Wow, again. You stand on your soap box and refuse to see that other people play the game. You want everything for yourself. If you had bothered to read anything past the first sentence in any of the replies, you would see that what you just said and are going to do "need on everything that hits the floor regardless", is not how the loot system was designed. Try to understand, you arent the only person who plays the game. Try to understand other people have the same chance to win items as you do. Try to understand, the actual meaning of fair doesnt actually mean that you must win. And once again, you remind ME why I hate when developers listen to random people because they tend to ruin the game for the majority. Would you find it fair if nobody else needed an item that just dropped but you just won the last roll and you need the new item that dropped but cannot get it? Even though nobody else needs it and they all hit greed? No. No you wouldnt think that was fair at all. You just whine to whine. Grow up.

You are so beyond selfish and ridiculous. You keep talking about honor and fair. Yet you dont want it to be fair because you lost the random roll? NOT EVERYBODY PLAYS THE GAME THE SAME WAY YOU DO!!!! You play to get gear. Some people play to collect items, that I've said, but you apparently cant read. Some people play to get just mounts. Some just want pets. Some want everything. Talk about so whacked out. You sir, are the problem with MMOs. You dont win in a fair roll, so you come and whine and complain, and unfortunately some developer listens because they dont want you to unsub and the game is ruined for everybody else. Every MMO does this. They cater to the whiners. EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME CHANCE TO WIN LOOT. I dont understand how it can be any more fair than that.

Well, I hate to tell you this. But theres this new feature, implemented since I was in the closed beta....its called....."GOUP CHAT" Its a place where you can type on your keyboard. Letters in a row to make words. Most people find it as a way to.........communicate. You keep talking about fair play. I dont understand how giving everygbody the same change to win a roll is unfair? Once again. Need on items you can use and want. Greed on items you dont care about but want to sell Pass on anything you dont want and dont want to sell. Thats how it was designed. Thjats the fairest way to do it. Thats how it should be used. Thats how I use it. again...... DONE and DONE

Talk about naive. So, if you see an item you cant use but dont mind selling, you just pass on it? Thats the entire point of greed. If nobody wants it, but is willing to sell it, then they all greed on it. Simple as that. If you dont want to even sell the item, then pass. If you want the item, the need on it. I dont understand why the confusion.

How can one ninja something that you needed on? Ninja, is one who steals loot regardless of who won the roll. With the "need' system, they cannot simply just take it if they lose the roll. Simple as that. Sure there are people who dont care and want everything for themselves. But they cannot ninja it. all they can do is hope they win the roll, just like you. And people who use it properly use it exactly how I said. Which is how its designed. If you want some gentlemans agreement, honor system, then you need to stop playing a game where everybody has the same opportunity to win loot. All this is moot anyway. You can change the loot rules in any group. If you dont like fair chances for everybody in group to win items, then I dont know what else to tell ya. Not much honor there either. You dont like the RNG, play a game that doesnt have one. Good luck finding that tho. Last I checked DIABLO III is like that. Have fun there imo. I see nothing wrong with this loot system. I dont personally need on everything. because I dont care. I only need on items that I dont already have and can use. I greed on anything that I dont care about but will sell. I close the window on anything I want nothing to do with. Thats how the loot system was designed, thats how it works, and thats how it should be used.

You're arguing semantics. Because you dont "NEED" the gear either. You WANT the gear so you can do the harder ops. People collect things. Thats why theres a "collections" tab. People "NEED" things to complete their collections. Its all relative. You may not "NEED" this mount, but a collecter who plays the game differently than you do may "NEED" it to complete their collection.

It would be so nice if there were settings for each character to where I can set up a way to auto deposit credits into my guild bank. Have it so I can say, on this character I want 50% of my looted credits to go to my guild bank. Maybe even add to that. Maybe on this other character, I want 1% of my looted credits to be auto deposited into my guild bank, but also 5% of his GTN sales. I can understand why we may not want guilds to force a guild tax. But it would be nice for those that would like to donate to the guild funds, to have it auto do it for them. Some weeks they may want to donate more. Some weeks less. Let them make that choice. Some characters they dont want to donate from at all, some they want everything donated. And if one day we do have the ability for guilds to make actual alliances in game with its own alliance tab for both chat and who's on, but also maybe an alliance bank. Maybe each guild has their own tab in the alliance bank. Maybe set it so each guild can add credits from the guild funds to that alliance bank. Then sometime in the future we can have alliance space stations like the guild ships but cost the alliance credits to do it. Anyway, I would like to be able to set each of my characters an ability to choose a % of my looted and sales credits to be directly deposited into our guilds bank.

I've read lots of people say things like "sister guild" or even "alliance guild" in chat and even some places on the forums. But we dont have anyway to check whos on in that guild other than to try to do the /who and stumble through everything thats remotely close to a match. Other than to add them to a limited friends list. If a guild has 150 people, and another has 70 and another has 30 but all are in an alliance, good luck fitting all those names into your friends tab. Why cant we have guilds forge an alliance? Then name that alliance? Just makes it easier for the smaller guilds to take part with the larger guilds. They can ask in alliance chat if anybody wants to run with them before they pug in the inevitable jerk who doesnt like their play style or ninja from fleet. You can have an alliance tab to see who is on in what guild in your alliance. I think it would be helpful to those small guilds. Too many small guilds lose members to the larger guilds because they dont have enough people that want to PvP or raid or whatever. This will allow the smaller guilds to stay together and for those members to still run with alliance members. Our guild created its own chat tab for our "sister guilds", but I would still rather see actual alliances in game. Have an alliance chat tab. I have my own small 2 person guild that is just my GF and I. Then almost 2 years ago we made some friends that were in a larger guild. We wanted to join them, but were already at 5 tabs in our guild bank. We didnt want all those credits to go to waste, so we only put in our main characters into that other guild. It would be really nice if I could have left them in my guild for my own bank access where I have lots of stuff, but still be part of the other guild. An alliance would have done that for me. Not only that, but it would help those larger guilds allowing them to keep alts in their guilds. Our guild has to do a weekly cleaning of inactive characters because of the guild size limit. We got to a point that we made a "baby" guild just for us to level alts in. An alliance would alleviate a lot of that because so many smaller guilds would stop shutting down and folding so many members into the already too big to keep alts in guilds.

This is ridiculous imo. All this will do is make it so guyild groups that run together to help gear their guildy would have to be forced to take their time to trade. I think the system is fine the way it is to keep ninja looters out. Pure and simple. If you dont have it and want it and can use it, "NEED" on it. If you want it just to sell or dont really care if you get it or not "GREED" on it. If you want nothing to do with it, hit the "X" at the top right. Done and done forget all this gentlemans agreement on greeding on things you want. That just promotes ninjas. I'll do it if thats what the entire group does. But the second somebody hits need, which will happen, everybody gets all upset and then spams fleet "dont group with this guy, he needed on something he wanted, boohoo". Just use the system as its designed and everybody can be happy. We ALL have been hit with the unlucky RNG streak. SOme more than others. I'm always the last person to get geared in my raid teams progression runs. Its been this way for me since my first MMO in Dark Age of Camelot back in 2001. Then in World of Warcraft. Then in Aeion. So and and so forth until here in SWTOR. Its just my luck. I've accepted it and deal with it. Sometimes I get lucky, in fact often times I get lucky with mounts, decorations or pets...but gear..I cant win for the life of me. It is what it is. Its a random number generator. You'll go 0-15 sometimes. Then you'll go 15-0. It happens TO EVERYBODY.

Griefing is against the Rules of Conduct and the ToS. THATS why its not legitimate. It falls under both exploitation and harassment. Under the harassment section of the RoC http://www.swtor.com/support/helpcenter/1880 Also here for the RoC http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct That one can be argued either way because the intent was to steal the boss not necessarily to disrupt the other group, but it can be argued that stealing the boss and forcing a reset is in itself causing the other group disruption. Under the exploitation section of the ToS in the game policies http://www.swtor.com/support/helpcenter/1857 And to those that think making a WB or conquest boss or event boss untauntable basically erases tanks from participating in those events because they would just bring extra healers or DPS if something was uncontrollable anyway. Simply make it so a person outside of the group that pulled originally cannot taunt. Simple as that. The code is already there. They cant loot it if they arent in the group, just change it up so they cant effect it. No attacks, no heals, no taunts. If its red its dead, if its white its aight (meaning leave it alone because you cant do anything to it anyway). This problem has been growing more and more over the last few months (was really bad during the rakghoul event). Which is clear evidence that EA and Bioware arent managing their own game. These people have been reported time and time again. Yet they still come in and do it. And because there is no punishment for this behavior, other lemmings fall in line and do it too. Step up CS. Start to manage your game before you lose complete control of it. Once you lose control of it, you lose your good player base and all you'll have are rule breakers that will break your game and put it into the trash bin losing you a truck load of money. TBH, I feel this thread is in the wrong place. It should be in the customer service section because this is most definitely a customer service issue. I think the op should link it there so at least we'll know theres a possibility of CS actually seeing it. Maybe a small possibility, but at least they look in there form time to time.

This is probably the biggest help right here. Thank you very much for this. Both our sniper and DPS sorc, are dot spec. So basically our DPS never gets to ramp up as much as we want it to.

Sweet! Thank you guys very much! I will be copy/pasting your comments in our guild ops team forum. This has been VERY helpful!!

Yeah, we're gonna try that Monday (our next raid night). We talked a little more tactics and whatnot when one of our tanks computer crashed and he couldnt get back into game. We had all 4 DPS going to the ghosts (we call them ghosts) during the first kell dragon fight. We're gonna change that to only 2 and we're gonna have the healers dps styrak too.

We havent made it to the second dragon. Skyrak enrages before we get to him. So our numbers are pre second dragon. But thank you. That is what I was looking for. Just knowing that our group makeup can do it is good enough for me. We'll get it figured out then. Hopefully the next few attempts get us closer and closer. Thats how we did TFB HM and the previous bosses in S&V HM. Each new attempt would gain us ~10-20% lower boss health before we would wipe or hit enrage eventually succeeding.

OK, EVERY SINGLE video I can find about taking him down, has a Marauder/Sentinel in the group. They pop their group damage buff twice in the fight, and still every video has shown them hitting the enrage timer. Our steady raid group has no Marauder. Can this be done in 69-72 gear without that damage boost? (almost entire raid is only 1-3 armorings at 69 for set bonuses and rest all 72's) Is it possible with this raid group makeup? Tank - Powertech Tank - Assassin DPS - Sorc DPS - Merc DPS - Merc DPS - Sniper Heals - Sorc Heals - Sorc According to ToRparse, each DPS is putting out over 2100 dps, 3 of the 4 are over 2300. Yet we seem to keep hitting the enrage timer with A TON of health left on Styrak (~40% health). We're still learning so our tactics may be off too, but I have yet to see a video of him being killed without the extra damage buff from a Mara/Sent. We're all stimmed and using adrenals, popping relics and any class damage/armor penetration boosts when possible and even the heals are trying to help DPS. We've only attempted this fight a hand full of times. Our best was hitting the enrage with Styrak at 40%. So we have a lot of ground to make up. Its just a little disheartening to see every single video using that extra DPS boost from the Mara/Sent and still hitting the enrage timer. Anybody have any ideas? Please dont just say, "you suck" or something stupid. Please be helpful or dont bother posting.

Its because THAT many people are having errors thats not allowing them to log in or stay logged in.

The forum times are all messed up for me. It says it was posted at 1:28am. Its only 7:51pm CST soo...it was possible for that to have been posted this morning.

Well crap, lol. Thanks for the reply. I was all red faced and mad about the error 9000s I've been getting worse and worse day by day. So I uninstalled to start a new fresh install to see if that might help. Then I notice theres a patch for high priority issues, which I'm sure is the error 9000 we all know and loathe. Oh well, at least......something......

Was that 5am CST this morning on the 18th. Or is that 5am CST on the 19th?

You're compairing apples to muscle cars. What does one have to do with the other? Free money? What? And I dont believe there will be all those queues if they did stagger it from 7 days down to one. At least not until after the launch. If they only did 2 or 3 waves a day instead of 6 and 7, there would be 1/3 the amount of people in game. Tomorrow still under half. The next day about half..etc etc. My point is, they're causing more problems by allowing apparently everybody but you, into the game. Sure they should have more than enough servers to handle it. Or maybe better servers or whatever. Sure there shouldnt be any issues at all. But there is (not me, other people are having in game issues). If they had staggered it like they originally planned, then they could work out those issues, instead of spending all their time on the phones telling people the same thing they've been saying for months and catering to people whining and crying about not being in game. That was my point. Since you obviously 100% missed it. Now give me that free money you were talking about, since you apparently believe there is such a thing. You must be the one guy handing it out.

what? lurn to reed I said it was my modem or ISP about the crashing, that wasnt the complaint. The complaint was the sheer volume of people who are in already that shouldnt be (myself included). Hence no queues. Thats the point of the post.

So, they cater to the masses (i.e. whiners) and let everybody in all at once, and now the servers are swamped. I lost internet connection, my modem has the hiccups today apparently. I've lost connection 5 times, and each time I have to queue up, allow it to try and log in after waiting in queue, get the error telling me that it has to log me out, re-queue up and log in after waiting in queue for a second time. So far this has happened 5 times so far today. I realize that its my ISP or modem having the issue, not BW. But its just frustrating that they had planned for a certain way to do things, to allow a nice flowing ease into launch. And then let the whiners control their actions and get everybody in all at once, and now we have really bad queue wait times because so many people are jumping to get in at once. THIS, is why companies should ignore complain posts and just do things the way they planned. Because it ALWAYS comes back to bite them and always makes things worse for themselves AND their customers. I didnt put in my preorder code in until December 3rd. I had thought I would have gotten 1, maybe 2 days of early access, and I was happy with that. THATS how it should have been.

Holy cow. I got my invite just now. I entered my code on Decmber 3rd and just got in for early access. I did not expect that at all. I thought 1, maybe 2 days of play. w000t!! See you in game!

lol Theres a difference of having passion for something, and letting something control your emotions and life. Its pretty clear by the rants and raves on these boards which of those 2 is happening.

I should also add, we all know what was said and what wasnt. So those that claim, "it never said this at x time" or "it said I was guaranteed x time" are all liars. First of all, when the ability to preoder came out, they never announced ho much early access there would be. Only that it was first come first served basis. The sooner you put in your code, the earlier you got to play. Secondly, WHEN they did finally announce how much game time, they CLEARLY stated "UP TO". Not once did they say it will be this much for this set of people. So far, BW has done NOTHING wrong, and people are chastising them and throwing them under the bus because people ASSUMED one thing, and got something else. Hell, everybody should just be happy they get to play on launch day and get the first month of play for free. Its not a requirement that BW allows people to preorder. Its not a requirement that BW gives in game gifts to people who preorder. Its not a requirement for BW to give early game access. Its not a requirement you get the first month for free. The only thing thats a requirement, is that BW provides a service for their fees. And since BW itself has yet to charge any single person a dime, they arent required to do jack squat. The preorder fees are from the company you preordered it from. Not BW. You dont have the game in hand, which is why you havent been charged for the purchase of the game yet.