Yea gear makes a nice difference. Also just use the warzone adrenals for 15% dmg and 15% damage reduction.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/Jackman1118/Screenshot_2012-02-01_19_00_21_564208.jpg I heard 690k, 300k higher than the next was heavy dps.. I might be wrong.

I didnt call for a nerf in the OP, I said we are right now the best burst class in the game hands down. That is the purpose of this thread, to show people that when played correctly we are probably the best class in the game because of our burst for pvp. Best burst classes usually get nerfed, see operative for an example. And above all, you are bad and should stop while you are not ahead. Its cool, you dont like that I'm about 10x better than you, and thats fine, but dont act like you know anything when you couldnt even tell it was a 5 minute game. reading comprehension is nice, you should try it.

assuming full focus? assuming full focus, a focus gaurdian will bring down a 400 expertise smuggler to 0% with jump, exhaust, sweep, blade storm.

yes to arena.

notice where they are on focus tree. now notice where they are on vigiliance tree. location matters a whole lot more, because we could have something useful there instead.

you just now realized master strike is pointless in pvp? yay you figured out why vigiliance is inherently broken!

I dont give two ducks about getting gear from arena. I want my team name plus its members names (namely mine) being displayed prominently when people queue for arena. Basically a top ten list where you need to press "queue for arena" is what I want and what I care about. gear is pointless, the hardcores know they will have any and all the gear done within a month if not sooner. I want rankings!

I use the crit and surge relic because it gives me 10% more crit, which when used with stasis, exhaust, or blade storm is a big help. Also battlemasters dont use biochem adrenals, we use red buff adrenal because its 15% base damage and 15% base damage reduction. Power is nice as well, probably going to be using power relic from the battlemaster stuff once my 5/5 gear has +crit +surge on it. I am at 90% base surge now so I will probably buy the power relic once I buy my bm pants.

they dont work, but any self heal can give you the medal. My break cc on a gaurdian as focus spec CAN get 5k medal if it crits, I pop rakata medpac, have all tank gear on (so my base hp is about 20-21k) and have the 15% expertise buff(yea it does affect that heal for some reason) and enure on. so basically I have to do everything possible and hope for a crit, but my 2.5k one comes every single game without any of these buffs. Not sure what troopers do, hopefully they can explain.

the match lasted about 2.5 mins for us to cap, 2.5 minutes for them to not get past door number 1 ... can you beat my 500k posted screenshot on a full time map? 150k over the next highest? Wait, you mean you didnt realize that and thought that everyone in the warzone did 150k damage over the entire duration? derp. How do you even know my rotation, never have I said what buttons I press in order, only guidelines. I like your attempt to be super awesome at this game, now prove it or stay forever unknown. Also, this post is about the crazy burst gaurdians have, and to inform those who do not know that we are the best burst class once operatives are nerfed. Hell we may even be the best burst class once they are nerfed. ONE SKILL has the potential to do 7k damage, oh and that one skill is also aoe.

Really solid points about vigiliance utility that I have not noticed, however it is very clear neither of us play the others spec. exhaust is on a 18 second cooldown, meaning you can exhaust->sweep->stasis->sweep->exhuast->sweep. 3 sweeps in 30 seconds all fully buffed. every minute. and zealous leap can easily jump from every ledge that is only one above it. Meaning I can jump from the middle platform to the top platform, but not from the bottom of the pit to the top. Added with the speed buff makes it very good at running the ball in. Maybe not nearly as difficult to kill with all the damage reduction, but speed is very handy. also about the ball up point, do you play alderaan? They have to be on the platform if they are attacking or defending, and sweep pretty much covers the entire thing. Also it comes down to skill if you cant get your sweep to be pretty much a 90% thing to hit. Sweep still applies damage if you use it before you get knocked back, even though the animation may not go off or even goes off when you are in the pushed back position.

ah, but this is based on the assumption we are single target burst. 2 focus gaurdians with any other 2 classes will always beat 2 vig gaurdians with the same two others in a 4v4. Its not even close. Also, Gaurdians can burst every 9 seconds, that means two gaurdians can AoE burst every 9 seconds in 27 seconds out of a minute long cooldown. Its not one every 10 seconds. its 2 every 10 seconds. I find that my movement speed buff is actually more useful than unremetting because you WILL get stunned twice in a row, and a resolute (which heals you for about 3k in focus, another great utility vig misses) plus a zealous leap = score every time. The only thing remitted does is give you protection from instant knock backs, so jumping on respawns works well.

no i c wut u r doing here. because 18/2 = 9? So you could get 3 fully charged back to back to back in 27 seconds every minute? oh wait we will take math posts one at a time.

melee damage is pointless, so i'd take out points in the mastery and put them into making sunder give you another focus point. other then that looks solid. the only melee damage you should be using is sunder, saber throw, both leaps and dispatch.. your main damage is coming from sweep, stasis, exhaust, blade storm, push. also I find stagger to be very useful.

What? I just want buffs, because our class clearly cannot spam sweep on a 9 second cooldown. Or have it be the highest burst damage in the game. I mean we need all the help we can get!

Agree, we needs buffs so crazy. I propose singularity give a 200% damage increase to make our class actually do damage. this is crazy how weak gaurdians are!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/Jackman1118/Screenshot_2012-01-25_19_14_18_504220.jpg ya ur right. buff us please! I think with a buff I could do about 300k more damage then the next guy. that would be fair.

pre 1.1 is really cool looking. too bad those numbers no longer exist. no points for winning 3v1's vs level 11's and 25's. stopped watching after that.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/Jackman1118/Screenshot_2012-01-25_19_14_18_504220.jpg oh and that 6.8k crit? how about after the nerf and be pure damage. (no overkill look at my big yellow number. this damage actually took it all off the bar.) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/Jackman1118/Screenshot_2012-01-23_22_08_25_736436.jpg WUTLOL

No. I like my battlemaster chest.. why does it need a cape? Am I super man?

because cooldown reduction, armor pen, and more focus are slightly less damage.. and nice screenshot pre 1.1. Really shows you are here for a serious debate. what it comes down to is you save your healer by making the fight last longer. I save my healer by killing them faster. Choose your path. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/Jackman1118/Screenshot_2012-01-25_19_14_18_504220.jpg heres a nice screenshot taken today. Not even remotely possible in soresu form, but hey you can probably get 70k protection instead?

Just keep lying to yourself that you are bad because of your class. It may not be a true stunlock, but you can cause them to have no control over there character before they are dead with good timing. But what would I know.

umm.. lol. if by more damage you mean 40% less (30% bonus to sweep gaurdians get, and 10% from vindicator set for 5 seconds after every jump, and force push resets jump) then yea I agree. But nice try. If you are using soresu as a focus gaurdian you are a idiot. woohoo + defense when all yellow damage goes unmitigated through it.. but you can sure pwn those snipers. Oh man a 5% defense buff to another target so you can get killed with them? how way more useful than gaurdian leap and aoe taunt. get real screenplay.

well the surge adrenal gives about 10% crit multiplier bonus... the red buff gives 15% more damage... and you take 15% less damage.. The point is the fact that we can even get that high. its crazy compared to any other class.. even in the perfect storm scenario I dont see classes bursting for that amount of damage ever.