Wow, cartel coin packs are crap.

Nope, its the CCG without the first 'C'. They just want you to shell out the money without having to the go through the process of making some collectible cards.

Number 3 sounds just like the Mass Effect multiplayer spectre packs. That's the new trend in online fleecing. They say gambling is illegal, but alas, EA has perfected the art. It's a bunch of bollocks!

This has been asked before, but, I'll give my top 5 as I don't think there are 10 great Star Wars games. The IP has had its share of duds. X-Wing vs Tie Fighter Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy Knight of the Old Republic Rebellion

Have you seen the state of the forums? There is nobody playing this game. I remember the rage quit at SWG. They had to bring in forum mods from EQ2 to help delete all the posts. SWTOR is dying with less than a whimper. On top of all that, they won't transfer characters, or but BH geared default characters so people can test the new content. This is the extent of their ineptitude.

Pretty much his lack of inclusion in 1.4 is the death knell for me. I'm done. As of July 16th HK-51 was going to be recruit-able in the "very near future." Two weeks later they unsticky the announcement. Most recently Gabe Amatangelo said, So, now it's HK-51 or something in the Belsavis area. Really?! If I wanted a tap dancing lesson, Gabe, i would take a class. This unending stream of mealymouthed, obfuscating language is unbearable. Get back to me, BioWare, when you are serious about sticking with what you say.

They've told us a lot of erroneous things.

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I agree with this completely. They did the same thing with Mass Effect. The Reapers were a right good cosmic horror antagonist. They couldn't just leave it at that, they had to throw in a space god, disguised as a translucent ghost child of your memory, to tell you that he/it controls the reapers and created them to cull organic beings like so many weeds. Now, with their new DLC, you'll go in search of another awesome-super-bad ex-Reaper who holds that McGuffin to stop the Reapers.

The war had tainted them, in the opinion of the Council. The Jedi would attempt to rehabilitate a Sith, but not a "tainted" Jedi? It was out of personal vendetta, a dark side trait, that the council sought to cut off their attachment to the force. So of course some are going to follow Revan instead, especially if they felt they did nothing wrong. The Council's vengeance would only further demonstrate the rightness of their actions. How then is the Council preparing for the coming storm by exorcising a third of their membership? Frankly that is no better than the Sith. The Sith will kill any force user that doesn't become Sith, or they'll kill them in the trials trying to become one. The Jedi were saying, you'll either obey the Council or you'll be cutoff from the force. Revan was wrong to pursue it alone, I'll give you that, but Council wasn't being very reasonable.

Can we at least agree the Council though wrongly that the Mandalorians would give up their plans? So, let's look at your stated reasons one by one. They say something for more dangerous lurking out there and wanted to preserve the Order in preparation for the coming storm. So, was the Order going to hide out in their temple and then face the coming storm alone after every core world was in the hands of the Mandalorians, or was "scorched". What would there be left to defend? They still would have had to fight the Mandalorians at that point, because undefeated, they would have aligned with the Sith and wiped out the Order anyway. Or, without the aid of the Sith, and with no Republic military to aid them, the Mandalorians could have lay siege the Jedi Temple and killed everyone. So, your next conjecture is that they believed that many Jedi would fall to the darkside. All the more reason for the Order to engage as a cohesive unit. By letting billions die they demonstrated a complete reversal of Jedi teachings, one that was confusing to its adherents. If they thought something bigger was on the horizon, they should have acted quickly to dispense the immediate threat. Had the Council acted as a unified force, taking the Republic military into action against the Mandalorians immediately and before they suffered the setback they'd suffered from Jedi inaction, then the Jedi who finally broke with the Order wouldn't have had to fight from a disadvantaged position. This meant they were already compromised from the split and acting more aggressively than usual to overcome the odds. A unified Order may have provided the necessary support to keep Jedi from falling Then, to top it all off, rather than forgive, and unify the order after the war, the haughty Council lashed out at the returning Jedi and attempted to disfellowship and publicly humiliate them. This obviously didn't go over well with the veteran Republic military who had fought with them, which caused a further rift, one which split the Republic forces allegiances. None of them, Vrook, Vandar, Atris (who fell to the dark side herself) ever acknowledged any wrong doing. So in the end, the Councils arrogance caused the exact chain of events they sought to avoid. Ironic, no?

I agree with your points. I would add, and argue that Bastilla was not working autonously but was completing her mission. You begin KOTOR memory wiped on her ship (as you later find out). You were likely being returned to Dantooine when that ship was intercepted. There may have even been some unnamed Jedi Counselor onboard who was killed in the fighting that responsible for your mind alteration. Malak caught up to Bastilla's ship before it could return. After Revan (the player) rescues her on Taris, without his memory or Jedi abilities no less, she convinces him that the best course of action is go where she had originally planned to take her anyway. Vrook and Vander were waiting there to receive you and complete the transformation, after all, that was the location of one of the Star Forge maps that you would need to "find" in order to retrace your steps, and lead the Republic to your super weapon. I hate this whole thing about the Sith Empire though. The story got way out of hand because of KOTOR II. It was better when Revan had just been corrupted by the Infinite Empire's technology.

No, the Jedi Order was not being bullied. They were being challenged. They refused the challenge and watched as the bully savagely beat up one kid after another. It is the Jedi Orders job to defend the Republic and they failed to do that. Guardians of Peace and Justice, or sanctimonious ritualists?

No man is an island. You can't just willy nilly put the onus on Revan, without, as you say, considering all sides of the argument. I accept you are attempting to speculate the reasons for the Council's approach. What we do know is that the council let worlds burn in order to maintain a pacifist approach. This, to me, seems contrary to the Jedi Order's reason for being. The Jedi are not pacifists. They are monastic military order, and one of their primary tenants to is to react to aggressors. It is also to serve the Republic. So when the Senate asks you to do your job as leaders of men and take the Republic's military forces in to battle against a hyper-aggressive warrior culture enemy that is slaughtering billions of lives, I believe it is immoral to refuse. The Republic, in their minds, had no choice but to fight the Mandalorians. So, without the Orders help, they suffered major defeats, as Canderous relays to you. Had Revan, and the rest of the Jedi, listened to the Order, the Republic forces would have eventually been obliterated. Then, not only would the Order then be vulnerable to direct attack by the Mandalorians, the Republic would have been open for attack by the Sith. It's a complete lose-lose situation all around. So, even with Revan and 1/3 of the order deciding to defy the Council, they were still an inferior force that had suffered major setbacks. That forced Revan to act more aggressively to win, which compromised him. Had the Council not neglected their duty, it is likely the unified order would have stood a much better chance, and Revan's corruption, along with others, would not have happened. All I'm saying is, you cannot remove the Council's inaction from the equation. They are just as culpable in the resulting civil war as Revan was.

Yes, it is like the schoolyard bully, but in this case the teacher just sits and has a sandwich while kid after kid is pummeled because the teacher believes violence is wrong, and if he/she does nothing, maybe the bully will stop.

That's of course purely speculation on your part, but I can hardly believe you could write it with a straight face. Canderous is clear in his commentary to the player that they would not be denied a fight. They razed world after world to provoke it. So by ignoring them the Jedi Council let those people die in order to pursue their pacifism. That makes them no better than Revan, who, as Canderous said, fortified worlds at the cost of others. Revan had to use unorthodox tactics because he was operating from an almost insurgent position. He had to break the will the of the Mandalorians to fight, which he did. He may not have had to do that, had the Council reacted to the first worlds attacked. Any maneuver by the Jedi would by any standard be considered a defensive action, since the Mandalorians attacked into the Republic. The truth is the Council had grown fat and weak, just like they had under Yoda. They were unwilling to face the threat head on, and preferred to hide out in their temple, too concerned with their dogmas and their rituals; long forgetting their duty to protect the Republic.

Maybe if the Council had put the full weight of the order into battle against the Mandalorians then Revan would never have had to lead a third of them away. There would never be a schism in the Jedi Order and Reven wouldn't have needed to flee from the Council who was bent on taking out their frustration on the returning Jedi, when it was the council who had been derelict in their duty to protect the Republic. Vrook never acknowledged or apologized for his role in the whole mess. His hubris to the end was most un-Jedi-like. Revan made mistakes, he was corrupted by the technology of the Infinite Empire, but that could have all been avoided if the Council had not be so insistent on inaction.

So what you are saying is, then OP, is that it was right to let the Mandalorians burn world after world and take no action against them? "Oh, we see a dark omen in the force, let the Mandalorians destroy world after world." Maybe if the council had acted, as was their duty to the Senate, then there wouldn't have been a schism in the Jedi Order and the Mandalorians would have been stopped and the Republic would have still be relatively strong. Don't put it all on Revan. Had the Council had its way, there would have been no Republic to defend against the Sith Empire.

Wow, that was about a horrible synopsis of KOTOR. First, it is the Jedi Council who should have been punished. Did you call Revan "disrupter of the peace?" The Mandalorians ravaged Onderon. The Republic wanted to marshal against them, and the Jedi Order, who are supposed to be answerable to the Senate refused to help. Because the Mandalorians were looking for a fight with the Jedi, there inaction incensed them and the next world they attacked they burned even harder. Still, the Jedi Order refused to act on the Senate's request for aid and ignored the problem hoping to meditate it away. Revan decided he'd had enough. As a Jedi he was sworn to protect the innocent, and in my opinion had every right to disobey an obviously corrupt council who refused to take action despite Senate pleas. He didn't just lead a few impressionable Jedi he lead a third or more of the order who, like he, saw the injustice in the Council's inaction. Had the Jedi Order acted properly, none of that would have happened, but instead, even after defeating the Mandalorians and sparing billions of lives, the haughty Council decides to take action against those who fought. Full unearned, self righteousness indignation, they turned their animus towards those members who returned to bravely face punishment. The Council was irrefutably wrong. It's Vrook who should have been imprisoned. So Revan escaped and ended up finding the Star Forge, which corrupted him. Then corrupted by the technology of the infinite empire he returned to wage war against the Jedi who had refused to help him. Also Bastilla brought Revan back to the Council in exile on Dantooine AS ORDERED. It was her mission to wipe his memory and turn him into a weapon to fight the Sith. More Jedi Council subterfuge. Remember you (the player Revan) are travelling aboard Bastilla's ship. They are returning to Dantooine when her ship is intercepted. After Revan rescued poor little Bastilla, without his Jedi abilities or his memory, she convinced him the best course of action was to go where she had planned to take him anyway.

1) Customization. More orange gear, cheaper costs for removing internal components, set bonuses attached to armoring. Or, the coveted appearance tab. 2) Mini Games Pazzak and Swoop Racing. 3) Companion "hide head slot" and "color matching".

YOU just completed it, or you had another character helping you to complete it. There is a difference.

This is largely because they refuse to carefully study what made WoW successful. It wasn't just more accessible content, though that was part of it. The internet was really just beginning to boom across the country, and a whole new influx of player hit when WoW was the most successful model. What many of these companies think today is, I just have to mimic WoW's mechanics, which most do poorly, and the money will flow like honey. No BioWare, if you build it, they will not come. They have to be enticed to come, you have to make an innovative product if you want market share. Otherwise, you are, exactly what you are, another giant launch day of box sales and the a downward trajectory of subscriptions until the game goes free-to-play. World of Warcraft is an anvil that has worn many hammers. The hammers lay strewn across the floor, but the anvil remains.

^^ This. You win 10 internets.

More tap-dancing bollocks. BioWare, with EA's help I have no doubt, ignored what the customer wanted to their own peril. They thought they knew better. WoW is still a subscription based and still has more subs than TOR, Pete, riddle me that? Yes, the market has changed, they expect more out of game than they used to, and BioWare failed to deliver it. What's the COO going to say anyway. "Yeah, the games crap, we're hemorrhaging money and we need to plug that sucking chest wound with a cash shop." No, he is not likely to say that.

From MMORPG.com interview: I asked (Jeff Hickman) if HK51 would then be free for everyone, if he came before the F2P launch, and Jeff said they really haven't decided because they're not even sure when he's going to launch just yet. The goal is to work on the content and get it out as soon as they can, and if some comes after the F2P transition, then they'll evaluate what is free and what is paid. So while HK-51 has not been scrapped, nobody seems to know when he will make an appearance. So BioWare does it again with a big reveal on July 16th, and 15 days later, they are talking about not knowinb when HK-51 will come out. Aug 16th there is another video, and this one talks about Cathar and Makeb, but nary a mention of HK-51. Then another interview on the 18th with the executive Producer at Gamescom that has no talk of HK-51, but certainly insulation of charging subscribers for Makeb. No, I'm sure HK-51 hasn't been "scrapped' because I'm quite sure his quest chains have been in game as long as his voice dialog, but apparently, starting with the removing the stickied post about him, HK-51 has been put in the corner, my speculation being he'll be the marque money-getter in the new F2P model.