Just some prior knowledge i like my op i am trying to play concealment at 55 but im getting hit for 10k by maras with lolsmash spec so i pose this question. from the scoundrel answers thread : Shoot First/Hidden Strike does great damage because it requires you to be stealthed behind your target. If it did not require stealth, it would do considerably less damage. Our metrics assume that Shoot First/Hidden Strike is only used once per encounter, so if you are using Disappearing Act/Cloaking Screen to perform additional Shoot First/Hidden Strike attacks in a single encounter, then you are probably performing above our expectations. We understand the difficulties in using a positional attack from stealth, and we do not wish to require players to use an escape mechanic to produce competitive, sustained damage. That said, we have to be careful to keep the burst damage at a reasonable level when the mechanic is used. We might consider giving Scrapper/Concealment Scoundrels/Operatives a way to use Shoot First/Hidden Strike outside of stealth, since they already have many skills that improve it, but such a drastic change to gameplay would be more likely to come along in an expansion pack than a balance update. But smash is balanced? I don't get how our opener is only a opener because it hits relavtivley hard but smash hits harder can be used out of stealth and doesn't require positioning or and kind of stealthy approach and its a aoe. I honestly don't see how this is a justification can someone explain this to me or shed some light on the matter maybe a bioware response.

If it weren't in unranked i wouldn't do arenas i play with two friends and i don't like the elitism of ranked as i don't want to have to re roll op classes to be competitive i think this is good it will show more solo quers what arena is like and then some might consider going competitive its not like they are long and boring its a quick fight unlike unwinnable alderann where you afk at a certain point.

I'd hate to bring up a old mmo ability but what about a ability where you can use all your stealth abilities out of stealth for 4 seconds or something. I.e hidden strike. or Ta's increasing crit chance by like 7.5% per stack.

Also i don't think i have seen it mentioned but sins have a easier energy management system. So not alone having less burst and less cd's we have a a more unforgiving resource with Ta's compared to force which regen which means you can dump all your force with no down time. Also why do our set bonuses suck for dps.

thana vesh's is just centurion marauders trouble makers is scorpio jacket. Don't give them money for this.

I actually i have one of each class i was playing a merc when makeb hit and that is far from balanced you clearly didn't look at my other posts and bringing this up rather than answering back to bioware ftw just shows you cannot argue concisely and well. I would like equal footing and i don't think any class should be the best in 1 vs 1 it just shouldn't no other mmo has a class like this why do they have a stealther that has large burst if they get opener off and another which has large burst no matter what. Yes i play a arsenal merc but i also have just rolled a sniper due to the fact that it's one of the only good ranged classes and those 10k ambushes are only one attack they arent mauls, a finisher and 7k projects 7k discharges its one ability not 4. If someone can tell me why a class like this is allowed to have the best utility the best burst stealth that it doesn't even need then i will be happy. I want a fair and equal footing in pvp not one class being on top i know balance will never be right but this is ridiculous every class pre 2.0 had a counter this class does not and saying "if snipers get 10k ambushes so should we" maybe you should just not 7-10k crits all round. You all complained about pyros 5k railshots but now you have a just as simple ability that hits very hard but its not broken very hypocritical. Its a good job arenas aren't in this game with the lolassassin class and scoundrel healers.

Theres a reason warzones are full of them i will give you a hint i just got hit for a 8k maul.They are a grossly overpowered, stupid damage out of stealth for a stealther almost every utility in the game and no counter. This class is op if anyone can give me a reasonable reason why not and don't come up with they are supposed to be best 1 vs 1 i shouldn't die without a fighting chance where is the competitveness in that you don;t see any other mmo having a class that beats everything solo? Stupid damage hitting harder on a instant cast then a snipers channeled abilities or any set up skill is ridiculous and don't get me started on 7k dicharges a melee stealther with ranged attacks hitting hard as only ranged classes its not a jack of all trades its a master of all trades. Please don't troll i know that is unlikely because every game im in theres 4-5/8 players are assassins/shadows and they won't want their op class nerfed.

They are viable to a certain extent but they are still lagging behind most classes electro net is our only saving grace overall we need tweaking but we aren't as bad as we used to be but we are not as good as we should be either

Is it worth stacking? I'm not 55 yet but i would assume it makes lethality better or is it still pointless?

You are also talking about the ability that made them viable in huttball in the first place this guy clearly has never been knocked down the pit pre 2.0 as a operative you need this to get back up and help your team. It's not like you can have pull (when talented) and have some decent ranged abilities at all. You are complaining about a class which is sub par to its counter part in a lot of ways.

I always get the feeling these posts are made by shadows because they aren't the kings of huttball anymore with shroud+force speed = score.

I have to say every other class has better or on par burst than lolsmash.

To get rid of bolster would mean adding recruit and that never worked i do think level 55 bolster is a issue but it is also the expansion largely i mean has anyone geared in the slightest from 51 to 55 from makeb? Short answer is no you don't get the gear you need to compete at 55 so what are they to do add bolster instead as a "quick fix". Personally getting to grind partisan while leveling from 51-55 would be nice as people who want to pvp will and people who don't won't. Another good way to do it was remove the expertise aspect of bolster i think balancing stat increase would be a lot simpler and giving everyone just a flat expertise out of pvp gear of around 1.6-1.7k instead of it alternating on what you leave on and off.

Thank you but i would mainly be after the old champion gear it was soo nice they recently made centurion into modable gear so they must have something in mind and it better not be the cartel market.

Did not know where to put this so here goes. Can we have the old armor shells back from tionese columi rakata centurion champion 20 pvp gear 40 pvp gear etc? Just the shells i would and i am sure others also would like customization options and putting shells of already existing gear in game cannot be that hard thanks.

Thank you very much can any explain to me lethality i know it was used without cover pre 2.0 is that the case now? How does it fair against tanks (our bane) i always choose the unusual spec some advise would be appreciated

Enjoying being hit for 4k by a leap.

So pvp is currently balanced right ok......... those 6k mauls spammed 2x by 3 shadows wont drop anyone in seconds or those "working as intended" pt's are still viable or what about a 3x healer team where would the challenge be 3x sage would be impossible to kill with the immunity bubble it would be imba also who on earth wouldn't take certain classes i think ranged would suffer as a whole how would a immobile turret class fair in a pillar hugging match? Not very well ranked hasn't started so i doubt arenas will come anytime soon.

Simple reason bolster is needed is due to : No recruit gear if they kept bolster out we'd be back to recruit which is like wearing paper in a fight against a dragon made of machine guns. Also the main reason bolster is needed and i cannot stress this enough Makeb does not gear your character for 55 it simply doesn't the drops are greens the items from makeb comms are level 53 and cost a load of comms there is no way to get to 55 and be geared in order to pvp without this bolster mechanic in the game. I think a system in which you can buy partisan at level 51 onwards would work with bolster removed from 55 pvp there would be no gear gap no issues everyone who wanted to pvp would be geared ready for 55. To sum up for those who don't want to read : makeb doesn't gear you enough and the gap would just get worse this is the EWH stomping recruit scenario again.

Champion and centurion shells seen as they have been updated with mods etc from base blues same with pve tionese etc agent gear was very nice it would allow a load of mix and matching. This should really be in general or suggestion box about old shells overall id like the 20 and 40 pvp gear also.

It doesn't help when half the cut scenes as a female are from the side off the bum with it in screen.

I agree somewhat some classes really come into their element at 51 they said the brackets where designed when people got the abilities they needed to become competitive but roll on a IA in general makes them a load more competitive same with sage shield. But then que times would be long and its lowbie pvp its not supposed to be 100% fair.

What spec is the best/worse atm i am level 39 and playing mm i know engineer was good pre 2.0 Any advice will be appreciated.

Don't forget their metrics

I agree i am playing a sniper atm but i was just thinking what is the op going to do with the ball solo? Pass it back what ground is gained? Not much quite frankly it is their only gap closer i do think the cost could be tweeked like the sorc's force regen where the cost scales or something but i don't know i think other things in pvp have bigger issues than this atm.