I'm not comparing 1.1 to the NGE. I am comparing the player reaction on the forums. Lots of crying, whining, calls for rollbacks, unsubs... etc. In my guild, only 8 of us are level 50 (and therefore affected by the Ilum thing) the other 100 members are all enjoying themselves in more balanced warzones.

I didnt say that at all. I said the forum posts are very very similar... I'm sure you can agree.

I was kinda hoping to play this game for a few years, but then I made the mistake of reading the forums... This is what the SWG forums looked like around the time of the NGE... SCARY!

The reason you get Huttball all the time is because there are huge amounts of Sith players and small amounts of Republic players. If you go to the Republic fleet, there's usually about 50-100 Republic players there... now how many Imps are at the Imp fleet? I rest my case. Perhaps all you Darth Maul wannabes should role a Republic toon and fight a real battle from the underdog's perspective.

How about bioware just ADMITS they screwed up? That would be a good first step. Then a public apology. I'm not sure a rollback will help... unless we rollback to pre-launch and have more players roll Republic.

uh huh, a TEAM GAME he says... this is why I have been petitioning since beta for 8 man premades. Coordination may be the ONLY weapon we have against 8 geared out Sith players.

You have no respect for guys who want to play together? We arent PvPers? Mass PvP requires alot more strategy than one on one pvp. Personally if you cannot function in a group atmosphere then YOU are not a 'real' pvper. MMORPG = Massivly MULTIPLAYER online rpg. If you want to fly solo, go play Legend of Zelda.

As the OP, I am not opposed to making premades only fight premades... so lets get that clear. I just want to be able to use a full group of my guys to play together in BG's. When we first read about Huttball, for example, I was discussing with our rival guild how we were going to set up two 8 man teams and face each other... well, you cant exactly do that. Personally, I'd rather NOT play against pugs. I have always been more for organized PvP... its more fun and challanging and you can really develop some good rivalries.

*EDIT* I see where this is going, so let me be very specific, I would like to see the implimentation of 8 man PvP groups on PVP SERVERS. I can see why PvE and RP servers would not want this. However, on PvP servers, we signed up for non-stop PvP with the company of our guildmates. *EDIT*

and I'd like to take a shot at them with an 8 man group of my under lvl 50, not so fully geared guys... and have fun doing it. nuff said.

Even though you are not 'elite' and not 'already geared' and share a completely different opinion than most of the members of my guild, I would be happy to have you with us... assuming, of course, that you are Republic. You will find we are pretty far from being 'P-bottles'

I'm assuming this must be a WoW thing... Its amazing how concerned people are about PuGs. Perhaps they should just give people who prefer PuGs their own server. Most of the time, in battlegrounds on my server, its 2 guilded groups of 4 vs. 2 guilded groups of 4. Which is cool, but I'd ratther have all 8 be my guys. The people who took the time to make a guild and set allies and adversaries before launch AND chose a PvP server, should have the ability to have 8 man groups.

why? I'm not level 50 and most of my guild is not level 50. So basically, you are saying I have to wait until I myself and 7 of my guildmates reach level 50 before I can even THINK about playing in an 8 man group with them??? I'm sorry, I'm on a PvP server... I want to PvP NOW and I want to do it with my friends. Silly... just silly. I am assuming the negative, PuGs-loving carebears posting here are from RP servers, not PvP servers.

As the OP, I feel I must explain my situation: First of all, I am a level 43 (NOT 50) Trooper (Republic, of course, NOT SITH) My guild only has 4 level 50 toons. (One of which does not PvP often) When we que in PvP, we que with our own players ranging from level 14 - 50. The problem is, we have to leave people out sometimes and its not fair to them. Our time in Battlegrounds has generated mixed results. Sometimes we can go all night without a victory, which is fine, because its still FUN and we still generate the various rewards, just not as many of them. The point is, we are the class of player who gets 'steamrolled by 8 level 50 sith' sometimes. Guess what? I have absolutly NO PROBLEM WITH THAT! As a matter of fact, I would fight against 12 level 50 fully geared out Sith if you let me bring 8 of my own guys (of various levels) into the fight. Frankly, my guild enjoys being the underdogs. We just prefer to be the underdogs TOGETHER. As for that argument AGAINST where 'I want an 8 man group just to steamroll pugs' well... I would PREFER if I WASNT playing against pugs. As a matter of fact, I would love the ability to contact the guild leaders of my adversary guilds, in game and coordinate Guild vs Guild battlegrounds and Huttball matches. I cant see others from PvP servers being against 8 man groups, so I will excuse the people from the PvE and RP servers where PvP is probably more casual and relies heavily on PuGs. In that case, I agree, keep the system the way it is. Now, if you are from a PvP server and are arguing against 8 man groups... what the hell are you doing on a PvP server in the first place!?!?!?!? You guys don't have a legitimate argument. I am on a PvP server with my Guild. I want to PvP with my Guild... period. Do you guys cry in open world PvP too? I've gotten killed by 4 man gank squads on Hoth, they made it a point to guard my quest objective so I couldnt complete my mission. Personally, I thought that was the coolest part about being on a PvP server. I didnt 'cry' it just forced me to rethink my strategy.

you're kidding right? The game hasnt even been out a month yet and you're crying that its taking too long to get your epic endgame gear?... give me a break. Obviously this is someone who has not played any other MMO.