I highly doubt a little water is going to deactivate the massive, super-advanced machine that has survived 10,000 years of nonstop operation.

Yea. That's the first place I looked. Again, he did nothing impressive when compared to what the God Emperor has done. Actually, it clearly says he was "nearly unrivaled", meaning some do rival him. It also says he had assembled a "massive army of followers" when he attacked those worlds. Anyways, I don't see a single piece of info on that page that shows he's anywhere near the power level of the God Emperor. So unless you can provide evidence that Hord could unleash energies potent enough to destroy planets or shoot supernova level psychic attacks or defeat multiple godlike entities or hold back an entire dimension from eating the universe for 10,000 years straight with his mind alone, he wouldn't even be an annoyance to the God Emperor.

And this is based on....what? Hord hasn't done anything impressive.

Easily taken down? The God Emperor, even as a 10,000 year old rotting corpse, still has psychic power that's far beyond the power of any force user. He can stop time, rip out souls with a thought and open light-years wide tears in reality on the other side of the galaxy. He can do all this and more while constantly fighting back an entire dimension of nightmarish, god-like entities from spilling out and consuming the material universe.

A typical Space Marine Librarian could waste Vader. The God Emperor is ridiculous overkill. He could turn Vader, Sidious, Luke and Galen Marek to dust without breaking a sweat.

Kinda good. That Imperium battleship in the picture is much too tiny though. Here's a typical Imperium cruiser (using size numbers from canon 40k rulebook) compared to a Imperial cruiser: http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5787/scifiscalecomparison.jpg Some 40k races have bigger ships. The Necrons have ships that are the size of planets.

LOL! You mindless Star Wars fanboys are hilarious. You really think some mindtrick would work on the ridiculously strong-willed Superman? Mind tricks don't even work on little Watto the junk dealer from Episode 1. Try again.

It has already been stated in the canon that the Tyranids have devoured the biomass of 12 galaxies before arriving at the Milky Way. “Behind the Hive Fleets lie the barren husks of a dozen galaxies already consumed” - 5th Edition Rulebook, Pg. 166

Superman would crush any Jedi with ease. A lightsaber would do absolutley nothing to Superman (who can shrug off nuclear detonations and fly through stars). Superman can move at near lightspeed and is strong enough to move planets. The Jedi would be a bloody splatter on the walls before he could raise a finger.

On a whim? Unknown. But the combined power of the Orks could defeat everything in the galaxy. Wait... You're asking how did the Orks fail to defeat the Imperium's Ullanor Crusade? The Crusade which was directly led by the God Emperor of Mankind himself? The strongest psyker the galaxy has ever seen. The 48,000 year old living god that rivals the power of the Chaos Gods themselves? The guy capable of this level of power: “Behind Horus was the massed power of the Chaos Gods. The Emperor stood alone and still he triumphed, although he was terribly wounded in the process.” - White Dwarf #161, Horus Heresy: The assault on Earth “Desperately the Emperor summons his power and lashes out. Lightning flickers between the combatants. The stench of ozone fills the air. The Emperor leaps forward, sword raised. Weapons clash as battle is joined on every level: physical, spiritual, psychic. Bolts of force flicker as mortal gods clash, balancing the fate of the galaxy on every blow. Runesword and lightning claw ring against each other with a sound like thunder. Energies potent enough to level planets are unleashed.” - White Dwarf #161, Horus Heresy: Aboard Horus' battle barge “He gathers every particle of his power, focuses it into a mighty bolt of pure force, more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun. He aims it as Horus, a lance of power destined for the madman's heart. Horus senses the upsurge of energy and turns to face the Emperor, a look of horror on his face. The Emperor lets fly.” - White Dwarf #161, Horus Heresy: Aboard Horus' battle barge The Crusade which the demigod Primarch Horus fought in? Horus was a warrior who had this type of strength, resilience and weaponry: “According to the heretical handwritten chronicle of his life, entitled simply The Dark, Konrad Curze's earliest memory was of descending from the heavens in a crackling ball of light to the night-shrouded planet of Nostramo. His embryonic form impacted on the dense cityscape of Nostramo Quintis, smashing through countless levels of debris and mouldering architecture, through the planet's crust and through the geosphere before finally coming to a halt near the liquid core of the planet. His descent left a scar in the inviolable adamantium strata of Nostramo, the result of the supernaturally resilient Primarch's birth into a world that knew no light. The cratered pit his descent had carved into the planet was closed off and regarded with fear and suspicion. Theoretically, the only way the Primarch could have reached the surface was to have swum through molten metal, borne upwards through volcanic vents to the surface. The Arcana Progenitum of Nostramo Quintis details the incident in vague, awkward terms: '...a glowing child-form it was, crawled from the Pit onto the broken street, hissing molten metal dripping from its limbs. It was a daemon, no less, with the body of an infant but the expression of an old man, its eyes cold and black as obsidian.'” - Index Astartes II, Pg. 20 “Fulgrim having forged an exquisite warhammer that could level a mountain with a single blow” - Fulgrim, Pg. 194 “The primarchs’ weapons, forged in brotherhood, but wielded in vengeance, met in a blazing plume of energy, and the battlefield was illuminated for hundreds of metres by their ferocious energies. The two primarchs traded blows with their monstrously powerful weapons, the strength to defeat armies and topple mountains unleashed as they fought like gods forced to end their dispute in the realm of mortals. Ferrus Manus wielded his flaming blade in fiery slashes, his every blow defeated by the ebony hafted hammer he had borne in countless campaigns. Fulgrim swung his hammer in great, looping arcs, its heavy head powerful enough to crush the armour of a Titan to paste.” - Fulgrim, Pg. 746 100,000 Space Marines were also involved in the fighting as well. Why did the Orks lose? It's pretty obvious. Doubt it. Psyker mind attacks really don't work on the Orks (and they are much more potent than Force mind attacks), so why would Force mind tricks have any effect? More likely the Ork would just tilt it's head at the funny gestures the puny person is making, shrug his shoulders and then furiously charge. That's different. Orks psykers actually vomit destructive psychic energies to kill their opponents. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/2/28/Weirdboy_2.JPG

Note: A Wiki is not canon source of information. That 40k wiki you're using is full of inaccuracies and fan fiction. Imperium ship's size: "The void-faring vessels of the Imperium are far more than simple vehicles. With the smallest more than a kilometre in length, a void-ship bears a striking resemblance to an Imperial hive in minature, with a population to match." - Rogue Trader Core Rulebook, Pg. 188 "Engines and reactors of a warship occupy a third of its mass; gun decks usually constitute three quarters of what remains. Even individual macroweapons are giant, house-sized affairs covered with gantries, cranes, power lines and pipes with a crew hundreds strong. Lance turrets are even bigger - the size of a city block with a crew numbering in the thousands." - Rogue Trader: Battlefleet Koronus, Pg. 48 Basically, the Imperium's smallest frigates/escorts are around the size of the Empire's cruisers. Comparison below created using canon numbers. Just to give a better idea of cruiser vs cruiser sizes: http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5787/scifiscalecomparison.jpg The Imperium ships are definitively larger on average. There aren't exact numbers for Imperium ships regarding power output, but there is evidence that they too have stellar level energy outputs. "At the magos's command, the truly stellar levels of energy contained within the ship's cruiser plasma reactors were released into the warp engines, ripping a hole in the fabric of space and pushing the cruiser forward into the immaterium." - Excecution Hour, Pg. 18 "Outside the station the macro cannon and lances of the Aethon began to rotate. Plasma flushed into reactors and energy wells, the fury of suns snarling in its shackles." - Fateweaver, Pg. 100 "Plasma drives are used to move through star systems at sub-light speeds. They burn with the fierce energy of a star, converting their fuel into a super-heated gas plasma to create the immense thrust needed to propel these gargantuan craft through space." - White Dwarf Magazine #140 Which really isn't that impressive considering the Imperium has been fighting galaxy spanning wars on all fronts for thousands upon thousands of years without rest. It's not uncommon for the Imperium to lose dozens of sub-sectors and hundreds of planets to alien/Chaos invasions. A Sub-sector (typically contains 2-8 star systems) can have trillions of inhabitants. "It was from the daunting heights of the Palace Euphorica that the Ecclesiarchy provided spiritual guidance for the billions of pious St. Ethalbergers below and for trillions more beyond the cardinal world and across the subsector." - Legion of the Damned, Pg. 225 Black Library is a division of Games Workshop. The novels are directly published by Games Workshop. Those numbers are canon. Is a 20km ship standard? Probably not. But they do field them. It has been stated. Void shields shunt attacks into the Warp. "The eldar ships glimmered with holofields, appearing as shimmering ghosts to open fire before disappearing against the star-filled backdrop. Human void shields sputtered with blue and purple flares as they unleashed bursts of energy to shunt the attacks of the eldar into warp space." - Path of the Warrior, Pg. 346 "[Hive Worlds] Population: ≤ 500,000,000,000 ≥ 100,000,000,000" - 3rd Edition Rulebook, Page 114 "Approx. number of hive worlds in the Imperium: 3.238 × 10^4" - 5th Edition Rulebook, Pg. 115 A typical Hive world has a population between 100 to 500 billion people. There are approximately 32,380 Hive worlds in the Imperium. 100 billion x 32,380 would give it over 3 quadrillion (3,238,000,000,000,0000) people by counting only the populations of these Hive worlds. There are 967,620+ planets left uncounted. The Imperium undoubtedly has many quadrillions of citizens. The Imperium has at least a million worlds at any given time. Millions of worlds are mentioned in some sources. The total number is unknown. The Imperium has been constantly gaining and losing planets due to war, natural (or unnatural aka Warp storms) disasters, etc for the past 10,000 years, so it just lost track after a while. Again, no official total exists. We know that the Imperium's total ship count was in the hundreds of thousands at its very beginning, before it conquered most of the galaxy: "When the time came to leave Terra, it was a great moment. Not even the triumph at Ullanor can compare with the moment of grief as an entire world wept to see the architect of Unification depart. The alliance of Terra and Mars was complete, and the Mechanicum had outdone itself, building fleets of ships to allow the Emperor to take to the stars and complete his Great Crusade of Unity. The skies over Terra were thick with starships, hundreds of thousands of them organised into more than seven thousand fleets, reserve groups and secondary, follow-on forces. It was an armada designed to conquer the galaxy and that was exactly what we set out to do.” - A Thousand Sons, Pg. 383 Keep in mind that a single, isolated Imperium star system was capable of this. Fast forward to modern 40k and there are millions of ships: "Few can cross stars as readily as humanity, with its millions of ships scattered across the Imperium. The projected power of the Imperial Navy alone is sufficient to keep threats at bay light years away from the industrious citizenry. When the actual big guns are required, the Imperial Navy can pull together whole armadas of city-sized warships to pound the enemy into oblivion." - Rogue Trader: Battlefleet Koronus, Pg. 44 In fact, the Imperium can lose "millions upon millons" of warp-capable starships and not collapse. The worst that happened was some sub-sectors fell apart. “401.M34 THE HOWLING Black Templar Space Marines end the Catelexis Heresy by executing the Cacodominus, an alien cyborg whose formidable psychic presence allowed it to control the populace of thirteen hundred planetary systems. Alas, the Cacodominus’ death scream echoes and amplifies through the Warp, burning out the minds of a billion astropaths and distorting the signal of the Astronomicon. Millions upon millions of ships are lost in the resulting upheaval and entire sub-sectors slide into barbarism without the dictats of the Adeptus Terra to guide them.” – 5th Edition Rulebook, Pg. 124 Individual Battlefleets can have thousands of warships. Here, an Imperium fleet of 2,216 capital ships (with more on the way) arrives to aid a single system. Also, note that the Ork fleet consists of thousands of ships as well: "Hololithic green triangles appeared above her cloud-masked surface. These were the orks’ ships at anchor in high orbit. There were still thousands of them. Deguerro directed Kantor’s attention to the orbital plane of the Rynnstar system’s outermost planet, Phraecos, a barren, moonless world with a surface of frozen methane. Just within the hololithic ring of the planet’s orbital path, a formation of glowing blue triangles flickered into existence, attendant streams of digital data spooling through the air beside them. 'Two thousand two hundred and sixteen warp-capable ships,' said Deguerro, 'and nothing smaller than a Dauntless-class light cruiser. There are several Space Marine battle-barges, but the main bulk of the fleet’s firepower is comprised of that aboard the Imperial Navy’s Emperor and Retribution class battleships. There are four each of these, a significant commitment from Segmentum Headquarters.' Kantor looked again at the swarm of triangles representing the orks fleet around Rynn’s World. He thought for a moment, then said, “This Imperial force is enough to break through and land troops, but it is not enough to eliminate the enemy fleet outright.” “True,” said Deguerro. 'But we have been assured that further support is on the way.'" - Rynn's World, Pg. 198-199 A fleet consisting of 10,000 ships is sent to aid a Hive world under siege. This happens while several major offensives in other parts of the sector were underway: "The hazy sky was full of metal and looked like it should fall. The awesome power of the Imperium was there for every Verghastite to see: ten thousand ships, some the size of cities, some bloated like ornate oceanic turtles, some slender and serrated like airborne cathedrals. Macaroth unleashed his might on the planet below: six million Guardsmen, half a million tanks, squads drawn from three chapters of the Adeptus Astartes, two Titan Legions. Troop dropships, bulk machine-lifters and shuttles dropped in a swarm on the Hass valley. For awhile, the sky did fall." - Necropolis, Pg. 309

Here's some quotes to back this up. Holy Terra: "Ragnar looked down upon the strange globe beneath him. The hemisphere glittered metallic silver in the daylight. There were patches of red upon it that might have been seas of rust. The lines of the ancient continents were gone. All that was left to suggest them were vague outlines where the density of buildings became even more intense along what had once been shorelines. Now the world wore metallic armour over its entire surface. It seemed fitting somehow. Ragnar smiled; it was an astonishing feeling. The image was a familiar one. This was the birth world of humanity. He had seen the likeness so often that it was strange knowing that the planet was actually below him now, a glittering jewel set against the black velvet of space. Ragnar felt excitement build up in him. This was where humanity had first reached for the stars, where the Emperor of Mankind was born and from where he had launched his great crusade. Where Horus had besieged the Imperial Palace and the future history of the galaxy had been decided. This was the hub of the greatest Empire that had ever existed, a seat of government of incalculable power. Somewhere down there the Lords of the Administratum decided the fate of countless billions. Somewhere down there the Emperor lay half-alive within his golden throne. The primarchs had walked there amid the gardens and plasteel starscrapers. Russ had led the distant forebearers of the Chapter into battle on its soil. This was Earth, old and weighted with millennia of history. Soon he would join the countless trillions who had made the pilgrimage to its surface. Soon he would be part of everyday life down there. He considered their approach. He knew that they had passed countless fortresses and fleets as they had swung in from the ultra-solar jump points. They had passed the armoured moons of Jupiter and the forge world of Mars. They had been subjected to hundreds of challenges and scans and they had been boarded twice. It had been a long drawn out process but it was only to be expected. The world down there was better protected than any other planet in human history. There would not be a Second Battle of Earth if the terrible lords of the Imperium could help it. Even now, the sky was filled with satellite fortresses: great weapon installations with enough firepower to destroy battle fleets. The whole of sublunar space was crowded with warships. For once in his life, Ragnar felt insignificant." - Wolfblade, Pg. 77-78 Description of the continent-spanning Imperial Palace. It makes Palpatine's Imperial Palace look like a joke: "If viewed from low orbit through the foul atmosphere, the continent-spanning palace was a concatenation of copulating, jewel-studded tortoise shells erupting into ornate monoliths, pyramids, and ziggurats kilometres high, pocked by landing pads, p.rickling with masts of antennae and weapons batteries. Whole cities were mere chambers in this palace, some grimly splendid, others despicable and deadly, and all crusted with the accretion of the ages." - The Inquisition War Omnibus, Pg. 87 "It was monumental. It was not so much an edifice as a handcrafted landmass. The artisan masters built it upon Terra’s greatest mountain range, and transformed the monstrous peaks into its bulwarks. It towered above a world laid to waste by centuries of war and perdition, and though that world was being rebuilt, with wondrous cities and architectural marvels blooming in the new age of Unity, nothing could match its magnificence. For it was beautiful, a euphoric vision of gold and silver. It was said that, when they had finished their task, the artisan masters of the Masonic guilds set down their tools and wept. By the time it was complete, it was the largest single man-made structure in known space. Its footings sank deep into the planet’s mantle, its towers probed the airless limits of the atmosphere. It owned the words ‘the palace’ wholly, without any need for qualification, as if no other palaces existed. He had blemished that glory. He had raised dark curtain walls around the golden halls, and cased the soaring towers in skins of armour ten metres thick. He had stripped away the jewelled facades and the crystelephantine ornamentation, the delicate minarets and the burnished cupolas, and in their places he had implanted uncountable turrets and ordnance emplacements. He had dug mighty earthworks out of the surrounding lowlands, and fortified them with a million batteries. He had yoked platforms into synchronous orbits to guard from above, their weapon banks armed and trained, day and night. He had put his men upon the walls, armoured in gold and set for the coming war. .... A katabatic wind was coming in off the lower bulwarks that night. The palace was so immense, the precipice walls bred their own microclimate. Greasy stars swam in the heat ripple of the palace’s new reactors. The void shields were being tested again. Not a palace. Not the palace anymore, a fortress. Some of those sullen stars were orbital platforms, catching the last backscatter of the sunlight as Terra turned. Dorn put on a fur-edged robe that had been in his possession since his adolescence on Inwit, and went out to walk the parapets of the Dhawalagiri prospect, to dwell upon its beauty one last time. It was one of the last sections of the palace that remained untouched. Adamantium armour plates, drab prestressed rockcrete and auto-turrets had yet to blight its ethereal lines." - The Lightning Tower, Pg. 2-4 Invade Terra and kill the Emperor? Good luck...

Hundreds of thousands of km stated. “Hundreds of thousands of kilometres separated the fleets, yet prow-mounted laser batteries opened up, stabbing lances that shredded dozens of cult vessels. Several more exploded in blinding detonations as they advanced into the paths of incoming torpedoes.” - Pg. 41 Dark Creed The Imperium does field some big ships. “Imperial starships hung in the blackness between it and him: some vast, grey and vaulted like cathedrals twenty kilometres long, some bloated like oceanic titans; others long, lean and angular like his own frigate.” - Ghostmaker, Pg. 78

He did die. It's canon. | | V

40k would not be outnumbered by Star Wars. Not even close. The Imperium of Man controls at least a million worlds and has a population numbering in the quadrillions (5th Ed. rulebook). Humanity is not the most numerous species in the 40k universe though. The Tyranids, who have so far devoured 12 galaxies (5th Ed. Codex), would undoubtedly outnumber the entirety of Star Wars's forces by themselves. Their Hive fleets are so massive that they can by seen on a galactic scale. One of the Tyranid's many Hive fleets Then add on top of that the Ork species. The Orks are more numerous than humanity and it's been hinted in the background that they inhabit multiple other galaxies (White Dwarf 118). They probably outnumber all of the SW forces as well. Ork held worlds in the Milky Way. THEN add the forces of the Warp, which literally is an entire parallel universe of demonic armies and reality r@ping monsters. Pretty much unlimited numbers there. 40k would drown Star Wars with numbers.