On my BM character I kill fresh 50's in all oranges really, really easily. I kill PvE geared people really easily too. And no, my argument is not that a fresh 50 should have the same gear as me. Nowhere did I say that. My argument is that the gap from centurion to BM should be reduced, and that centurion should be a lot easier to get.

links? Because the only dev thing I read was very vague.

You can't say that burst isn't affected when you no longer have access to induction while in dark charge.

I have a toon in BM and I fully support nerfing it.

Oh, and a (big) point: 1) WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO NERF BM. MAYBE THEY'RE JUST BUFFING CENTURION. So...calm down you gearwhores.

And some people find ramming their repeatedly into hard objects enjoyable too. That doesn't mean that you have to impose that on the rest of the population.

People who hit 50 early did not have the same experience. As one of them, I know. And pretending like you did is disingenuous.

Hmmmm Might I suggest you take your own advice?

Funny. You could also interpret this thread as (bad) BM's whining that they can't compete without a massive gear advantage. Get real. We'll still have a gear advantage, it just won't be as large.

You might be jumping the gun a litte.

Could I suggest you learn engrish before posting gibberish?

How would this work with PvE gear then?

Another thing most of you carebears (aka people who think gear trumps skill) don't realize is that this might encourage more people to actually hit 50. This is a good thing because: 1) Don't have to wait in such long queue times 2) If you're so leet, you'll have a premade anyways. More ppl = more pugs for you to stomp. Oh wait...most of you will lose to pugs if the odds are evened somewhat.

umm....you're doing it wrong. If you have a dot on you you should always be using that cleanse before you force cloak. With patience, I'm essentially unkillable, even in pug vs premade situations

Yes, let's equate A GAME WHICH YOU PAY FOR to work, WHERE YOU GET PAID. Fail harder, my friend. Please. Oh, and /pwned

To sum up most of the butthurt carebears in this thread who think stomping ants = PvP: "Oh no! My once 20% advantage is now 10 or 15%. HOW CAN I COMPETE?" edit: I forgot to add in: "WHAT? I live in mom's basement, don't have a social life and can therefore play 10 hours a day....I NEEDZ VALIDATION FROM THIS GAME SO MY LIFE DOESN'T FEEL SO EMPTY" rofl (and yes, I was in full bm before I rerolled to repub, so you might as well not bother going down that route)

Yeah hybrid weren't great at dps...they were ok. These changes essentially make you go darkness/madness, and remove the viability of darkness/deception Personally, I think they should've just swapped force pull and wither...forcing you to more fully invest in darkness to get all the utility (lets be honest...force pull is awesome utility) you could get from darkness

I think they're changing the stats on all the sets...so cent might not be as bad as it currently is right now

I thought the merc/commando (dps) 2 piece bonus > BM? Just as an example @ppl who think they're nerfing expertise Maybe they are. But do you really think they would do it without bumping up the base stats of the gear? Then again, this is also the company that can't even fix a win no counting towards the daily, and who thought that not putting in a death zone in Ilum whilst having huge pop imbalances was a good idea.

You're right. No one who says the gear gap is too big could POSSIBLY already be in full bm. Inconceivable!

Basically this destroys hybrid (tank) assasins, while being a tiny, tiny buff for pure dps assasins. They should've given tanksins a bit of a survivability buff in exchange for losing a lot of dps.

Well said. PvE != PvP, carebears. But I am curious where you got this nerfing of BM/Champ loot drops?

This thread can be summarized in the following manner: Vague information is released concerning changing a few stats to rebalance PvP gear Clearly this means they're removing expertise now? rofl. A HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE leap in logic people. Also, to sum up op: "Oh noes! I can't 3 shot new 50's! QQ! QQ!" And yes, I am 50 with full BM (before I rerolled repub)

assasin is FAR from gimped.

1) I did...on my first toon. I no longer have the time or patience to do it again, especially with the ******** bugged dailies. In any case, I was just pointing out how you were wrong. And you were. 2) PvE gear is acquired A LOT more quickly/easier (at least the first 2 tiers) than PvP gear currently.