If you play right with Carnage, you can sustain that burst damage with massacre, if you can get undying rage and bloodthirst active you can drop 2 people. I can just about use massacre non stop with a full rage bar and the best part is you can use massacre on the run with an instant cool down, couple that with gore.... Carnage Marauders often have high kills, lower damage number (armor penetration) and without good healing maybe some deaths... I use Force Cameo to pull out of combat heal and come back for more, sometimes they hunt you down well, sometimes straggler and takes an oppertunity kill though... You cant play Carnage like Anhilation... I consider Carnage Mara's like Special Forces Skirmashers sent to harass the enemy.

5 seconds, if you're talking about Undying Rage.

^^^^ This

I dont know about other Mara/Sents... or really other classes... But I use 20 different keybinds... and im like doing it old school with a nomal KB and Mouse technically if I count a few other things I use 24 buttons... I aint super korean gamer athlete so it gets hectic for me sometimes. I play a Carnage Mara and I can tell you I dont have a group heal... and im pretty squishy... What I can do is get armor penetration and DPS someone down and kill them with less damage than others... So while others have 35 kills and 250K damage, I have 150 to 175K damage with equal kills...

Okay and then you will have to nerf all other classes that can pretty much sp. abiliteis... Like the Ops/Gunslinger cover, knock them out, instantly reusable or HOT, or about the shields, or grav rounds, or shields or knock back with locks.... You want to start disecting one ability? Cloak of pain is a 20% Dam Reduc, Damage shield that lasts 30 secs tops. BTW. Undying rage is 5 secs, if you stand around and go toe to toe over that, and dont do anything to counter, your fault. You cant cherry pick certain abilties...

you clearly do not understand about Mara's and Sent's... Your first line alone is false... Thats like saying assassins and sorcs have near infinate speed boost. 5 invunerabilites is 25 seconds at best and has a cool down (assuming you have 5 mara/sents), and the "jumps" are dependent on the opposing team being in place to jump too. TBH, the best team make ups that I have been on so far are the ones that are diverse with 2 or 3 healer types.

BTW you do know Mara/Sent ARE Sith Warriors right? The difference is one is Med Armor and the other is Heavy armor and one is SOLEY DPS focused where as Juggs are tank/DPS. So armor values for a Jug are 7K (or better) were a Mara is about 3.5K (or better) in armor value.

^^^ This! Couldnt say it better.... *tips hat* another option is run if they have force speed or something, after 5 seconds get back to it...

It still might be my imagination, but I have experienced a few times that made me go.. WhaTheWhattttttt I cant say for sure because I have not been looking for it... but a time or two I felt like I was extricated in to worse position in huttball. Discounted it as my imagination though...

I know right

Welcome to the world of the Mara, and you want a laugh, Mara's are OP too..according to some people. I wonder if people really wonder what its like to live in world of being snared or rooted almost 90% of the time LOL... Fact is, you have to live with it and adjust your strats... FYI some of your defense abilities can help mitigate some of that...

Since this is a complaint about Mara's and Sents... Other than a DPS specced Jug or Power tech (both tank classes with heavy armor mind you) What class do you propose do equivalent DPS too? The ranged DPS and Healing I can stun push pull everyone back classes? Or Sins that can stealth all over, knock back, etc?

LOL and people wonder why kids fail so badly in schools now a days....

God mode? Really? Ok Undying rage is 5 seconds of 99% damage reduc, with half the health being lost... They can still be stunned or CC'ed.. Lets be clear also... It seems that most people are complaining about Anhilation Mara's (not sure that the repub version is called).. I do Carnage personally (yes not optimal for pvp)... IRCC they are already doing a slight change to Anhilation Mara's I sometimes wonder if people dont come here to complain because their preferred class is getting "nerfed" in hopes to nerf others to get the toys back?

Ehhhhh wrong.... Undying Rage = 5 seconds and does not make them immune to CC, if my other abilities like Predation, Cloak of Pain and Saber Ward are all available and not on Cool down and your health is 50% or more you can fire off your defense and mitigate some of the damage and then fire of undying rage.

Oh it all has to do with some classes getting powered down, and the Mara being slightly ticked up means OP obviously...

As I am sure many know this already, but PVP life after 50 is completely different. Its more dofficlut of geared folks thats a given, BUT, you have to just about rethink your strategies as well. Post 50 = a lot more premade groups as well. Food for thought.

You know they might actually respond better if you defined what exactly you think is not balanced other than... "This sucks I'm going home." As to your question, the most glaring error is in the first 4 words of your 1st post. "BW is dont anything..." I think he meant leave out "is"

**** LMAO!!! Sorry that just struck me funny as all get... I can just imagine somene saying that and making a gun finger and go "pew pew pew"

**** LMAO!!! Sorry that just struck me funny as all get... I can just imagine somene saying that and making a gun finger and go "pew pew pew"

Give yourself purpose then... PUG the WZ with noobs or solo and help them beat the good players... Right now I am at that stage ackward adoloscent stage of pvp... Sometimes I am brilliant, and sometimes it seems like I get dropped liked a toilet seat. The latter seems to come from premade groups and im usually puggin solo. For now.

Rejoice!!! Read 1.2 patch notes...

I wasnt questioning the grind or the math... I was merely stating you CAN purchase them... Trust me I know about the grind, I am at valor 62 grinding it out now for BM gear. I know its pointless with 1.2 but I am apparently in the minority of someone who appreciates the grind for things more instad of it being handed to you on a silver platter. Honestly, I think thats what allured me about PVP as I had zero interest in it before SWTOR. I wanted to have that sense of accomplishment instead of just feeling like I ran something 5 times and gear was tossed to me. yes I know, I am the oddball for MMO players... Grind to me gave purpose and a goal. ** Edit - Derrrrrrrrr... someone give the Sith Sorc Columi hat for I R Dunce!!! I completely missed the fact he said purchase before 50 and talking about level not Valor, which is even more funny because that is level 60... blah... I R tarded.... SORRY... yall may laugh now... LOL.... Yes I admit my mistaked... buttttt... you CAN get a BM chest before valor 60 and hold on to it... but still not a purchase...

Mine too, Sents for that matter in the WZ opposing Imps... I started to play a Mara when my guild had ZERO in it. We had other things but by far the lightest was Mara's. Rare occasions do I see 2 or more Mara's in a PVP group... usually its a 1 or 2 Jugs, 1 to 3 Operatives/Snipers, 2 to 4 BH's, 1 to 2 Sorcs, 1 to 2 Mara's, 1 to 3 Assassins.

Im pretty sure this is incorrect... 1000 Merc and 1000 WZ coms = 1 BM Comm from the vendor next to the dailies terminal.