Heh, sorry. I am done. I actually didn't even want to talk about this on these forums. Mildly rude. Just hated to see misinformation spread. I am done. Back on track...........TOR is in trouble.

When I think of trinity, I think of it having to be done by diff people. 1 for heals, 1 for tank, 1 for damage. I think most do, though I could be wrong. Hence, no more trinity. How would one make a game where you didnt take or recieve damage?

I'm sorry. Please educate me. I thought it referred to you having a tank, a healer, and dps? Maybe that is the root of our whole disagreement. edit. I do agree with you that TSW( a beta im also in) is also doing work to get away from the trinity. Actually trying to do something new. Granted, apparently my understanding of the trinity is flawed, according to you. I personally just like GW2 better. A matter of taste. Ill give them both credit for actual innovation, like TOR was supposed to have.

You have to be trolling. There is no way you are that willfully ignorant. There is no damage mit role..... there is no healing role.....everybody does damage, and heals themselves...... boss mobs just bounce agro around most the time, so no tanks. Like I said, have to be trolling, nobody is that special. edit.. oops, sorry. caught your edit in my quote. edit faster!

lol, Ive been in beta too. For a while. You are not special..... I dont group, but I spend more time playing with other people than I ever have before, because I dont need to be grouped to share in all rewards. Another thing that is evolving. People help you out more on that game than Ive ever seen. There is no race for a node or a mob. I also play a melee dps that needs absolutely zero healing from another player. And there are no tanks.... odd. I guess there is not a trinity after all? If you play beta and think you need heals, then you are just not playing right, and need to learn the new style. You cant stand still and spam anymore. I dont buy spin, I play and make my own opinions. Sorry mine differ from yours, I guess that means Im just ignorant.

Wow, you could not be more wrong.

Oh look. You responded about GW2 stuff. I guess I can read after all.

Is English not your main language? I'm assuming not, because you have serious issues with reading comprehension. And you will keep responding to GW2 stuff, because you cant stand that something is better than your shiny, and you deep down know it. Even to the point of spreading misinformation. At least I hope you are purposely spreading false info, or that means you just don't get it, and that is sad. Special kind of sad. I like the touch of, "I know Im wrong, so Im just not going to discuss it anymore. Im taking my toys and going home."

The people who want trinity need to evolve. Its a dead system. "Oh noes, im responsible for my self and have to actually l2p and not be carried." Those are the people who wont like it. And I have yet to see anybody complaining about roles or grouping. It works amazingly. Are these complaints in your head? There is far FAR more cooperative play and community feeling there than any other game, ever. Because they made it about cooperation, not competition. I love how an MMO comes along that actually DOES take MMOs to the next level, evoles some, and then people complain that its not their same hand holding game.

You are very ill informed. Stop quoting articles. Everybody here knows those can be as flawed as any rumor. Get your info of the main page or not at all. It is in no way P2W. Gear comes from karma, a non purchasable non trad-able currency. The only things you can buy with gems/gold is cosmetics and convenience. You can even buy gems with in game gold if there is a silly cosmetic item you want but don't believe in buying with RL money. Stop spreading misinformation and educate yourself. Now, back on topic......

This is a very well thought out and written post. I agree 100%. At this point the best TOR can hope to do is stay alive and have enough subs to be mildly profitable. This game had so much potential, all squandered.

Head, I would like to introduce you to my friend Mr. sand.

This shows how far in the sand your head is. This is an MMO. If everybody leaves but you, you have no game. You should definitely care what other people think and what is pushing them away. Less subs = less game for you. Seems like common sense, but then again, I am constantly amazed at how uncommon some sense is.

This is really amazing. I have seen a ton of people saying this was the last straw, they are gone. Then there are the classic people saying "can i haz ur stuffs", being too ignorant to realize this many people leaving for a reason is indicative of a core problem with their beloved game, and it wont be around long even for the fanboys if it keeps hemorrhaging subscriptions. And yet not a peep from Bioware. Have they actually packed it in and given up? All it seems they do is make pretty videos promising new shiny stuff(that will be pushed back and full of bugs), and erase threads critical of them, while they ignore these huge issues.

This game is in way more trouble than will be admitted. Many people are just riding out their subs/free time and then they are gone. At least that is the case with 75% of my guild. In the next 2-3 months there will be another big drop in subscriptions. This game had so much potential. More than any game before, in my opinion. It has just been horribly, HORRIBLY, mismanaged. Every seemingly simple thing has turned into a major debacle. Even the server transfers(in reality mergers), were so mismanaged, it cost them a great deal of subscriptions. If you don't know what I'm talking about, get your head out of the sand.

This is now in my head as well. It pretty accurately describes them I think. Every seemingly minor thing turns into a complete debacle. Where did they get these people?

Your last sentence just described every system in the game. Oh, except fully voiced npcs!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That makes up for everything.

Very well said. Agree 100% Does Bioware care? Will they ever address this? Id wager not.

The dead servers were a symptom, not the problem. It will keep bleeding subs, until they fix the problem.

wrong and wrong

There is nothing to see here, move along.

Not very strong on the reading comprehension are you? A little special perhaps?

I have to agree with you. Same old system, that I think is just worn out for me. He has found a way to enjoy it, so good for him. I have played in a few betas for a new game that is actually different, and I find myself excited again. It is more of what I had hopes of TOR being. I will not name it, as I am not here to shill for it.

Why are you here bashing peoples rl just because they have differing opinions of a game than you? Nothing better to do IN GAME?

This is actually a good idea, and a much better reply than the usual fanboy "if you dont like it just like me then ****". Hats off to you sir.