I am Darth Zauron of jung ma for who asked. The point that juggs are target for focus fire is beyond silly. Sniper, merc, marauder, sorc come way before us, i would even say sin would be a better pic first. Saber reflect and saber ward can make a target think twice about choosing us first and wz adrenaline + enraged defense can negate a focus burst too. And if they are that stupid to keep focusing you above said classes you are doing good because the other classes left untouched will turn your death to victory if played competently. Lets not forget intercede 30 m away after a chilling scream. Rage offers a killing burst with little uptime and theres only 4 targets. If 1 good dps cordinates with you can kill people quiet easily. Vegence aoe pressure will only serve to do fluff dmg and break ccs. 2 intimading roars back to back with 2 rage juggs focusing a target and double intercedes on a guarded healer is unstoppable

Learn to play your class. In fact stay a jugg so people will keep thinking we arent OP. You have heavy armor, amazing dcds and are the most viable melee class overall. Excellent cc and capable of serious damage if in rage. You also have excellent tools to use in ranked that other dps dont. Namely taunts and intercede and a 8sec aoe cc which bads dont know exist or even use. You can serve multiple roles but you run the cookie cutter vengence while expecting to be unkillable which immortal is or a god of destruction which rage is.

Sorry people its true. As a highly ranked dps jugg that does both ranked and unranked as well as duels and open world pvp. Veng is over rated, has average single target dps that depends on a channeled ability and cant help but break cc. In duels it renders intimi roar useless which can ofthen decide a duel and its cc immunity + 20% dm doesnt mean much on a 15 sec cd ability which can only be sped up with ultilities that could be placed in better more effective abilities. Lets compare their primary functions: dps. Rage: You easily and within one rotation dish out close to 40k single target dmg. At 90% surge, 25% crit rate, 2 auto crits, 50% armor ignore, and roughly 13% dmg boost from shi cho cascading power and furious strike into a ravage this is a very real and dangerous possibility. While rage does lack the 20% dr from force charge for 4 secs how ofthen is a jugg a target in ranked wzs? And in a duel at best thats 2 globals that reduced assuming they dont pop dcds? The difference between a win or loss is ofthen decided by cc, burst dps and mobility all of which rage offers in abundance. Vengence: immunity from cc allows for a sundered target to eat an autocrit that increases melee dmg and then spam 2 ravages that are enchanced by 26% including shein and leave a shatter to burn the target and if vicious throw was procced you may be able to finish the foe if they dont react properly. You also have the benefit of high crit chance and heavy hitter vengeful slam for spreading three dots for up to 8 targets at the cost of breaking ccs. So clearly both have some nice forms and offensive options with vengence having a small edge in passive 5% dmg reduction compared to rage 3% while having 20% after leaps and 15% during endure pain. Mobility wise i actually have to give rage the edge here and NOT vengence despite its 4s cc immunity. Why? Because rage offers unstoppable just like veng, a second hard hitting leap that also roots. An massive autocrit thats 10m and a small cd root breaker that can be enchanced with ultilities. The cc immunity is really overated since you get unstoppable ultilitie anyways and ravage cant be interupted. Personally i never even seen how shiens form movement speed ever made a difference. And as far as function dps and dropping healers and squishies rage burst is just too superior. The cc immunity and ravage root of veng can be rolled out of by ops, bubbled or migated by dcds. What your left with is dots, superior defense that wont matter cause you shount be targeted If any experenced juggs that pvp in all types of situations would like to disagree please leave coments. As a previous master vengence player i stand by the fact that rage in the hands of an equally skilled player should always perform better for the purpose of dps

Bad just bad. Excuse after excuse for Jedi weakness and Sith Superiority. Plain and simple. I'm sorry just because the good guys come back in the end and win by some crazy stroke of luck DOES NOT show power. Not at all. If anything its story telling, could there be a plot if the galaxy was in darkness forever? Also keep in mind the Sith ALWAYS come back and destroy your pitiful republic and slaughter you Jedi Order You give excused on all counts for Sith Lords dominating jedi in 1 vs 1, heck even 1 vs 4 in the case of Sidious and Mace with His Jedi master friends, or Darth Maul against Obi wan and Jin or Dooke vs anakin AND obi wan AND yoda. The whole Jedi dont need to achive immortality bs... They Cant, pure and simply. The Dark Side is a pathway to many abilities, some considered UNNATURAL. The Jedi can become a force ghost and endure, big deal. Their dead. Sith Lords can do that too as in the case of Marka Ragnos or Exar Kun. Can the Jedi achive immortality like Sidious? Viate? Sion? No they cant they die and accept their fate because they are afraid of true individuality, of power and of themselves. Anakin was the most powerful Jedi, the chose one. Why did he choose the Dark Side? because ITS STRONGER, it has far more abilities AND GL says so himself. Even looking at the classes in this game is funny, the jedi consulars throwing their rocks.. The FACT is that Sith can do that AND use Lightning and far more other powerful Dark Side arts. Imagine if Yoda turned to the Dark Side he would destroy Palpatine with ease, this is what dooku himself says, he remains on the Light and is thrown down by Darth Sidious and laughed at. The Dark Side enchances your power, it unbinds you and allows you to reach unimaginable potential. Btw the Emperor was not killed by your Jedi Knight, that was merely his voice, The Wrath accomplishes the same feat, not a big deal dude.

shes weak bro, Beaten by Darth Malgus TWICE. Once saved from death by her master who Malgus slaughtered Second saved from a trooper while on her knees with her saber cut in half by Malgus

You have been deceived, as our powers over the Dark Side have blinded you.... So far I have seen the fail argument that Shan was an apprentice when she first fought Darth Malgus thus getting her butt handed to her and nearly slaughtered right then and there were it not for a timely save from her master saber throw justifies her weakness. Heres the deal, Malgus was an appretice when he fought shan as well as evident when he kills his Master, thats right he killed his master so he was apprentice too, also he killed shans master like a dog. Round two, he dominates the fight with her, he cuts her saber in half and has her on her knees stuggling for her life, this is after getting blown up ONCE by a tropper, then shan is SAVED yet again, luckily by the tropper who blows up Malgus AGAIN, and ONLY THEN is she capable of defeating him although not killing him. So yes Darth Malgus is more powerful than shan, he destroyed the whole dam jedi temple and slaughter countless jedi. It also seems the fan boys like to bring up that the Light prevails in the end so that somehow justifies its weakness???? Um, its a cycle. Jedi and Sith take over again and again and this makes story telling possible, that does not signify power. The unnatural powers of the Sith Lords to devour planets, achive immortality ( yes real immortality not just be some dam ghost), slaughter numerous Jedis and corrupt and seduce the Jedi is proof of "Power" Using GL for statements is flawed because he does in fact say the Dark Side is STRONGER, Yes he really does. No you dont need to interprete it or twist it to something else, he says the Dark Side is Stronger. Sidious beat your precious Yoda, he casted him down and laughed. Darth Vader saved your precious Luke, yes luke would have died if a Sith Lord didnt save him, he could not beat the emperor, he was on the ground crying like a baby like most jedi do Count Dooko beat TWO jedi alone and dueled Yoda and held his ground. He fled but guess what he just fought THREE jedi, one Master Yoda none the less and survived untouched. Luke used anger (darkside) to beat Vader Anakin used anger (darkside) to beat dooku Most importantly, the jedi are easily corrupted , seduced by the Power of the Dark Side. This is always the case. Lots of them. How many fiercesome Sith Lords go towards the Light for Power? just as many? half as many? one? two? Two: Revan and Vader both to be redeamed not for power because the Light isnt stronger.

I had hoped the sheer number of examples in movies, story and trailers that I and many other plp provided were enough to CLEARLY show the Dark Side is Stronger but for those of you that insist GL is law and would rather discard your ability to think and reason for yourself like a Jedi devoted to his flawed Code then now you have it straight from GL mouth. THE DARKSIDE IS STRONGER. Btw I think anyone whos read more than the original trilogy can be certain there are various figures FAR more powerful than the likes of Luke or Sidious, but if you still insist on going with what GL says consider this: Luke gives in to his anger ( Dark Side) in order to defeat Darth Vader Luke is on the ground, defenseless, crying, screaming for help when shown the TRUE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE by Darth Sidious, he NEEDS help from his daddy or he would have died. After trilogy, Luke Skywalker Joins the Darth Sidious as HIS APPRENTICE because HE KNOW THE EMPEROR IS ALL POWERFUL. As for stronger figures than Darth Sidious, Darth Viatate- Crushes and absorbs a PLANET of Sith Lords, achieving Immortality and bordering near the Power of a God. One Sith Lord = 3 Jedi masters at LEAST, a planet of Sith Lords devoured?? You do the math. Darth Nihilius- Devours planets of Jedi, a wound in the Force, immortal by transferring his essence in His mask, Will eventually devour the Sith as well when the Jedi are no more. His presence alone kills everything around him. Darth Sidious needed a "death star" for a similar feat of power, he was NOT immortal and at best slaughtered 3 Jedi masters while drawing with Mace and Defeating the strongest Jedi of his era Master Yoda while laughing the whole time.

LMFAO, The Jedi kills a few Sith Lords 1 vs 1 in his story? or with friends? My Sith warrior Jugg Darth Zazikel, has slaughtered Jedi Masters and apprentice at once without any companions, I have slaughtered your kind on every planet with ease. I even corrupted a Master of your weak order, corrupted his apprentice and then have his apprentice murder her then corrupted master and serve me as sex slave. So much for the Light. Btw the big accomplishment of your jedi knight namely his defeating the "voice" of the Emperor, My Sith Warrior does the same and kills his own Master and becomes a Wrath The enforcer of the Emperor and above the Dark Council If you wanted to go by the game that is, I am using more concrete examples like movies and story.

Its not the east or the west side, No ITS NOT Its not the north or south side, NO ITS NOT, ITS THE DARKSIDE. YOU ARE CORRECT For all you Vader hatez out there, we'll blow your planet up

And Yes this thread is about Sheer power, not who kisses more babies, in that regard the Dark Side of the Force is vastly more powerful. One Sith Lord = 3 Jedi Masters at least. If you deny such truth, well then you have simply been deceived by The Power of The Dark Side of the Force. By the way 2+ Jedi and a whole team vs one Sith Lord to achived victory doesnt show power on the part of the Jedi if anything it shows their weakness. The Sith Lords are power in its Highest Form.

Right, for all of Palpatines power he FAILED. By destroying YOUR ENTIRE MUTHA FRACKIN JEDI ORDER. Yes he truly failed. No, Just No, You have been deceived as Our Powers Over the Dark Side have Blinded you... No, you were DECEIVED, and NOW your Republic SHALL FALL.

You are deceived Jedi, watch as the Dark Side consumes and breaks your pitiful republic and order. There is only the Dark Side, worship the Rightful rulers of the Galaxy Now watch as the Siths return marks the destruction of your beloved republic the Might of a Sithlord Nearly wipes Satela shan and Slaughters her Master showing the True Power of the Dark Side. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZQmlhnWkc Better yet, watch as the greatest champion of the Light namely Master Yoda is soundly defeated by the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, and the JEDI ARE NO MORE... Only the laughter of the Sith remains http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFEjcvIRMDo But let us end with One of the Greatest Sith lords and perhaps the strongest, "The extent of his power cannot be put into words… and his perceptions have grown as well. To him…" "You are dust motes in a storm… a grain upon the beach… and as insignificant as a body that orbits the graveyard of Malachor." Lord Nihilus, Devourer of Worlds and Eater of planets, Jedi are mere food for This One. Tremble to the FULL POWER OF THE DARK SIDE

LMFAO, ok guys so, To ANYONE who has any further belief that the Light is stronger than Dark Side the below video is for you, listen to its words and tittle as your hope and delusions leave you.... Witness the True Power Of A Dark Lord of the SITH, fully immersed in the Dark Side and slaugtering, choking, throwing and just all DESTROYING any and EVERY Jedi, even your precious Master at the end falls,... deceived by the power of the DARK SIDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOvbv-LkK6w

LOL Darth Malevorent nailed it, /thread

Diamonddug are you mad? because you seem to ignore the entire points that are made showing the Dark Side being stronger and than just state all the above points are false because u say so. I can do the same thing you did, Yoda lost, Mace lost, obi wan lost, satela lost, Qui gon jin lost etc etc. The Point was made that 1 vs 1 the Sith Lords whoop the Jedi most if not all the time. Dooku did not die from Yoda, in fact he wiped the floor with obi wan AND anakin AND held Yoda off, 1 vs 3 and walked away unharmed with two jedi beaten. Thats pretty clear the Dark Side is stronger. AND yes the Jedi DO Call upon the Dark Side to beat their oppornents, This is seen when Luke gets angry and beats Darth Vader. Yes Luke got ANGRY ( Dark Side) to beat Darth Vader. Yes He Really did. As did Obi wan Againts Maul. And whats even better is ONCE MORE, 1 Sith, an apprentice at that, slaughters A jedi MAster and nearly kills his padawan as well. Thats 1 vs 2 with the 1 sith apprentice killing a jedi master almost killing apprentice but dying at the end. And Luke was on his knees crying like a baby when the Emperor showed him the power of the Dark Side. He was crying, defenseless and would have died. He was saved which goes back to a Jedi needing help to kill a Sith Lord. As for your coments: Darth Revan lost, Darth Malak lost, Lord Kaan lost, Darth Sion lost, Darth Nihilus lost, Darth Traya lost, Darth Krayt lost, Exar Kun lost, Naga Sadow lost, Darth Sidious lost, Dath Vader lost. If they have the upper hand in every situation why do the keep loseing? Completely avoiding the fact that Darth Sion slaughtered hundreds of Jedi by HIMSELF Darth Nihilius ATE PLANETS OF JEDI for breakfast Darth Sidious DESTROYED THE ENTIRE JEDI ORDER Darth Vader Slaughtered countless Jedi and drove them to 2 left that WERE HIDING IN FEAR. So ya they lost eventually after killing 1282832943923001202302130021 Weak Jedis So ya The Dark Side is Stronger. umadbro? GIVE IN TO YOUR ANGER