could be something special but atm its not trying to do anything new. Sadly the endgame isn't even close to anywhere near done. Think after the amount of time they'd at least be able to name the mobs in the instance(beast mob 1/2/3) and learn how to tune to gear for heroic Flashpoints. I want to play TOR it just feels old as hell. Im just gonna stick with WoW with my guild of 5 years for now and come back in 4-6 months and see if its any better and if its grown. I just feel like this could possibly be one of the Biggest MMO fails ever. Ik Ik ill get flamed for what i just said but these forums are just like all the other Big mmo forums that are released. Got lots of Drones saying JUST GIVE THEM TIME(just like u said o its only in beta!) and eventually they're still around and the Game is even more dead than before with only a few servers. I just think even if u enjoy the game don't be blind to the idea that it can fail just because of Clunky combat. Don't be blind to the fact that Bioware hasn't tested much of the game past 35 it seems and endgame is serverly lacking. U guys want the game to succeed but if someone disagrees with BW and says XX can really kill an mmo because XX mmo lost alot of Subs because of this before and you say HAHA MAKE UR OWN MMO AND SEE HOW EASY IT IS THEN YOU CAN TALK! you'll ruin the game faster than EA