I love when people say...well Lucas is horrible so I don't have to consider him an authority. Uh.... There is no quality standard here. In every sense of the word he has control of the SW Universe. Someone made the comment "He doesn't even know the Solo kid's names"...my response is...SO? Lucas could close his eyes, and yell LALALALLALALALA while signing documents clearing stories into the EU and they would all be valid (unless he retconned them). Now I get that some don't like that, or don't agree. To them I say "too bad". If you want to ignore Lucas's role in the films and lore that is fine, but do so outside of public discussion that must (to be productive) have certain realities agreed upon as a basis. Lucas is Star Wars, period...end of discussion.

The sad and pathetic part of your "argument" is that they parts you believe prove your point actually erode it. Running around choking and slaughtering people isn't really all that powerful when you consider the concept of the Force. You think so because you think killing and fighting is "cool" and "powerful". It is really not, and is at best a very simplistic way to use the Force and possibly the lowest application of its fictional power. Staying within Canon, Darth Maul used the darkside of the Force to make himself into a powerful weapon. I am sure he was capable or nearly capable of all the things you listed. Yet he is not recognized as one of the great force users, in fact he is nothing more than a tool. Maul is one step above Mara Jade and the like. Since Bane the darkside of the Force was less about ridiculous shows of power and more about deception and cloaking the Sith in plain sight. Your examples are actually the exact opposite of what brought true power to the Sith. While the Force offered guidance and allowed the Sith to hide, political machinations and preying on mortal weaknesses are what finally brought the Sith true power. Now of course you are going to say "AH BUT HIDING THE SITH IN PLAIN SIGHT IS SO POWERFUL IT FOOLED THE JEDI HAHAHAHAHA LOOK HOW POWERFUL!".... And you would be wrong. Jedi can cloak themselves in the Force and hide their presence as well. The end answer is that the Force is the Force, and the user decides the application of such. The manifestations of the Force are as powerful as the conduit in question. Two final points. Before you even try it...I play a Sith Marauder and no Republic characters. Also the most powerful conduit of the Force is Luke, that is fact. He chooses to apply the principles of the light side when using the Force, and yet he is the most powerful. That by itself invalidates all of your claims and stated by the highest power (in this case) George Lucas. The only other fact to consider is that you are wrong in all your points.

Mr. Lucas said that Luke is the most powerful force user, lightsaber duelist etc. He never gave him the "Jedi" qualification. Sidious was give the most powerful "Sith" title. Luke is absolute (at least with regards to mortals).

Episode 1 was better than Episode 2...for what that is worth. First off we should get rid of two characters from the storyline as a whole, Qui-Gon and General Grevious. Simply put Qui-Gon does nothing that wouldn't be better served by having Obi-Wan do it. Obi-Wan could have found Anakin, and they could have developed their relationship from Day One with Obi-Wan a fresh and inexperienced Jedi Knight (possibly Yoda's last Padawan and Naboo maybe his first diplomatic assignment). Obi-Wan is accompanied by his astromech droid R2-D2 (a standard issue to all Jedi Knights). Obi-Wan would be the model knight but with a very slight streak of having his own mind in things (he sees things at times from a certain perspective!). You need to make Anakin older, maybe 13 (this makes the Padme thing less creepy). Anakin should be an introvert but can be a technology whiz (he can make 3PO if that is what GL wants). Setup the podrace in a much more simple way, you can still have it for the "flash" but stay from the ridiculous betting and reasoning. (as an example) To gather whatever is needed to leave the planet Obi Wan needs to see a specific person, and since Jedi are not respected in the Outer Rim the best chance to force an impromptu meeting is a the Boonta Eve Podrace. By this point Obi Wan has sense Anakin's potential but is focused at the task at hand. Anakin on the other hand (unknown to Obi Wan) has snuck down to the racetrack and somehow gotten into the race all in an attempt to impress Padme (Anakin may be an introverted slave but he has a reckless streak!). Anakin wins the race, impresses the girl, and is admonished by Obi Wan. However the winnings are enough to free him but not his mother. This is ok however because his mother is going to marry a man who has promised to free her and as a possible Jedi (Obi Wan has agreed to present him to the council despite his antics because he is SOOOO powerful in the force) he could not have her with him anyhow. You can still introduce Maul on Tatooine. The sequence on the capital remains essentially the same with the council is unwilling to allow Anakin to be trained, and Obi Wan is told to take him back to Tatooine. This is despite the fact he still may be the Chosen One and Obi Wan can tell us the audience the basic prophecy. Obi Wan approaches Amidala about her returning to Naboo and states that he will go back with her (this will not be ordered by the Jedi Council) and do what he can for her noble cause and because of a nudging from the Force. Obi Wan has been tasked with taking Anakin home, so he has no choice but to take him first to Naboo. Obi Wan is essentially following the guidance of the force (which has been guiding him much more strongly since finding Anakin). Once on Naboo you eliminate the space battle at the end, you still have the Gungan - Droid battle but with Padme there directing the royal forces while Obi Wan infiltrates the palace. Unbeknownst to Obi Wan, Anakin sneaks off and steals a speeder bike and follows. Obi Wan takes out oodles of droids and enters the throne room. Nute Gunray is not nearly the idiot that he is in my version of the film and he sits in the room somewhat calmly on Amidala's throne as Maul and Obi Wan fight it out (we can totally change how the throne room looks to make this more dramatic). At the end of the fight Anakin runs in (FORESHADOWING!) and this distracts Obi Wan who gets stabbed in the belly. Anakin gets VERY angry and this leads to Anakin releases a tremendous force wave that knocks Maul through a wall and presumably to his death in the falls of Theed. Obi Wan survives obviously. During this time however Nute Gunray escapes, making it back to his droid command ship, At the battle on the plains between the droids and the Gungan/Royal forces, the battle is a stalemate until Amidala discovers some glaring weakness and exploits it (cementing here as an intelligent politician and leader, not to mention holding her own in a fight...Leia anyone?) With his landforces in shambles and no longer in control of the capital the Trade Federation forces retreat from the planet with the blockade broken. Back at the Jedi Temple two things occur. First Obi Wan uses some old Jedi tradition/law to force the Jedi council to allow his training of Anakin, reinforced by the fact that going untrained would have dire consequences considering what Anakin did to Maul in a fit of rage. More importantly now knowing that the Sith have returned it would be unwise to give them such a powerful recruit (FORESHADOWING!). They also let slip that Maul's body was never found though with those powerful waters who knows....they have no way to know if he is dead. I would not reveal the rule of two here, I would allow Maul to do it somehow in the second film. Happy times at Naboo and we get our celebration. The reason to get rid of Qui-Gon is that he provides NOTHING that Obi Wan could not do and takes away from Obi Wan and from Anakin (and their relationship). All you would have to do is figure out how to allow Obi Wan to learn the Force Ghost talent another way and you have completely eliminated the need for Qui Gon. Considering in this version of the movie you establish that Obi Wan is very much interested in the ancient texts of the Jedi it would make sense he was scholarly enough to find something. Also you do not need General Grevious. Obi Wan is going to fight Maul for the entire set of films. You are going to use Dooku as the Grand Moff Tarkin type to lead the Seperatists, and Dooku will not be an ex-Jedi but the senator who lost to Palpatine for Chancellor (which he thought was rigged and is now in his mind fighting for the Republic's ideals while making a deal with Sideous...you get the irony!). Anakin will still eventually kill a helpless Dooku, and Obi Wan will kill Maul in episode 3. Lastly what about Jar Jar? I keep him in the movie but instead of a very poor analog of C3-PO I instead make him an analog for Chewbacca. The honorable, strong, and loyal sidekick to Padme. When Padme becomes Naboo's senator he is her bodyguard. He is not present on Mustafar and he considers his assignment (we can say Gungans who are told to do something by the Big Boss do it until they die or told otherwise) passed to Leia when she is born (and avoids every returning to Naboo so he cannot be given another assignment). He is on Alderran when it explodes (again mimicking Chewie). Oh and no midichlorians FFS.

IIRC didn't George Lucas state somewhere that Luke dies peacefully with no further details.

I love these threads. Mr. Lucas has stated that Luke is the most powerful and accomplished Force user and lightsaber duelist. Sidious is the most powerful Sith and probably 2nd to only Luke overall. For those of you proposing the SWTOR Emperor and using his planet draining event as proof, last time I checked it wasn't him that did that. It was him leading 1000 Sith lords in that effort. Anyone that says Revan, Tulak Horde, Markos Rangnos, etc etc you are all wrong since they are not even the most powerful Jedi/Sith. The thing that just kills me is when people disagree with a fact but want you to somehow accept their opinion. Luke is the most powerful, whether you like that or not, it really doesn't matter. It is what it is.

Just three copy and pastes and I would be fine. 1. The Saber Marshal robe from the end of the Revanite quest for Inquisitors. Give me that armor. 2. A simple black robe combo from any of the Sentinel armors just redone black. Heck make it available to them as well, Jedi want a black robe option. 3. Give me the outfit the Marauder at the end of the Essles (sp?) flashpoint is wearing. It is awesome...AWESOME. Give me that.

Anyone with any other experience?

I have seen folks post that they had "black robes" as a jedi but I want a hood as well, and thank you for your response. I am may just play a Sith Marauder, however I like the republic side more, even though I think I like the "rage" aspect of the Sith if that makes since (yes I do care about story etc!)

Bumpey

Can a Jedi (dual wield) manage to get a black robe and hood? I know this has been asked a billion times, I apologize. Search function is a no go.