If SWTOR was developed like this, it would be an amazing game. I could definitely not say TOR was more polished in many cases comparatively speaking.

I wouldnt be so sure, Ive been a member here since 2009, EGA since the 2nd day, I had never even heard about guild wars 2 until early july and never played GW1. With no expectations going in, I have been more then impressed, it just feels like a 2012 MMO. And honestly besides minor bugs, which Arena Net is capable of hotfixing the most QQ I see is from former SWTOR players in general map chat. Not only am I saving 15 bucks a month now, but Im also playing a better game!

It appeared stable because there was a month lull there with no new games, now that Guild Wars is officially out and MoP next month you can be sure it will only trend further downhill and continue until F2P especially if theres no new content. They have known for months in regards to the release dates of those other games, they had plenty of time to drop meaningful content to counteract those launches and all we got was a subpar world event so far. Youd think Makeb would likely drop around the 25th of Sept if they were smart.

Sounds like OP needs to try gw2 like you said before you make that claim. Pvp was fun but the same 4 wz's, the class imbalances and the moniker "stun wars" just dragged on me. Plus what's going on with Ilum?! You made some good points but there's still too much wasted potential here. Levelling 1-50 was great I'll agree, even the second time. But based on what their saying we can't expect our storylines to continue anytime soon and thats too bad. And why I have no problem accepting gw2 ho hum storys since they put development into the core of the game and things that have lasting appeal that wont blow the budget to add. And real, huge open WvW pvp that works! Anyways op play SW for the story but if you have 60 to drop I'd pick up GW, I've been impressed. I'll come back to SW when it's f2p and they've added chapter 4/improved customer service.

Agreed 100%. Wasted credits thinking it be a time saver for my alts knowing how many times you get sent back to DK. Quest says return to DK, ok, priority transport, sends me to the market, quest doesn't realize im there because I didnt use my ship, and now I need to speeder back to the space port, mount to my ship, get in, get out, head back. Pointless. I see no reason to defend this, just make things work plz. Hopefully people see this and can save their money and time.

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Who thinks the current swtor model would be able to handle GW2's WvWvW? Anyone? Not that I'm saying it has to, as this isn't primarily a pvp based game, but it is the most recent AAA competition. Which is why we have yet to even hear what's going on with Ilum, they know they can't offer mass pvp with their engine. I was blown away at the sheer scope of the battlefield in that GW2 with the amount of players and spell effects going on, on top of the pretty impressive graphics, I have encountered zero issues with framerates and my comp is barely working. In swtor I have to bring a fan into the room because my computer gets ridiculously hot while running it. Magik claiming fail logic but how is it that people who have these beast rigs with no problems playing games like BF3, crisis, GW, etc run into FPS issues with just this game? Cuz that makes sense right...

Well im part of that niche and my money is as good as yours. Your making generalizations about pvp players (yes some true) but none of what you said I can honestly say applies to me. Its not as if this game hasnt had its share of PVE whining about lack of content, or its too easy etc. Im saying if a AAA MMO wants my sub fee then they have to have content on both sides. The reason I stuck around with wow so long was because it had a good mix. I like playing in some type of battleground online with others and im not into FPS or Starcraft type games so what other choices do I have?

Except its not, at least for myself anyways and why I cant be bothered to play LOTRO. It is the lure for me in MMO games, ill PVE some sure but then it gets repetitive and stale where as PVP is different each time. If pvp was such a minor thing why would Guild Wars 2 be centered around it?

They should do what DCUO does. You pick up a new piece of loot, that style gets added to your "wardrobe" then all you have to do is select it and it will change the appearance while keeping all the stats. Easiest and quickest customization I've seen, it doesn't cost a cent in game and everyone looks more unique then what we find now. Think they could pull something like that off?

Maybe he put it out there to gauge community interest and see if enough people would be willing to pay ontop of their sub, which I hope they read this thread since the answer is obvious. Lol at this being an expansion, if it was, EA/BW would be hyping this up like they do best, you could go pre order it from Gamestop and the #1 feature would be progressing class storylines which we know is not happening anytime soon if at all since "it's too expensive".... Really? your just figuring this out now in your marketed story driven mmo?! As it is we know little to nothing about it, this is a much needed content patch that their even breaking up to deliver over months to attempt to live up to their "monthly content"' updates. We know we get an op next month and a wz possibly the one after, that already feels cheap. The lies and deception from this company and how they handle their business blows my mind, and Im constantly amazed by people who still eat it up. It's the ones here that can't see the forest for the trees that leads EA to think this would even be remotely acceptable. It's not. While fun, this game has plenty of issues but I would unsub in a heartbeat and never look back if they follow through on charging for this.

truth hurts

Ive had this happen 5 maybe 6 times...gets real annoying when your team is gonna win the WZ too. Seems to happen after I'm killed and when I re-spawn I am lying down, in the death position..... cant get up or move, anything. Especially frustrating when there is only 46 seconds left in the match but your boot timer is down to 40 seconds, no rewards just straight back to where I que'd from. This has gone on for months, its most def not a new bug. and......INB4 someone tells me the simple solution is to just not die.

I am not confident, and my opinion is worth no more then yours. Just basing this off their track record in the past 8 months I'm far more confident in mine until they prove otherwise. I agree that they have content ready to be released and are now waiting for F2P which is just sad. The OP is at one end of the spectrum while the haters are at the other and neither do any good for the game.

They were planning the f2p model when they set prices for legacy features IMO, Id bet you could buy the perks with cartel coins now. Lowering the level does nothing for me. On another note, they encourage alt leveling, set up a family tree so I drop all these credits for perks and its only available for the toon I bought it on, hows that legacy at all?

100%. You wont see anything until the week the GW2 launches, and then nothing until just before MoP drops...pretty standard mmo model. However that's all pretty wishful thinking, assuming well get new content in back to back months would be staggering in its own right...HK and a world event maybe...but a major content patch I cant see till after F2p conversion

did you even watch the links he posted above? there is HUGE incentive to explore, thats what their hoping you would do... swtor feels static, yes having deers screwing around in the woods may not seem like much but its those little things that add to the immersion. directionless? well after you hit 50 once and do the starter zone of your next class id rather have directionless then this planet and these quests from 15-20 now here from 20-25 etc

Ill be dropping my sub to their f2p model, dont plan on spending a dime in the cash shop either, been subbed since EGA. Plain and simple....Im more of a pvp player and GW2's pvp is night and day better then swtor's, (yes thats my opinion and not to be interpreted as fact) If your an avid pvp player though I think you'll agree.

Your no better then the rest. Bottom line for me and I'm sure I'm not alone is, end game PVE in SWTOR isnt that enjoyable, nor "heroic" like they claimed. I did it at the start but for the last few months have basically been playing this as a single player game. Even if you do enjoy raiding, you could sub for a month, easily get fully geared in less then that time and unsub back to F2P until they release new content. The multiplayer part of the game I enjoy is PVP and even then I have more fun in the 1-49 bracket where its less gear dependent. Hitting 50 and grinding BM to WarHero gear in your blue recruit set is akin to pulling teeth, id rather just roll a new alt. Leveling 1-50 is the meat of this game, they labelled it themselves as a story driven mmo. Now why would someone like me continue to pay for a sub (since day two of EGA) when they only content I play I can get for free. And if the cash shop is truly just gonna be fluff..well then I cant justify paying rl currency for vanity items. Now I have 2 50's and 6 others in there 20's 30's and 40's. Are they gonna lock the other 6 when i drop my sub for their F2P model?

But if the population is as strong and stable as people claim, and with the server merges then that shouldnt even be an issue right?

Its true, they used to rule these boards with an iron first, now theres plenty of threads up that would have been closed last month even. Honestly sad to say but I'm enjoying it. Browsing the general discussion has been added to my daily internet reads that are usually current events and NFL.com You know somethings wrong when I could be spending my time in game but I get more entertainment from these forums reading people go on the defensive and try to spin it.

But then who cares? Since its B2P theres no pressure to continue to play and feel like you need to get your moneys worth. When they add more and your interested then pay for what you want. People pay 60 bucks for console games with much less content and replay value.

WoW had multiple zones that were set up for the same level, so if hit level 25 you could go Stranglethorn Vale, or Arathi Highlands or the Stonetalon Mountians and hit level 30 never having to go to those other two zones. Gave your next alt variety. This game IS very much linear, I even bought all 5 WZ xp perks and Im still having to run side quests that I did on my first 2 50's, going through the exact same thing minus the very 1st starter planets.

if thats your view then how is pve any different. Flashpoints are the same **** in a different skin, your still in there to kill stuff and not all of them have real vo storylines anyways, and the ones that do..well you've done it once you know the story.... Besides if you guys had pvp removed from the game then your most def gonna have a subscription problem. You need both in a mmo imo. I DID enjoy both, and was excited when they claimed its not very heroic to have a group beating on a single boss...so thats what they did anyways... but pve in this game is not a challenge. pvp is good, because its unpredictable, id rather play against a real person then AI anyday.

yea, todays Q & A was completely laughable. The only communication we get lately and not one solid question asked/answered. If your gonna give an answer like the following, then why couldn't you at least answer similarly in regards to the real issues so everyone knows your at least aware of them. " I'll give the nebulous answer of "It is certainly possible that the DNA samples will be spendable again" with the caveat of "We have no plans at this time to reuse the DNA samples." While this does not help you decide what you should do with your left over DNA samples, it is the most honestly accurate answer to the question. I'll throw in one slightly less vague bit of relevant information. Useless. and INB4 they dont wanna make promises they cant keep...cuz its a little late for that.