I notice you still did not list any of the missing "end game" content WoW has the SWTOR does not have.... Again hitting level cap in WoW means: 1) You do heroics to gear for raids 2) You raid for the best gear you can get 3) You PvP for the best gear you can get How is hitting level cap in SWTOR any different? What end game content do they not have? EDIT: Also...why wouldnt they make a game to make money....afterall they make money -> they make improvements to the game -> I enjoy the game more -> Thet get more money -> more improvements -> enjoyment -> money -> improvments -> guess what comes next?

Every company is going to say their games is the best...and they will shout it whenever they can...its good business. Just saying. As a final fantasy fan I know that every game they come out with they are going to hype the best they can. Doesnt mean I will but every one though and expect every one I do by to litereally reinvent the gamge genre.

Except they are not... You really telling me a Merc healer is the same as a PT tank? No its not...heck a SIA madness spec playes totally differently than a SISorc madness spec.

I am not going to convince you of anything.....just trust me on this.... Yea...how about no? If you cant come up with these many many things....that is because there isnt any. Heroics, Raids/Ops, and PvP are what comprise the endgame of most if not all MMOs. WoW and SWTOR are no different.

Uhh...last I checked resolve does give CC immunity...at least to stuns and disorentes and stuff like that. Knockbacks as well. It is always fun having a full Resolve bar in huttball and watch as foes try to knock you off to no avail. Honestly though...I dont get the problem works fine for me. Eat the first CC Once the second CC comes and fill resolve pop CC breaker Profit.

I am glad you know people who know people.... The fact is though that you are not counting the people who are liking this game and getting their friends to join and their friends get other friends to join and so on.... Given the current rise in subs it seems as though you and your friends are a bit outnumbered. BTW how do you know for a "fact" that they have been hurt?

WoW Endgame content: Heroics Raids PvP SWTOR endgame content: Heroics Ops PvP Am I missing something?

At 20? Not really....most classes dont get their main skills till level 25/30. In addition I dont understand the hype you are talking about...seems to me that since subs are on the rise people are quite pleased with the game.

This as well. I think after 3 years of WoW people are under the assumption that you can only progress in an MMO via x-pacs. And since SWTOR will not have an x-pac anytime soon, people think the story we have now is it. They can/will patch in more story as time goes on people...

Not really As I said before, they couldnt just port features over from WoW into SWTOR cause the mechanics of the game are different. Also the features take time to build and implement in the system. Things like LFD tool takes a bit of time to create....thus they couldnt do it at launch. Seeing as how their subs are rising I think they are doing quite a good job at competing... No SWTOR will not kill WoW...again nothing will. But I would not be shocked to see SWTOR as a cosistent #2 in the MMO charts perhaps shooting into #1 after its had the 7years to mature WoW has had. This coming from a guy who playes both and has an 85 of every class in WoW.

Again...I dont see where people are getting this. In WoW (firstly there is no story in WoW in the sense that SWTOR has) after you hit level cap you can: Run Heroic Run Raids Run PvP In SWTOR after you hit level cap you can: Run Heroics Run Ops Run PvP What about it is self terminating?

The Hutt Cartels do not that that big of a role in the movies. Most people who are not SW junkies know all their SW lore from the movies and thus the Empire and Republic were obvious choices.

So I just visited the smuggler trainer on Nar Shaada and I saw it was a female Twi'Lek I thought "Hey....I never heard the girl smuggler trainer's lines" Much to my surpise I clicked on her and I hear in a very deep manly voice: "Need advice. I'm your guy" I was like "WHAAAAAAAAAT?" Seriously this female male Twi'Lek just creeped me out by having the male smuggler trainer's voice and lines..... It was just....creepy.

My my my someone is a bit angry.... What are the little things to you? To me being able to que for WZa any time anywhere is awsome. Getting XP from something other than just PvE questing is a welcome feature We have transmog in the way of Item mods...something WoW JUST came out with We have a psudo LFG tool like WoW had in BC and soon we will get a full fleged one I dont really have any complants other than chat bubbles... I find it odd you can look at a game that has been out less than a year and say it is doomed to fail.

There are lots of things SWTOR has that WoW did not have untill 1-2 X-pacs later. In addition it seems they are pushing content like LFD tools out pretty quickly...much quicker thant WoW did. So your compaison there is invalid tbh. In addition games =/= car companies. SWTOR even with its similarities is VASTLY different from WoW in terms of mechanics. Thus it cannot just port features from WoW over to SWTOR and assume they will work like clockwork. It takes time to refine them and implement them in a way that fits with SWTOR not just WoW.

How is this any less of an MMO than wow? You can group up to do quests You can group up to do FPs/Ops/WZs You can group up and do just about anything you want Or you can solo IF YOU CHOSE Again...how is this any less of an MMO

(Copied from my other thread, ignore the typos...running on low energy ) So I know the potentional firestorm this may be stirring so I will try to be as clear as possible. It seems as if BW is planning to introduce gay romances at somepont. Fine ok it is their game. However as a striaght player I was wondering...would this limit my conversation options with my guy companions. ATM each converstaion seems to have at most 3 options. Currently if a companion is romancable one or more of the options will be a flirt option. Thus we have 1 flirt and 2 non flirt options....pretty decent imo. Now....if companions were allowed to have gay romances would that then limit my options for conversations with male companions? Currently I have 3 non flirt options with a male companion (Usually "I see your point" / "What else do you know" / "Get the heck out of here you pile of worthless -bleep-" ) If gay romances are implemented would that then limit my options to 2 non flirt and 1 flirt option? I feel this is kinda limiiting. I know that gay players may currently feel this way, but the solution to a problem is not to spread it to everyone. Now a real simple solution would be to just keep the current say Male to Male converstaions as they are and simply add the fourth flirt option, however I was just wondering on anyone elses feelings on this? I know some just dont care and only play for FPs/Ops/WZs and to heck with anything else (which is fine its your 15) so to those that do like to delve a little or lot into the story what do you think about this?

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So I know the potentional firestorm this may be stirring so I will try to be as clear as possible. It seems as if BW is planning to introduce gay romances at somepont. Fine ok it is their game. However as a striaght player I was wondering...would this limit my conversation options with my guy companions. ATM each converstaion seems to have at most 3 options. Currently if a companion is romancable one or more of the options will be a flirt option. Thus we have 1 flirt and 2 non flirt options....pretty decent imo. Now....if companions were allowed to have gay romances would that then limit my options for conversations with male companions? Currently I have 3 non flirt options with a male companion (Usually "I see your point" / "What else do you know" / "Get the heck out of here you pile of worthless -bleep-" ) If gay romances are implemented would that then limit my options to 2 non flirt and 1 flirt option? I feel this is kinda limiiting. I know that gay players may currently feel this way, but the solution to a problem is not to spread it to everyone. Now a real simple solution would be to just keep the current say Male to Male converstaions as they are and simply add the fourth flirt option, however I was just wondering on anyone elses feelings on this? I know some just dont care and only play for FPs/Ops/WZs and to heck with anything else (which is fine its your 15) so to those that do like to delve a little or lot into the story what do you think about this?

During the quest "The Shadow Arsenal" I found that I could not crouch or take cover ANYWHERE in the zone area? Even on flat even ground it would not let me crouch it would just say "Unknown Effect Result" The only time I could take cover is if there was an actual object that I could "roll into cover" with. However that was not always the case with certain mobs in there and thus made the quest very annoying as a sniper.

--SPOILERS--- So during your time playing your class/classes when are some moment where you decied to go against your alighment or affection gain? For example have there ever been times where even though you are trying to be darkside you just couldnt go through with doing a dark side action? Or perhapse you were trying to gain affection with a companion but at time decied to go against that for certain responses, or flirt with someone else even though you know it is a loss in affection. Personally: During the BH quest on Alderaan when you have to talk to the jerk to get some info. He basically bad mouths you calling you scum and such. At one point he says that if you do a baby task of delivering a letter then he MAY give you the info. At that point I decided that even though I try to be lightside this guy just pissed me off so I beat him.....twice (once more when he told me to prostrate myself...). And it felt goooood.

Is there any talk about letting up replace the color crystals on PvP sabers. As it stands now Crafting skill like Artifice dont really do much in the way of PvP advancment at 50 since you cant cutomize your saber. Even if it was just for looks with no stat improvment it would be nice.

Pretty vauge if you ask me. Whats to say that the dark side option is there to simply give you dark side points? Again if I had know that my alighment or the actions I took in previous quests are what determines her alightment I would have proceeded differently. I would think a different way such as there being one final choice (kill Kaar or Dont) would make it a much clearer situation.

Even more of a reason to change that imho. Like I said just change it so there is a specific action you do that makes her that way.