1.2 was supposed to be the rabbit out the hat patch.... Does no one remember that? Am I all alone? Hello? Is this thing on?

Yes but nested within what you quoted lies a single statement that invalidates your entire point: " We’re in internal testing on the major features right now,..."

Maybe they're busy with their 'internal testing' of 1.3 as Joveth said in the DevTracker recently.... *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* Bob's yer uncle.

One could even argue that Turbine has managed to do so without earning the ire of fans of an IP more possibly beloved than Star Wars. LOTRO was a GREAT game and the only real reason I quit was I got tired of swords and sorcery. But even then, they did QUITE a lot different than WoW (for still being a WoW clone).

Lol, so the BW devs are too busy playing D3 to fix THEIR game? I hadn't considered that and now that I have... HILARIOUS.

Which makes perfect sense until you realize, why in the HELL would another MMO company waste money to hire people to infiltrate a competitor's forums? *IF* that was capable of bringing down a game, then the game was weak to begin with. But seriously.... do you really think a decent product can be de-railed by 'an army of trolls'? Are we all Anonymous or something?

I think the 1.3mill subscriber number is VERY soft. And I DO think they'd close it before they go F2P. Just my opinion.

I think a significant portion of the 1.3million 'remaining' subs are actually people who've bought a larger time block than a simple month. They've cancelled but still have XX days left (I have 80 or something). We've all witnessed BW split hairs on the numbers before (Let's hand out 30 days free. James Ohlen: "We have not seen a reduction in subscriptions". 2 weeks later: EA:"We've lost 25%") I'm more than certain that they consider these still 'active'.

Copy of Guildwars2: $59 Cost to transfer SWTOR character between servers: $5-$25 Cost of walking away from this turd in a punchbowl of a game as subscriptions continue to fall amid lack of feedback/interaction with Devs: Priceless

And apparently Hulk Hogan frequents these forums along with John Madden...

It won't go F2P. They'll just close it like they did Earth & Beyond.

So in conclusion: Warhammer: Check. Star Wars: Check. Any other rich, beloved IP's you guys can ruin?

Money talks and bullspit walks. And he be a-walkin'.....

Can it be saved? Yes. Will it be saved? No. I had high hopes for Warhammer Online... I mean Star Wars:The Old Republic.

This has to be THE best troll I've seen on the official forums.

For some reason, the idea that BW are ALSO bad photoshoppers amused me to no end.

Yeah, I see that a lot too. And I hear "kite them!". What, ALL FREAKING 6 OF THEM?

I would agree. I levelled a Assassin to 50 before I realized, I just didn't care for the playstyle. I was intrigued by the story. And, I had discovered I REALLY liked the way PowerTech played on an alt. So I levelled that to 50. Neither of these characters did any pvp prior to 50. I got into lev50 pvp and got pwned. But, I got my tokens and whatnot and I started building pvp gear. As I watched pvp, particularly huttball, I noticed something unique to SWTOR pvp. Namely, the number of knockbacks/downs/ups, CC's, snares, etc. All things that interrupted long cast times. I noticed the vaunted 'grav-round spammer' was actually QUITE easy to beat on my PT. All I had to do was interrupt his long cast and he would 5h17 himself. So, I looked at the various healing classes and I noticed that the Operatives heals were largely instant cast. Can't be interrupted. They were also HoTs. While hots aren't good for spike dmg specifically, once I got them on, I didn't need to stay alive to 'keep helping' my team. I could HoT up some team mates, TRY to stay alive, but if I didn't, I still healed them. I levelled this operative. I did 10-49 pvp every chance I got..... AND I LOVED IT. I started getting MVP votes. I started seeing the ebb and flow of various WZ's and I saw the various strategies and so on. This made me BETTER. I hit 50 on him right when 1.2 hit. I dutifully went and bought recruit gear, equipped it and queued. Focus'd, dead. Hm... ok, well, maybe I should hold off on throwing my heals, let my teammates grab everyone's attention and then start tossing out the hots...., hm... my team mates are dying WAY fast.... Hell, I can't keep ANYONE UP. That's how it went. So I tried the PT. Recruit armor, IronFist build, which, before 1.2, was a SOLID pvp build. Nuked in 3 GCD's while stunned/cc'd. Honestly, I ENJOY the 10-49 pvp bracket. I specifically DON'T level chars to 50 now if I want to pvp on them. 10-49 is NOT gear dependent. I mean, sure the bolster system works off your stats so you want good gear, but it's nowhere NEAR the disparity of the recruit vs BM vs WH gear of lev50.

And THAT'S something ArenaNet got right from THE VERY beginning in GW. Gear.Doesn't.Matter. Skill, build, technique, teamwork, etc DOES.

But I'm not a 'non-dedicated' mmo player. I've been with them from pre-purchase, early access, and am still active. But I'm approaching my 'breaking point'. As my server pop declines, I feel an inversely proportional LACK of desire/reason to log in. It literally disheartens me to see others disheartened. I really do think it's a downward spiral. It's accelerated by a perception, valid or not, that BW thinks it's *MY* fault. Or *YOUR* fault. IT'S THEIRS.

Oh, they'll SEE it But they won't care...

CCP is a TEXTBOOK example of a company that had a passion for their game, building a rapport with their customers/users, getting a little egotistical, making idiotic changes, angering the user community... AND THEN REALIZING THEY WERE KILLING THE SACRED COW AND BACKING THE @#$% OFF FROM PUSHING THEIR AGENDA AND ONCE AGAIN MAKING A PRODUCT THE USERS WANTED TO CONSUME.

And you lost me....

I'll bite.... I'll agree, it's objective based, team oriented PVP. My teams objective seems to be to watch me get focus'd by 5 or 6 other players, then yell at me because I'm dead and can't heal them. "Well, that's what you get for playing with baddies" or "make some friends/join a guild" are then thrown in my face. I am in a guild and I DO have friends. And the three of us can't carry the other 5 and my 2 friends, can't kill 5 or 6 other people fast enough to keep me alive. You all keep blaming 'us' the 'baddies' for server populations being low and consistently coming up against the same "big kids stomping thru the kiddie pool" that occurs on my primary server, Corellian Run. I can't remember the name of the empire guild, but there's one that spends nearly every evening que-ing pre-mades. When that happens, the rest of us stop que'ing. They finally wised up and instead of wtfbbqfishstixpwning us and instead farm us. Yes, they're all running around in WarHero gear, most of us are in mixed recruit/BM gear. Yes, they're head and shoulders better than us and they outgear us by miles. AND THAT'S NOT MY FAULT. It's BW's fault for failing to deliver on the promise of ranked WZ's in 1.2. It's BW's fault for sweeping class changes without sufficient testing/user feedback. It's BW's fault for a host of other things that have resulted in a 25% decline in subs, meaning the pool from which to draw players to compete against becomes smaller and smaller, increasing the odds that my average pvp skills and craptactular pvp gear is going to go up against 2 x 4man premades from the PVP Elite club wearing WarHero gear. That dis-incentivizes me from participating in pvp. Lack of a LFG tool and again, decreased server population, means I can't run PVE stuff instead. And so, with nothing to do, Joe User cancels his subscription to go play D3 or wait for GW2... But it's all *MY* fault and in no way is BW responsible. At all. Which is true when you realize, I have only myself to blame for believing BW would actually deliver on their promises when they repeatedly have let me/us down.

This is the way I feel. The two servers I play on were previously in the Top 10 of populated servers. Now, not so much. And, unfortunately, it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Those of us that ARE continuing to play see a decline in overall population and have a harder time finding people to do things with. Which causes some of us to give up and move on to other things. Which causes the population to decline further, which causes those continuing to play to have a harder time finding people to do things, and so on and so on and so on, ad naseum. Server Merges will come too late. It's already too late. Good for those of you on high pop servers not feeling this pain. Yes, I could re-roll, but why? I already feel punished and dis-incentivized by BW's handling of the situation to continue to support them.