^^^^ True Story. Thanx for the kind words HellHorn. Much appreciated my Dude.

No doubt. well Im heading home to be Wes,, A little daddy time. A little Wifey time. Snap a big bong load and put on my Mort hat later in the evening. Ill see you all later.. XOXO *****es. lol

And the freaking TROLL award goes to.... ^^^^^ this guy.. seriously bro. Who are you in game btw.. Step up and drop your toon name oh faceless troll of Ebon Hawk.. For real tho. grow a D or some Mammo's... what ever the case may be. and Really!! Why do you insist on re inciting an argument every time I or others attempt to diffuse a situation. Your no better than the accusations you make.

Didn't mean to offend anyone with the Kings and Pawns comment. Im an old school chess nerd and its a figure of speech meant to illustrate good bad or indifferent we all belong..

+1....

+1 totally understand. I hope that we can all move forward and really create a better PVP atmosphere on this server. It can be done. It will be people like us, who get on here and hash the **** out. Complain and call each other out. In the end.. the King and Pawns all go back into the same box, but we are all part of the same community. The time has long passed for us to bury the hatchets of our indiscretions.

Quote: It isn't a GG when you absolutely destroyed the other team and tell them GG, some people have yet to catch up on that point. What is a GG for one side is total rape for the other. IDK man.. I completely disagree. I was taught that win or lose you go shake hands and say GG. Period. If you don't,, your a sore *** loser, or an ******e. If I don't type GG at the end of a match its because im too baked to remember to do so. lol.

for sure.. I would guess its prob a little of both. I see that in any guild tho. Pax is HUGE.. mult games, titles and genres. For every 100 cool people there is always 1 D-bag that talks some ****, trolls, or other douche move. Hell Ive even been that person on occasion. I use Pax not to slander them in anyway, just because its an example of a guild with a pretty upstanding reputation. Just as much as I like to win, I like to be competitive.. Guerilla is about being as competitive as possible. For me I sacrificed guildies I loved for fulfillment in PVP.. That **** weighs heavily on my conscience, and I alone have to live with that. It may not be for you or anyone else, but for me... I want to surround myself with other like minded people. get as cohesive as possible and fine tune tactics.

For me it was about a cohesive PVP experience. Rolling with them made me feel as tho I had a roll to play other than being a mobile training dummy. I still kite and such as part of my Sorc Healz roll, but not as my primary objective. Naturally synergy leads to facetomps, and how is that competitive you ask? Well,,, Being competitive starts with team dynamic. Bull ******** on Speak channels and knowing what others are and are supposed to be doing. Regardless of the competition, I want to be the best Sorc I can be. At this time, its playing as objectively as possible and developing a good team dynamic. In this case with PVP centric people. Win or lose that is my goal. Furthermore, I don't understand why other Republic guilds don't consolidate into meta PVP guilds too then? I spent a long while trying to fight this process and making every excuse about how being the underdog was cool.. etc etc. For some it may be. Hey its your 15$. For me, it became clear that Competition is not just about facestomps. Its about doing the best you can, and taking your game to the highest possible level. That simply wasn't going to be possible in an RP-PVE guild.

Ok, so I have been reading through this thread for about 10-15 mins now. I must say,,, As a the social butterfly I am, it may be in my best interest to stay in the cocoon on this one. However, as the Bi Polar belligerent stoner that the rest of you know.... I simply cant. lol. As you may know, I am now with Guerilla. This has given me a unique insight, as I have now participated on both side of this coin. Ill say that the feeling in Guerilla's mumble is about as close to any other guilds as Ive participated in. Despite what people may think, No one is talking ****. Well at least about other players. (I talk more **** about **** than any of you anyway. So much so that I cant even keep my **** straight sometimes. lol).. The majority of the conversations are dictated by tactical discussions and debates about gearing. And yes rambling about unrelated ****. As far as Mort getting Poached. I pretty much went out and asked to be poached. So is that poaching.. uggh. IMO... no. I did roll for several hours with Bay and a few of his buddies. After many WZs of epic facestomps I inquired about the state of PVP guilds. I expressed to him that I was interested in becoming involved in a more competitive guild and asked if he had any suggestions. The rest is history Pax is a TREMENDOUS community.. I have nothing by great things to say about all of them. I love and respect the friends I made there, and it was with a heavy heart that I made the decision to leave. There are people that continue to be my friends on facebook, and if Im ever in their neck of the woods, I will make every attempt to get a beer with. The truth is Pax is not a PVP oriented community, and at this time in my MMO experience I want a PVP guild. .... RE: QQ and Trollolo I Think this is whats happened: Early on Great players grouped up with other great players. People got facestomped. They QQ'd and threw around accusations. Some members responded by lashing out with an even greater resolve. If you back people in a corner with allegations and haterorade, some will fold to the fetal position, others will come out biting, kicking, and smashing face. I was on the Stompee side of this debate for months. Honestly It MADE ME A BETTER PLAYER. Had these dudes not kicked my teeth in night after night. I would still be that clicky Sorc with his feet glued to spot casting **** until it was time to respawn again. Earlier in this thread it was stated that Guerilla/GG don't care for the community and have only put on 1 event, only because they were called out.. This is both true and false. Truth: They only hosted a Tourney because they were called out.. This is true only because they lacked a player who was interested in organization of such events. Some people lack the motivation and or mind set to put things like this together. Its tough, it takes a lot of effort and you have to WANT to do it. Call someone out enough and they will eventually bend, unless there Ghandi or some ****. False: In my experience Guerillas do care about the community. They know enough about each of you to focus those who are dangerous and play objectives. There really isn't a bunch of **** talk like "player X is garbage". Its more.. Oh Player X is in here. They are pretty good. Don't let them free cast. I havnt met everyone in the guild yet So there may be exceptions, but that goes for any guild. My experiences with them have all been positive. After all, If you all quit PVPing who will we have to play with? ...... anyway... Look for that to change. I derive great pleasure from a strong community interaction within a PVP genre. I will be taking a personal responsibility in organizing server events and make every effort to diffuse the bad blood.. Its just what I enjoy doing. No other reason than that. If however, you just want to continue to hate and be angry.. then go **** yourself. and have a nice day

I would be all for it. Depending on cost of course. I really on have 2 toons I pvp with anyway. Although I really don't want the rest of my money making crafters on a separate server. So yea.. depending on cost. otherwise ill prob re roll, or send over just one. RE: where.. I don't really care. Where ever the majority goes I suppose. Any thoughts on starting an Ebon Hawk guild over there?.. Doesn't have to be named that, just a thought.

didn't expect one /smile

lol.. I bet.

Except it makes you look like a total douche spamming Guild recruitment on the general forum. Theres a place for that,, I suppose your right. free world and all, but it does appear as though your saying.. "oh look at me.. we are the best guild ever, we are so cool, in fact we arnt restricted by things such as etiquette and community awareness. We have a complete disregard for guidelines and have no need to bother ourselves with reading. Join us, we really are that cool" or.. "please take your time to laugh at us because we are freaking clueless."

Shouts to Rytan... Great Peels dude. Because of your awesomesauce, I was finally able to break a million and went for 1390 HPS. Truly a personal best and couldn't have done it with out your tank skillz. TY bro.. +1millon

Ok so I couldn't resist. Don't get me wrong,, its a great idea. Raising awareness DOES help a cause. The squeaky wheel get the grease dude. something like that right? BUT>>>Let me get this straight, Your evil, D-Bag toon, who likes to troll and cares little if any for others, is changing his lightsaber crystal in observance of National Autism awareness day? Yet a shiny example of the lack of OOC and IC separation. So when you have the blue crystal in, we are to assume you are not RPing? I wouldn't normally call a dude out like this,, well maybe I would.. lol.. Given our convo yesterday, I felt it was only fitting to bring this little discrepancy to light. Anyway, I saw a DarkAsylum Premade in lowbies last night. An Alderann Civil War. Good Times.. Did any of the toons happen to be your alts? Im pretty easy to spot. After all my toons name is Mort'anya

Further more, Im not gonna get in a pissing war with you about who has a bigger portfolio. I do want to make it clear tho... If you are RPing cool.. But I am not.. So when you emote **** and its supposed to be IC.. I don't give a crap. It pisses people off an makes you look like and *** hat.

It is Roleplaying. However,,, Myself and a vast majotity of others are not RPing, especially in PVP. If you want to RP then find a group of people who wish to do so. Acting out a fantasy that is in stark contradiction with your RL person can be a healthy outlet. So +1,, good thing right?!? But... You are RPing with people who have no idea your Rping. So naturally we react negatively. Why is it so difficult to understand that I just think your an *** hat then. Quit dragging unsuspecting players in, and just try and be Mr. Fortune 500 father of 6. Here let me be even more arrogant and quote myself FTW... Basically ^^^ that's assault unless she is a willing participant. You cant go around verbally Donkey punching people, then cry how it was all in good RP fun when people get pissed.

your right I cant stop myself.. Cant you see im on freaking roll dude. !!!.. lol hahahahahaa

At the least I don't hide behind RP when I act like a complete *** hat. I have the decency to say, "Hey, Im going to break out the arrogant douche bag right now, and it has nothing to do with IC"

Enough to have successfully trolled you. Perhaps this gives you insight as to how I feel when someone /spits on me or says vulgar derogatory BS in Game, only to then Hide behind RP. FYI... I don't RP, but given the opportunity to project some the negativity you promote in game, back at your OOC is priceless. TY dude.

Impression: (TLDR) There is a lack of OOC and IC separation, and it has negatively impacted your position within the community Establishing a separation of RL and IC should be your top priority, should you choose to resolve the conflict. You cant very well blame people for becoming upset at you when they believed you are just trolling them. IE: Donkey punching your GF after a love making session, without informing her you were interested in some Christian Grey fantasy **** is just inviting conflict and unfair to all parties involved.

Yea maybe carebear was is the wrong definition. I like "Gangster of Love" its the caption under my profile pic on our Pax forums and seems to fit well.

Ah yes the RP quandary. This does present quite the dilemma. Im sure you are all a bunch of really cool, down to earth Peeps. The Concept of RP is new to me. This is my fist MMO, as Im an FPS / 3rdPS(Gears of War) type, so when someone talks that kind of ****, I see it as fighting words. So Ill prob get trolled like crazy now. Having said that, I often get confused with what is OOC and IC. Personally /spit and other more colorful emotes are a bit excessive for your everyday interactions. you have a rectum, but does that give you the right to defecate in you competitors dug out? If its IC then maybe yes?!? More importantly, you say this is a game and not to get worked up.. Yet... There seems to be a lot of animosity and defensive behavior in this thread. Im confused now,, Are you IC in game when your trolling people, but OOC on these threads when someone calls you out on your D-Bag IC?

While I wont pretend that Im 100% sure who your talking about..... LOLZ Nadir.. just LOLZ... SHE speak the TRUTH tho. Then again im the PVP carebear. So Sportmenship and conduct are most important above all else for me.