Ya, i agree with this too, and not because im the OP. Its because nothing has really changed much for assassins. Yes we got a really cool teleport. Yes we have recklessness up more now with re stealth and combat exits. Static charges went from 4 max to 3 max. A few talents changed, definitely. But the play style? not so much. Ive been playing since launch, played every patch, and i still have the same playstyle, just with the new abilities like stealth added in, and more recklessness uptime. As for the person who said you were a necromancer, i can understand his/her point of view, this thread if def old school, and i dont really wanna update it since dulfy pretty much covers everything there is on it now, and her guides are colorful and coded, and most importantly have a table of contents haha. Only thing i dont like, is that dulfys guides are more aimed at pve.

Its not really your fault. I spent hours on this back in the day and helping people in game. Got hate from a handful of people and their hate wasn't constructive. Im also unsure of what "thread necromancy" means, seeing as necromancy means talking to the dead.

Thank you captain obvious. This thread was made at launch, because people kept spamming maul all day, and this was supposed to stop people from doing that... Its stated in the beginning there was an UPCOMING update for 1.4.1. Its now past 2.0. Congratulations on figuring that out. I personally still play deception (at least for pvp) and nothing old changed, just a few new things that, as you said, dulfy covers.

its because hes actually a really good healer. seriously, next time you see him, see how long it takes. He knows how to play, so regardless of his elitist attitude, people will play with him if it means they get healed, and there is a higher chance of winning with a skilled healer on your team. That was my original point.

sorry, kinda hard to tell with text.

Cant be. Churb actually heals well and plays objectively with his premades. Maod camps mid and puts up high numbers, but doesnt do **** for objectives. Plus, churb always has a team of people gaurding/healing him, meaning people actually play with him, i cant think of anyone who can stand maods childish attitude for more than 10 minutes.

ya but churbs actually a good player.....so its kinda different.

Ya, Dark Jesters are a lot nicer than people make them out to be. Its guildies like maod who give the guild a bad name. Such a shame.

Hey Maod, thats pretty funny cause i was pvping with getzeitzu today and he told me about how he beat you by 100-300k every match and then you had to ask him how to min/max your class, so how can you be the best when you have to beg real pvpers like getz to hold your hand? And the GM never yelled at gage, i was listening over skype, they had a chat about you and your inappropriate behavior, and how despite the fact we all treated you nicely, and even put up with your ego for multiple matches, you treated us like crap. I honestly tried to be nice, i like giving people that chance, but some people like yourself cant seem to just chill out and enjoy swtor. Its a video game dude, get with the program. P.S quadruple means multiplied by 4, so unless you pull 1.2 mil on average a match, you need to go over your 3rd grade math again. I havent even seen people like sage'optimus pull that much yet.

Thats because hes a scrub, and he refuses to duel people who he knows will kick the **** out of him. tried being nice to that guy, but he pretty much just spit it in my face. I wanna see him duel gage, that will be fun to watch

well thats just the thing, they made it harder, so only a few people are currently at 450, and reaping the benefits of making MK-9s. im on shadowlands and a few days back the cheapest MK-9s were up to 400k....each.....whoever levels the skill, gets to overcharge and enjoy the cash flow. Eventually people will catch on, learn how to do it, and it will be over, but for right now, let the gold rush continue

ive been playing deception almost exclusively since launch, and tried madness and darkness a few times, they dont nearly compare. A lot of deception assassins went madness pre-expac because it hit harder, i tried it, it hit alright, but it wasnt nearly as fun as deception. As decep your the stun monster, like the rogue of wow. Low slash, electrocute, spike, and then overload PLUS slow, makes us a very aggresive and annoying class. After deception got the new talent "electric ambush" ive been noticing people going decep with the expac. Im sure madness will get buffed again, or people will re roll darkness, apparently its still strong. Take your pick, but in my eyes, a real assassin plays deception, a lot more fast paced, and i hated having to place death field with my mouse, i strafe a lot. I can make a tank off set someday when i get full conqeuror, but as for now, decep is where its at for me.

Hey man, its pretty much exactly the same for deception. A few new talents and the teleport ability at level 51 is pretty much all thats new. Im still using: Voltaic x2 > recklessness > shock > discharge > low slash > maul (if procced) > rinse and repeat blackout for force regen overload for knockbacks electrocute as needed interupts (jolt) as needed spike for my stealth opener assasinate when they have low HP force speed as needed Force shroud/deflection as needed (deflection is just crap if your not a tank) Overcharge saber when a quick heal is needed and great for extra dmg All in all, its the same. The only difference is stuff like overcharge saber doesnt only heal the tanks now, but DPS can get a heal from it aswell. New talent "electric ambush" (5 row up, left side) = "While surging charge is active, recklessness has a 100% chance to build 3 static charges. additionally, exiting combat reduces the active cooldown of recklessness by 60 seconds" - That is golden, im so happy bioware gave us that, putting us up with a 4 piece set bonus to the 3 charges with that talent plus the additional one from the 4 piece set, giving us a total of 4 recklessness charges, and its almost always off CD now because im always going in and out of combat. its awesome. Now when you low slash or spike, you gain the maul proc automatically, its wicked awesome. They definitely gave us some buffs, and i see alot more deception than madness now (thank god), but i have a feeling people will pull towards darkness and madness eventually either way, madness is aparently really good with maxed gear. Cheers.

Why am i level 53 playing with level 30s? i swear, every match i get like 6 of them and they are basically running around like headless chickens, and me and the other 50 usually have to carry them. I do understand that if the bracket was 50-54, there wouldnt be enough people for queues, but at least make it 40-54, because in my experience level 40s were the better players back from 10-49, and i dont mind because they have more abilities, especially towards 45+, but a fresh level 30 is just so bad. And dont say "just get to 55" because i have multiple level 50s i need to level and i dont know how long i can put up with them. Again, this is just my opinion,but i feel like 10-39 and 40-54 brackets would be more comfortable, but thats just me.

This post right here. When the WH and EWH sets were implemented, people got gear based on the time they put into the game. If your a new 50 and your getting smashed by EWH juggs, and you got recruit on, your problem. Tough it out for a bit, or get some geared guildies to help you out. Chances were you would have some EWH people on your team too.