I went and had a look.... Guess I am a glutton for punishment. Jedi Cov is setting up a calander to ortanize kills on Nightmare Pilgram so no one steps on anyones toes. This guy is opposed to it. His reasons are..... Not well thought out. Organizing a kill schedule to ensure everyone gets a chance brings community together and ensures fair play. Get over it. No one agrees with you bro.... Additionally this should never have come to the general forums chat as its server related. Good day to you.

I understand what your friend is saying. Lets say you both play for a year and their are 5 expansions like you proposed.For your subscription you will pay $180 for a year. He will only have to pay $50 bucks for a year @ the proposed $10... Granted he may buy some fluff stuff, lets guess around $50 worth of fluff stuff from the store... He still only pays $100 bucks to play for a year while you pay $180...

My guess is after seeing how this game has done with the target being casuals, Blizz is probably reconsidering that.

Right... Its totally entitled because having pay for and having earned things is me being entitled. Maybe I should have to pay for my digital deluxe items again too after I unsub since by your reasoning I dont own them, I mearely rented them. *rolls eyes* Aside from you and Magik saying I am acting entitled, which is your *opinion* I might add, you have said nothing that refutes anything I have said.

Long story short. We're not entitled, were F2P, and we should be able to use anything we earned while we were subbed. You may take away access to FP's, you may limit my war zone usage to bare minimum, you may take away my ability to raid, you may take away EVERY SINGLE THING at 50. But touch a single piece of gear/equipment/credits/mats/inventory on my character and I will put this game down and never look back and I assure you, I will not be the only one.

OMAIGAWD!!! Someone other then me is getting something! I MUST HAZ IT TOO. As if all the other things you got weren't enough. Helllooooo entitlement!

lol /5char

Three months ago this game had way more subscribers then it currently does. Common sense says if its broke, do something to fix it. What your posts sound like are, "I like the game, I will continue to subscribe. Anyone who doesn't do what I do should get nothing." Which is fine, but thats why ToR is dying, because most people don't feel this game is worth the money. Which is why they have added the F2P option. You are niave to think that if they continue to use a sub model that this game wont be dead in the next year. Honestly, this F2P is just the beginning IMO. Chances are even with your subscription, you will still have to pay money for things off the cartel vendor. Dont think for one second your subscription will give you free access to that.

Your logic makes no sense. Then why bother with F2P at all? Just stay with a subscription model. F2P to 15 vs F2P to 50 won't make a difference in helping this game make money. In fact your position doesn't do anything except discourage people who might have continued to play for free and spend money in the cash shop to not bother playing at all. Frankly, that does nothing to encourage people to stay around. I did unsub, you are right, and I will stay unsubbed. However, I would have continued to play on a F2P model occasionally and maybe even have dropped some money in the cash shop given I didnt loose access to something as fundamental as gear I worked my *** off for. Additionally, I dont think I am the only person who feels that way. The whole idea is to make money, and what you are suggesting doesn't make money. Agree to disagree, but if EA/BW go down the path you are suggesting. It will be *in my opinion* more hurtful to this game then all the other things they have already done. Especially with a true F2P model like GW2 releasing and MoP around the corner. And before someone says, 'By all means leave, you wont be missed,' I would add that any more subs lost for this game would be extremely detrimental for its future.

It isn't irrelevant. I put in the time and paid them the money to gain access to those things. This F2P option is a way to try to recoup money via cash shop purchases from people who don't believe the game is worth paying $15 bucks a month for. If you take away the option for people who go free to play to use things they already have grinded out, like gear, then why bother playing at all? By that token, the F2P option does NOTHING to stop the bleeding of subs and increase the money that BW/EA are trying so hard to recoup.

It would be in BW/EA's better interest not to take away things people have already grinded out. If I go F2P and lose what gear I already have I wont bother playing at all, which means they lose whatever potential cartel coin sales they may have gained from me in the future. As I am sure many other people who are downgrading to the F2P option will as well.

So, my character is in Full War Hero. Does that mean if I go F2P I lose access to my WH gear? I mean, I dont care if they dont let me raid. (I never do.) Or if I cant queue for fps's or if they limit the number of warzones I can do a week. (Hell, I already have the gear.) But F2P sounds good for me, just to log in once and a while and do a couple wz's. But why should I lose access to the gear I aleady grinded out??

You know what this says to me? Nothing... When ToR can afford to loose 1.1 mil subscribers and still has 9 mil after the loss this may mean something. If ToR lost 1.1 million subs there would be no one playing, hows that for perspective.

Are they totally insane? Who spiked the punch? And what are they on because I want some... 2-3 million players?! L-M-F-A-O These guys are deluded....

Yes, But ONLY if there was significant development in the game in the form of new WZ's, refreshed World PvP, large new zones, opening up of current zones, new quest hubs, fresh daily's, fps, and ops. If they are going to sacrifice the VO they damn sure better make the game worth it. Right now the VO is the only decent part.

We do have different ship. Sith Warriors/Inquisitor is the same, BH and IA is different.

Not really, unless you can think of SWTOR's high moment? Which would basically be the first week after launch.... then the bleeding began.

Difference between legacy perks and cash shop? End game gear al la War Hero, Campaign Gear, etc at the price of cartel coins. In fact I dare a community rep to say this won't be implimented.

This made me chuckle.

So true. I started going back and looking over old trailers from before release, they intended to try and dethrone WoW and dominate the market. It was why so much money was invested. People have just back peddled faster and faster to justify this hunk of junk that they forgot what it was like pre-launch.

And after everything they said and failed on, you still believe them?

You are off your rocker, they hyped the hell out of this game, E3, ComicCon, Massively articles, weekly video updates, forum, twitters, awards listed, pop up adds on other mmo gaming sites... Its like you had your head in the sand if you missed it. As for not reading my post, you are obviously niave so I dont feel like it was some great loss.

People are mad because BioWare hyped this game throught the roof. They made grandiose claims like having 50 more planets planned, zones two to three times the size of a WoW zone etc. There was so much false hype that it was a HUGE let down for the fan base when they got to play and realized just how much the game lacked. I also think people are mad because they dont understand how a game with the largest budget in MMO history and a IP like Star Wars attached to it could have missed the mark so hard. Its like the devs decided to build this game with zero idea of what the average MMO gamer wanted. Story was a good idea, but playability was sacraficed on the alter of story. I stand by the fact that if people wanted this much story they would buy a book. Class/companion stories, ok, but they should have taken all the rest of that wasted money on VO and put it into game functionality, upgrading the engine, functionality, mini games, and making the game less linear. The replayability is ****, how many times do I have to storm Castle Panteer and kill Boris Ulgo.... Really....

I Think you got her panties in an uproar. Lmao.

You can! Its called general!